on the motion? if not, we can take it to a vote? >> and you can vote it up or down? >> yes. >> and two weeks. >> yes. >> yes, the..., go ahead. >> the owner of la oficina has to understand that he cannot have any live entertainment while this is occurring. >> good point. >> until the permit is granted. he understands that, right? >> okay. >> i would like to see it continued more than two weeks. >> more than two weeks? >> personally. >> but, i, do they have a juke box? >> could you guys come up and we have a couple more questions. and i will take in a second. >> so, the question is do you have a juke box?

>> they do have a juke box. >> they do. >> commissioner akers? >> so the risk that we run is that if we do it longer than two weeks, once they hit 45 days, they get the permit no matter what. >> start pushing it out. then 30 days would be the max that we would... with the wiggle room on this. >> so it is better to grant the permit with conditions that are strong and enforcable, than to continue continue continue it out. because they will get it without any conditions. at that point. >> so the two weeks, gives us some time to see what has happened. right? when they come in two weeks? >> right? >> in other words, so if we go too long. >> if it goes to 45 days they automatically get the permit and so it is up to the neighbors to really get it together and to meet with these people to really get this thing over with and we like to do it in two weeks, if you don't

thifrpg that it could be done in two weeks, you know you are getting closer to that 45 days and so you know, we need to make a decision. >> if we don't do it in two weeks, we could continue in that meeting and it just means that time line and window closes, but i agree with the commissioner joseph i think that we commission the hell out of this so when the entertainment to the very restricted hours and times and noise levels. so let's see what we can accomplish in that time if this motion passes. >> commissioner hyde do you have anything else to say? >> no. >> and so can we bring this to a vote? >> yes. >> okay on the motion to continue for two weeks which will be the next meeting on february fourth? >> that is the motion, commissioner akers? >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> josephs? >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> president tan. >> aye. >> so, to continue for two weeks to february 4th. >> so the motion is continued until february fourth, and thank you, commissioner hyde

for offering up your negotiation and mitigation services immediatation. >> and so we are going to move on and i know that the next item needs to be moved to be continued originally it was agendaized and so do you have anything to say. >> i think that i wanted to mention that ramsey hanna has been to the hearing on the 16th and he is waiting to find out what the determination will be because he has inherited a permit that has no entertainment and you guys do need to make a motion to continue it. >> okay. thank you. >> i move to continue that item. >> i will second.

>> on the let's take this to a vote. >> all right, on the motion to continue, commissioner akers >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> jaef. >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> tan. >> aye. >> so moved. >> and all right that took longer than i thought that it would, let's move on to item seven and so item seven is discussion and possible action on charter section 10 b of the san francisco administrative code around fees, for special events, and so we have had item and a presentation from the police department, and at our last meeting and i believe that we did not have a chance to sort of take any formal action, if we wanted to, and on it or a lengthy discussion, othis is just a opportunity for the commissioners to talk it out more and if there is a motion, please formulate that and present that, and if not, we

will just entertain a couple of comments, and we will move on. >> this was to the commissioner to my right and so do you have anything to say commissioner hyde? >> one of the reasons to have the conversation is that it came to the hearing and a lot of people showed up and they feel that they are constituents and they feel that they are coming to us i know that we don't have the ability to chance or regulate ten b but i think that the reason that i would like to have a discussion here, is to see if the commission can in some way help to find the help that they need

by requesting that the board of supervisors as a neighborhood representative, there are hardly ever types when the representatives come here and they are having a problem and it is a problem that for them to be able to have entertainment that is community building, and if we don't help on this basic level, i don't see how we can move on, and do it on with con stit ent on a level that are not getting community support and that is one of the reasons that i feel very passionate about this, and asking the supervisors for a report and maybe looking into ways to continuing to help

heritage and events that create culture in our city to remain viable. >> commissioner joseph? >> i have a suggestion, i think that it would be more productive to ask the staff to contact the police commission have this item heard before the police commission as opposed to going, i think that it is like putting the cart before the horse going to the supervisor and i don't think that it is going to kick it back to them any way. i think that we just go directly to the police commission and ask them to do something about it. before the sburps get involved and they could say no to us. and and it was on a different day than we are and i think that we could attend. and i mean that is just my idea and i think that they regulate the police department.

more so, than like, the board of supervisors, who may or may not take this up, and it might feel like interference to them where the police commissioner that is actually i think it is their job to do this. and that is my suggestion. >> in the program has been around for so long. in general it is necessary, we do need to ten b as a small business situation and a non-profit situation and it could be costly, and my thing is that if they could look into possibly you know, you know there is something, that i think in the legislation that says, that the max, and the two weeks that they allow the two weeks before the event to give them the final, how many ten b officers and in my opinion, i think that a little too short, if we could get a a little bit,

like the extent and i have not done an event so long and i mean if it is even 60 days if there is a question and they have time for due process, to appeal it or ask why do they need so many ten bs and that is all that i am thinking and you know another thing is this, ten b is a voluntary situation and. it was up for review for some changes. and it sounds like a logical first step and because there are issues and just clarification and just volunteering, and they are getting paid so they are volunteering and have the first

right of refusal and so i am curious as to why the sheriff's department is not utilized more? and or, it sounds like what we heard from the community, was that there was some real arbitrary ten b mandates on, and i am thinking the players. >> united players group and some other people being told three days, before their event that they had to have ten b. and so, and i heard the complaints from the people in local 16 about the ten b, program. and i think that it is something that is worth us bringing up. >> you know, and then in my opinion, i think that if they know that they only get two weeks before the date. and you know they will wait two weeks because they are busy. >> yeah. >> they are bus and they are busy, but if they know that they have to come up with a number, 90 days, or 60 days, i don't know what, you know what we can talk about.

that. >> it sounds like though, they will have the leniency to say it three days before the event and even though that they said that you know there has to be some of the things that contradict it and it was more like well, this is kind of the general, and we have cart blanche as to whether it has to make the ten b officers or not and whether it will be outside or not and whether they will serve alcohol or not. and whether there is going to be live music or not, and none of that, and it seemed a little arbitrary, and we need more clarification, i think that for the sake of time and everything, i think that i would suggest the commissioner hyde formulate a ask, should be put forth by staff to the police commissioner to see if

they will take this up, and there is a lot of things that they can discuss the cost of ten b and the time of ten b and the admin fees and whatever, but you formulate that and you take it to the staff and you have them approach the police commission and see if they will do it or not. and then go from there. >> and that is really what i think is the only way to do it. >> barbara is the expert. >> i think that is a really good idea to take it before the police commission and just a comment on the sheriff's, they don't do patrol in the san francisco, and they are in charge of the jails and transportation of prisoners and so, that is probably why they are not utilized for ten b.

>> i wanted to be sure that is why the commission was not behind and that is why i wanted to have the public discussion. i think that there is a discussion on the table that let's direct them to approach the commission and i don't know that we need a motion for that. >> do we? >> do you know? >> i think that we do. we could and it could just be on the record as that. any other last comments? if not, i will open it up to the public? any other comment on ten b, do you want to come up? >> good evening, commissioners and president tan. and feeling a lot better than

the last time that i spoke here. and i just wanted to read into the record cmac's updated position on this issue, once again, we want to thank commissioner hide for bringing this up in the first place, and a year ago, steve asserted in the examine room that the sfpd was under going a staffing shortage and that the department is concerned about the reduction in officers. and sense that statement, this has been repeated, by officers, in the officials at the community meetings throughout the city. and while we agree that the department assurance that the staffing deficit has not affected the public safety, cmac is concerned that the shortage may be effecting the ten b program itself. the potential drop off in the availability is coupled with the raising ten b costs born exclusively by the event producers. and the issue has contributed to the demise of more than a half a dozen annual music festivals in the last three

years alone, costing the city, jobs and revenue and cultural institutions what can be done to help the sfpd, overcome the shortage and it is time for a public conversation about the ten b program and so that solutions can be discussed to help the sfb pd to help this challenge and they want to help and leave that with the heavy summer festival about to begin and the time is ripe for an exchange of ideas and we ask that the entertainment commission, recommend that this issue be brought before the board of supervisors for a appropriate review. >> great. thank you. >> thank you. >> and okay. >> thank you. >> all right. we don't have to take a motion, but i am happy to entertain one. >> thank you. >> and i don't know that there is any more. >> and you could say pretty please? >> all right. so, the comments are on the record, and i think that we would like to see the police

commission and if the staff could approach them to actually have a hearing about this, related to affordability, time, timing, and just how they administer their entire program. >> and i would like to add that if that does the happen, we could approach the board of supervisors who also might say no, but... >> all right. then, the people rally in the streets. >> and okay. so, if there is no further comments, we will move on to item 8. and which is general commissioner comments and questions. >> so, anyone want to say anything out of the blue? >> welcome to the staff. we have missed having a person out there in the streets. so welcome. >> yeah, welcome. >> all right.

any public comment. >> no. >> moving to nine. >> new business request. >> i have a request, not next meeting but possibly in two meetings i would like the agenda and us to agendaize late night transit. >> in the city. >> and to have the mta come? >> have the mta come. and have a member supervisor's weiner's office come as well and since i think that they are going to try to carry the legislation or do something about it and i think that it is important for us as commissioners to do some homework on this with the pros and cons of late night transit with regard to the industry that we regulate. >> thank you. >> i am done. >> great, any other future agenda items? >> you know, ways thinking

about the plastic water bottle and no more water bottles and i was just wondering if there was some way that we could get, an idea of how to be a more green industry. i just recently, you know, took an environmental geology course. it has me freaked out. you know, there is just so much plastic in the world and there is so little water left for us to drink and if we could be a more responsible and we could help that i would appreciate that. >> so the big, some of the big festivals are working on that. and since, the plastic water bottle ban is probably not workable. >> for some of the really larger ones? and they are working on seeking combustible items like water bottle and so on and so forth and it is a work in progress. >> when they are finished, do you think that we could hear from them? >> it is going to be a month.

>> great. >> absolutely. >> great. >> so, at some point, in time, we will bring that up. any other future agenda items? otherwise, i will open it up to public comment. and i don't see any, so we will move on to just adjourning this meeting. >> have a good night, everyone. thank you.

i'm nicole and lindsey, i like the fresh air. when we sign up, it's always so gratifying. we want to be here. so i'm very excite ied to be here today. >> your volunteerism is appreciated most definitely. >> last year we were able to do 6,000 hours volunteering.

without that we can't survive. volunteering is really important because we can't do this. it's important to understand and a concept of learning how to take care of this park. we have almost a 160 acres in the district 10 area. >> it's fun to come out here. >> we have a park. it's better to take some of the stuff off the fences so people can look at the park. >> the street, every time, our friends. >> i think everybody should

give back. we are very fortunate. we are successful with the company and it's time to give back. it's a great place for us. the weather is nice. no rain. beautiful san francisco. >> it's a great way to be able to have fun and give back and walk away with a great feeling. for more opportunities we have volunteering every single day of the week. get in touch with the parks and recreation center so come hub.

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cleaning the water were. we offer free service to san good morning and happy new year. >> happy new year. go 9ers. all right. (clapping) well, thank you all for km i know there are symso many departments ease our newly scorn or sworn in actually 4 times sworn in and our fire department and mary from treasure island and our commissioners that have been sworn in and about to be sworn in. today is a great day where we've

got 44 appointees people who are upping upism in taking open this fantastic responsibility in representing our city in being what i have also said we need con did you notice to run this fantastic city. so i want to say thank you your recreation and parks department some 16 different bodies for our city and county of san francisco. and let's say it runs the gambling bit of how we manage a great city like san francisco. you've got people joining in the arts community and people joining in our bay adversities committee representing a community that i think we have to pay attention to and we'll up the ante on ourselves to do more.

you've got people in building inspection you've got folks that are going to top responsibility in fiscal entities, you've got advisory council committees and preference and people that are going to help us entertain more of our adversity and resident whether in the arts or treatment we've got folks for the oversight for the puck promise when they provide for money important the bonds we see that the projects get down, health care and housing, local business which is a big farther of ours because we want to promote more of the success of a local business we've got people coming

into help us and small business owner, of course, is treasure island. this is running the gambling bit of responsibilities our city has taken on i want to personally thank alleyway all 44 of you joining me not only will you help share in the from successes but the flag we get from the public and i need more people to share in that responsibility (laughter) but i also say thank god thank you too because f this is one of the greatest cities in the world and for you to take up personal time, personal effect and sacrificing sometimes with family and a friends is credible. this is what makes our city special. you look at all the city's and great cities it depend upon

their citizenry to bring out the best of our resident to hear and be those effective conduits. i'm going to ask you to pay attention to the responsibility you occur in our bodies of work but pay attention to issues looish like affordability and housing and people being hurt or the folks on the streets or the need to produce a better health plan and health care. all the things that make our city great no matter if you sit on entertainment or arts paying attention to the quality of life for everyone is important. for me it's about collaborating and you be thinking freely. this need not