and so the restorative practices team is posed and ready to form this task force and as soon as they know that that has been approved and that the group that we will be looking at the dispute process and helping us to analyze the feedback. >> so, thank you. >> yeah, that is great. i am glad that you are doing that and i would be interested to know if that task force potentially will have a broader mandate will they be involved with other efforts that we have or monitoring other work that may or may not be happening in the future around this issue or that is already currently happening in the district and do we envision that as that and so, if so, this seems like this particular piece of it is potentially make for a longer conversation, and for the board or be involved in a further conversation that we are going to have around the restorative practices work on february 4th. and so, so i will be interested to hear if that is the vision for this and would it have a

more narrow mandate around this particular function. and we are making it up to me, and so, it could be as broad as we want it to be and i think that it is a task force that we should utilize as effectively as we can in areas and looking at things that need to be looked at through the restorative lens and i think that it is classroom discipline and referrals and with the police and i think that we can definitely utilize the restorative practice folks in as much of us kind of processing these events as they happen and i think that as the police come on to campus and the situation arise and it makes the people very anxious and it needs to be processed, and you need these kind of people that have been trained and allowing the people to express how they were harmed by the incident or how they felt about the incident and to be healed by that and i think that they are the right people to do that in a number of

circumstances not just when it belongs to situations involving sfpd and so gri that we can expand that. >> and so i can comment on this particular. thank you. because i did have a question, in regarding this. and i just, i just want to be a bit, i want to be careful. i want to be careful, first of all, in regard to the mlu, and in regard to what we are asking people to do. and particularly regarding our or the people that we are that we have working around us with the restorative practice and i want them to focus on the work that they do and i want this lens placed on those task force and it makes sense because this is the way that we are approaching, this type of work. and i also wanted to be really clear that this is not and i believe that this needs to start narrowly, and really focus on the matter at hand

which is the mlu and it is the feedback and disputes related to the sro program and i think that we need to keep it there and work on that in developing that fully. and i would like us to consider, which i didn't see here, employing the guidance from the office of citizen's complaints because that is what they do in regards to dealing with officers and things that don't go right with the community. and how they deal with particularly youth issues. and what guidance we can get from them, because they have guided us before, on some of these matters and so let's, go to them first, it is also a part of putting something like this together. and that is just, to comment on the task force. and getting the right people at the table. and so, we do the correct things off the bat. and also, their level of respect in the community, and also from sfpd, and it is well

known, so let's start that way and just not vicariously. >> did you get all of that? >> and you are amazing. >> and i just have one last comment. >> really? >> kelley's comments earlier regarding the mutual respect and i want to say this publicly because i went over to mr. kelley during our meeting and item 21, it talks about the language of mutual respect. and the second paragraph says that the sfpd's rules of conduct in parenthesis, 2.01 section 14, and is attached here too, demands that members of sfpd treats all people with respect and that sfpd will take the action to reduce the inappropriate language to students or the school staff. such rules of conduct apply at

all times including during an arrest or investigation. so i just pointed that out to mr. kelley but i also want to comment it out since he commented publicly to the broader listening audience and that is my expectation that they will follow the rules of conduct regarding a level of respect from the students and school staff. >> thank you. >> commissioner wynns? >> thank you. >> i talked to mr. true man about this before, and i just want to for the record talk a little bit about the did was about the arrests on the school campuses which is section 16 and according to mr. which is undoubtly true it has not changed from the earlier mlus

and so i am doing this only for the record and i am not going to object to it. as we move forward i would like, and we would have it and i would like to have it and i would like to know how many times are arrested in schools, and if any of those arrests are for things that don't happen in schools. and because basically our idea that there should not be any

arrests in schools, for something that happens outside of the schools. unless i would like us to pay attention to this and about whether how that standard is working and what the results are by telling us. and the things that happened outside of school. one of our we have had to do it

and we have the police department, about if the purchase and it is part of the police department's community policing strategies and it is supposed to be about establishing it. and changing some of the perceptions of the police out in the community, and perceptions of the community, it seems to not look at schools as a place where we can get kids and they may want to arrest for some reason. and so i just wanted to say that and hope that we can get some reporting on that. thanks for the work. i know this was a huge amount of work. >> there was a five and this is

following, and it says it is an added this is actually... the student from a classroom and then it gives the exact same things that are here. and so, that was addendum that was added to the mlu. and as if i said july fifth of 2005, after if the arrest is not reasonable and given the considerations or the summons of students should be made at another time or place and also with the reports on section four, one of the things that it does that the last mlu that as

far as i can recall i suggested that we do it three times a year, and we can have it before the end of the semester summary of this is where we are right now in november and in march you would anticipate another one and at the end of the year and this is happened all school year and there would be opportunities throughout the year and get a pulse point and say here is the data this spells out the reports in a much more detailed way than we have in the past and i don't remember giving a report about

the arrests on campus. and i do know that in the past couple of years that we do having been going over this our own data, and warning and our internal data and it will be interesting because i need to find out why that does not match up. so this will help us to understand that better. >> so, kevin, under the mlu and it was commissioner wynns say that our police officers are allowed to come in and arrest students for something they allegedly did off of the school campus? >> could they? , sure. should they, should they follow this? this is what is going to be read out. at their individual stations as part of their orders of operations and what is mode that i am looking for and your husband is an officer and what they are told of the station's

directives. general orders. so, that apart of the general orders just like it is part of the regulation and the direction that we give and so they should not, and they should follow this, and especially because it has been spelled out for them, and could they. and under, and i am not, and >> i believe that the police department, also had a general order, pertaining to questioning of students. and also, arresting the students on school grounds and i believe that i red a copy of that at one time and it would be interesting to find out i had a copy of it and maybe we could so, just to understand what their general orders say, about arresting on school grounds and interviewing students without the parents permission and that would be great to see what their orders are thank you. if i am looking, sorry

president. fewer. >> and in looking at the version that i had at home, which is about all of my notes on it. and in this section, 16, which is the arrests on school campuses. and quite a bit of a language, would which looks to me like maybe the section that sfpd puts in because it talks about the penal code and i am talking

considering as sort of their general orders because it is no longer here. >> there are two paragraphs that are taken out saying that you should when you are arresting a student, you should not basically pull them from class. unless there is an imminent threat and you have to do that and in the event that you do have to, violate that rule, or go against the prescribed orders, that you justify why did you have to do it that way? and so in your report, and in your arrest you would say the reason that this happened, we had a situation actually recently where a student was actually where the police informed a school that tomorrow we will be arresting a student on campus, but we have looked

for this student, and every address that we have, and it is for a serious crime. and we are not able to locate this student in any of the areas, or any of the addresses where he has ever lived, so we are going to be doing this tomorrow at school and that was communicated to the administration and allowed to take place at school. but, there was justification given to the administration to anticipate that this will be happening and they could summon the student to the principal's office and conduct it there away from the students? so they arranged it and it happened at school and should not have been but they did the, you know, they discussion with the student to alert the school staff that it would take place before. so that is, and they have just excised that thinking that it is not language, and they are actually needs to be here. so in our further discussions,

the question is, you know, really to what jill, or commissioner wynns has said but also what we know in our time frame here on the board is our when that happens, is that because we are now followed, and they are really following our rules that we have set up via what happened to thurgood. >> yeah, they are and it is sufficient. >> you are saying that information is sufficient? >> yes. >> so, maybe my copy is different. s because i don't have that 2005, date in here. >> oh, no. >> and or referenced in here. i have something older. and i am looking for that reference. >> you have something from this weekend and i am going back to a document which is the original one signed by ar lean and so what i am looking for is a confirmation that that is what is going to be done and somehow referenced in here.

so if we are no longer present someone can say that is why it is here and that is why this rule exists because that have and they can point to it. does that make sense? >> no. i am not understanding because this arrest on school campus that you see, used to be an extra page added on to the 2005, and it was separately signed and dated on a different date, and signed. as an amendment to the original mlu. but it was separately signed and added as an addendum and we condensed that and put it in section 16 and so that is where 2 lives right now and so the language is pretty much the same. >> and it is what satisfies, and this, and this language is okay with our legal, and their legal, and this is not one that we made or had any, and i know that is the most important section and the section that people were drawn to. but i think that we are okay

with this. and it was just the objection if there was, or if this section was out of whack you would have heard it. >> i am not super okay with this. and i am looking for some of our own documents or something that points to our document and why it is this and so it is not important to me to have a resolution tonight on it. but i would like to make certain that i work or hear from our legal department on what can be done to improve it. and make it, sorry it just seems a bit vague and hopeful that these things are going to happen and i want something that is a lot more concrete. >> did you guys get something to say? >> i don't have to prolong this conversation, but commissioner maufas, if you are thinking that there will be additional changes made to bring this in

line to what you are offering today? you know, that could be done, if this, and if this is passed and then the guidance is come back to us with the explanation of this particular section, and it was, and it could be modified at any time and just be amended version, but you can take action on the mlu tonight, or if this is, and if this is a show shopper, the board will have to decide that it is in fact a show stoper and then i would suggest that we get it in a form that you are comfortable with and bring it back in that form and so those are kind of the two options. >> so if i make the comments it is not a show shop stoper, but we have enough amendments that i am hopeful that this does not take months to get the amendments approved in a document and it has been amended and sent to the board to review once more and it is off to the signatures.

>> i am not trying to stop our vote tonight, but i think that i have seen enough amendments here that you know, dow notes some serious action right away before we get the signatures and get it back to the board to look at. >> i want to make sure that i understand what you are saying, several amendments have been made and you want to see a red line version of that as it exist to make sure that everything that was incorporated tonight, and is in fact in the document, before it goes out for file signature. >> right. >> i can vote to support, with these amendments. >> being made. >> if it proves that something goes arye, i would ask the president or the board leadership with the superintendent to bring this back to the board. >> okay. >> it would happen any way. >> okay. that sounds like a que for a board vote. >> yes, thank you. >> with the policy, as amended,myser fewer? >> yes. >> mr. haney?

>> yes. >> maufas? >> yes. >> mendoza-mcdonnell. >> yes. >> dr. murase? >> aye. >> miss norton. >> yes. >> and miss wynns. >> aye. >> seven ayes. >> thank you. >> thank you. kevin. >> item q, superintendent proposals first reading, and a motion and a second? >> so moved. >> second. >> okay. this is going to be referred to the committee of the whole being held on january 21st, board members proposal and none tonight the board members reports, already reported on the committee of the whole and the discovery of the 9, no,dy not . i want to report of the next meeting. i can't, this was december 9, 2013. >> it was... >> just say that we talked

about the... >> so, we talked about it. we had a lengthy conversation on it and i am sure that it was just so interested, and the report for the augmented budget and business services committee december 11th? >> commissioner wynns? >> yeah, i leave this to you commissioner wynns? >> okay. sorry. it was a while ago. >> december 11th, after school. >> did we actually have that meeting? >> i think that we did, ways not there though. >> i am sorry, i can't. >> that is all right. >> pull that, actually. >> so how about a report from the committee of the whole january 7, 2014. which was last week, you think that i would remember that?

i do and i already commentsed on that, that is right. and so, item t. report of the closed actions. >> sorry, president fewer, under board members reports, i just wanted to i didn't have an opportunity to give any remarks at the beginning, my colleagues for supporting me, you know, in the leadership position and i wanted to acknowledge and i think that it is appropriate to acknowledge the outgoing president, norton for the leadership this past year, and for vice president's leadership and the two of them and i have to confess that i gave the leadership a hard time about the five additional retreat meetings that we had, to build the relationships among the board members. but i will be the first to say

that it has been very valuable to the board. and in terms of building the relationships and trust. and i want to thank, in particular, president norton, for her service and to recognize incoming president, fewer for her leadership. >> item t, report of closed session actions, closed section january 7, 2014, the board of education approved the expulsion of one high school student. >> excuse me. >> oh,, i thought that it was uppeder the other information items? no no. okay. >> our reports so sorry. information maufas. >> i will certainly defer to after you finish reading. >> i will call on you right after the finish that. es and the san francisco

unified school district, case, 2013120004, the board of education by a vote of 8 alicia wintersteins and one absent wynns, gives the authority of the district to pay up to a stipulate you lated amount in the matter of eh verses san francisco school district, case, 2013120112, the board of education by a vote of 6 ayes and one absent wynns give the authorities to pay up to a stipulated amount. now commissioner maufas, i believes that a report. >> yes. i am sorry, i just wanted to report that i attended the five key's winter graduation and it was just again wonderful. and it again, is just so hard warm and fulfilling for me as a school board member and just to let them know that they all have, and you all have care so much about the five keys and the work that they do there and the students graduating. and just the students stories throughout the ceremony, are truly wonderful to hear them tell their own story and speak

their own truth during their graduation and how they got to that moment, and which families are so grateful to have happen. and you can just see that and hear that in the voice and in the cheers of their graduates. and so i just wanted to congratulate the graduate and congratulate you, and the executive director steve good and all of the command staff and teachers and family that support those graduates in getting to that wonderful day. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner maufas, that is always a wonderful event to attend, item u, information items posted agenda. posted is the staff report on the acceptance of gift from the month of november, 2013. the meeting is adjourned.