gotten two complaints regarding bars or clubs in the area, one was the cafe royal and 800 post and a noise complaint and blocking the sidewalk, they determined that the sidewalk was blocked but did not feel that the noise was accessive for the evening as far as for what was going on the night life. and however, one thing that i did check the conditions, and it says that there shall be no noise coming from the club. and the other one was jones, and that is 620 jones and i received an e-mail complaint that noise had gotten worse in the last three weeks. and i ask askeded the complaint to describe what the noise complaints were and i have not heard back and we are going back and forth on the e-mail and i did check the cads for that area and i have not seen a lot for the last three weeks. and so, i think that once i get more information, as far as what the actual noise complaints and then i will have more information for you. any questions or complaints? >> i have got,...

on the cbd in the meetings, i guess, you are part of those meetings when they have the discussions about adding more security for the side? you know for the outside of the clubs you know to assist with, you know, so they don't, they can help out without, having the cops, you know, always there. >> yeah, we have been in the talks, from the beginning, that was, and it was not just the businesses, and it was just very nice to have the community and the police and the da's office. and even the sheriff's department, in the beginning, working together. and so we still have a dialogue with that. and i would say working with the clubs and letting them know kind of what we expect if they are going to have a large event we expect them to let us know. and we also expect them to be able to contain either hiring more security, or making sure, you know, if the services are going to be an issue, pull the bottle service, that is a business decision that they will have to make if they make the wrong decision,

>> what about the two security guards that they had before and that was walking the beat on broad way are there still there. >> the private security? >> yeah. >> i think that they are still going and they are still. >> is that going to be kind of ongoing. >> it is still ongoing? >> yes. >> okay. that is all i got. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and is there any public comment, on the police reports? >> all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. and we will move on to item 6 when is the hearing and possible action regarding the permit applications and i will hand it over for the deputy commissioner. >> thank you, very much commissioner, and mr. president tan and commissioners we have actually two items that were agendaized for tonight, the first one is jose escolero

doing business as la oficina and 4234 and mission street, and he requesting a entertainment permit. and would like to provide entertainment there was been a permit there since 1988 and so it is something that he would like to continue. and he is limited with english, but he has brought along blanca who will help him and so you can come on up. >> i wanted to mention that there are neighborhood concerns about it and i have given you some letters that would be in your binder. and also, the station has provided recommendation and there are a couple of them that you would want to pay attention to and one and two, one limits the time of entertainment. and two, limits the time that alcohol can be served and i am not exactly sure if that is something that this commission can dictate. and then, also, maybe since alu is here they might want to explain, abc 257 and we do have the abc permit here and however, there are conditions on that permit that i have not

seen, we only have the actual permit and it says seven conditions. that is something that you guys can discuss. >> hello everyone, my name is blanca and this is jose and he is the owner for 4234 mission street. >> he has been the owner for about four months now and he wants to continue the entertainment permit, and however, it says here from the station respectfully asks that the entertainment commission considers that when the days of live entertainment to friday and saturday, and in hours of live entertainment from 7:00 to 10 p.m. and they usually have live music.

they usually have music fridays and saturdays, it is from 9:00 to 1:00 a.m.. and he would like to continue with that. on his days off he would walk to the bar and drive to the bar to make sure that the street is clean and he has a sign outside for the low noise for the neighborhood and i know that it is a residential, and about 50 percent residential. he is always you know, looking out and making sure that everything and the noise is

well and he is always and on his days off and he would like to continue with the entertainment as far as the music. >> he is always aware of, you know, people that are intoxicated. he will make sure and he will call the security guard and call the cabs and make sure that everyone gets home safe. the bar has been there for 50 years. pretty much a neighborhood bar. pretty much on the look out to make sure that everything is fine as far as people getting home safe, cleans up the streets. and tries to make sure that people keep the noise down as far as the people leaving the bar and coming into the bar and he tries to follow, you know, all of the rules as much as he can.

>> as far as he is taken over the bar, the four months that he has been the owner of the bar and he has had no issues as far as the ambulance, incident and the police and you know, the people starting any, you know, situation outside of the bar. >> great, i think that we have some questions for you. let me just kick it off before i hand it to the other commissioners. and so aside from being a new owner, has there been any changes from the previous owner to now about how the type of entertainment or the, you know, the kind of hours that you are running the shows? >> he just tries to keep the noise and the music down, a bit.

and it is still the same entertainment as the previous owner. >> okay, great. >> i think that commissioner joseph had a question or two. >> and my first question is who filled out his application? >> it was one of the family members, it was james. >> and did they give that information that appears in this application? >> he is aware. >> he says under item three, he is going to have in-house security, is he aware that he has to register with the state

of california in order to do that and take, you know, does he, and could you ask him that? >> yes. >> they are licensed and he is aware of that. >> he is aware that he has to register? >> yes. >> i am curious to know if his or if there is no crowd problems, and the bar is, you know, on the really quite calm, why does he feel like he is going to do pat downs and back checks? why does he feel that he needs to do that? >> as far as checking people at the door? >> yeah, pat downs and bag checks is what it says here. >> okay. >> i am using his words. >> he said that they already do

it as part of the security guards, they pat people down just to check the bags. >> that was an ongoing process. >> yes. >> okay, great. >> and then if he has no designating smoking area, does he just assume that people are going to go to the curb and smoke? >> they just go outside to smoke, in front of the bar. he does not have a designated area to smoke, everyone just goes outside to smoke. >> all right and then there is a question that says, how will you deal with associated noise issues? and he wrote, we will control the music level. what about other issues like people making noise when they leave the bar? or, when they come to the bar? how does he intend on dealing with those issues?

>> he will just approach them nicely, you know, he will let them know to keep it down, because it is a neighborhood bar, you know, there are people living around the area and he will just tell them to leave, or he will call a cab for them. or if they are too intoxicated. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner hyde? and commissioner akers? >> so, four months you have owned the bar? four months? >> yes. >> and have these, or is this the first time that you have owned a bar? >> yes. >> okay. so, i just want to say, like, i heard try as much as he can, i

think in [ speaking in a foreign language ] all of the time, 100 percent, okay? because you have to take the neighborhood into consideration, and we are a denser city and it must be [ speaking in a foreign language ] always. to do it, no, you have to have your security patrolling. and then, it also said that you have not done any neighborhood out reach? okay. he has looking into that right now. he has had his clients and they have been coming there for 30 years. and pretty much reach out and bright letters to you guys. >> it is a new, it is a new

owner, correct? taking over a new job. and one of the biggest problems that the night life has is integrating into the neighborhood that surrounds it. and even though i heard at a meeting not related to this issue, that things are actually better as far as the teravel police new with the new owner. >> angelside. >> i always say the wrong one. the thing is to integrate a business, into a neighborhood, you have to do the community out reach. and that sets you up to do your best. and to be someone who is supported by the community. and allows you to work with them so that when changes are needed, that there are people there to support you in those changes, it is not just a punishment. >> so, that needs to happen, and that is really you know, for all of you, to have the

best benefits. okay? you can go to our website to find the neighborhood links in your area. >> that has to be done. >> okay. >> sure,. >> commissioner akers? >> how frequently do your bartenders refuse patron's alcohol, and stop serving them after they reach intoxication levels? >> conditions? >>

[ speaking in a foreign language ] >> they will just refuse to serve them alcohol, you know, they will give them coffee or water. >> how frequently? >> how often does that occur? >> [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> usually on the weekends. >> okay. >> and because some of the community complaints that we are looking at from the immediate neighbors is complaints about patrons urineating in the driveway and that implies that people are way overly intoxicated in or there is not enough access to the bathrooms or i am not sure what. have you been in direct communication with any of your neighbors about the complaints

that they are having with your patrons? how do you guys actively monitor your patrons outside of your building? >> they are coming from the other block, they are not leaving the bar.

>> he said that the security guard tries to patrol the area and makes sure that everyone is okay and he will clean up the cigar butts, that the people go outside and smoke. and he has tried to reach out to a few neighbors in the area, and but since he has been there, there has been one incident as far as he knows. >> one of the complaints is that there is a language barrier, with some of the neighbors who i guess are english speaking and that there is, and it is mono lingual spanish speaking staff and that is probably heightening the tension between you and the community next to you. so, what is your plan for addressing that, and what is your plan for addressing, because, it seems like these reports are more than one

incident of people vomiting and urineating in their doorway and they are blaming you, they are blaming your bar. so how do you plan to address that both of those? the language and the behavior of the patrons as they leave? >> his business parter speaks

english and he was going to have a meeting they are going to sit down and he could not be here today. they are going to try to do community out reach and you know, the neighbors, try to reach out to them and you know, i am just going to go over this with him after. but he plans on reaching over to his business partner. so providing a number to the neighbors where they can, or somebody who speaks english or if they can talk to, >> right. >> would you consider your bar, a neighborhood bar with regular patrons? , the same faces, the familiar faces that you see frequently? >> yes.

>> he considers it a neighborhood bar and it is open to everyone. >> so the complaints imply to me that people are being overly over served beyond enebriation in other words, they are shit-faced drunk, and so maybe building more relationships with your patron and talking about appropriate behavior outside of bart and putting up the signs and having the communication with your neighbors and trying to work with them because those types of nuisance can heighten people's annoyance with your bar so that even the sound becomes unbearable, do you see what i am saying? you need to start working with

all areas and making sure that you are responsible for cleaning up a certain amount of area outside of your door. so, >> yeah. 100 feet. so, i don't know if..., we have a good neighbor policy. >> we do. >> yeah, in spanish. >> and yeah. >> and yeah, because the phone is on, the good neighbor. >> are you aware of our good neighbor policy? have you seen that? >> just took over and he is trying to have the, and the old, owner he was good friends with the old owners and so she kind of, you know, they have been talking and she kind of

explained to him, you know, she was there for about 30 years, so, they have had a little talk. >> commissioners, if i may interject. the good neighbor policy is a part of every permit because he has not been granted a permit, he may not have a copy, like a recent copy, we just recently had it translated into spanish that he will get a copy of. >> the neighbors have the contact information here and can you set up the time to actually speak with them and see how you can eliminate some of those problems? >> he is willing to meet up with them, and speak to them, you know, about the issue. >> okay, great. >> commissioner joseph?

>> i just want to, you said that he was good friends with the old owner. and then he has never owned a bar before,; is that correct?? >> yeah. >> so, please correct me if i am wrong, but isn't it true that the old owner was brought before us, because of the neighbor complaints? and they were quite extensive, everything, you know? and we had the old owner before us here, and he was very arrogant about his and he believed that he had a right to play music as loud as he wanted or to do, and my recollections are that that was true? >> well, so i can speak to him and having them in front of you, and it looks like we asked them to appear on february 28th, 2012, and as far as the demeanor, i can't remember. >> okay. >> i apologize, i have to look at the video. >> so, if his experience in running this bar, is the way

that the old owner ran it, then there is a problem. and you know, this commission always thinks that a new owner is like a fresh start. it is a new way of communicating to the neighborhood. it is a new way of operating the business. it is something new and different, someone could look forward to change. but, if his experience and since he has no experience running a bar, and if his only experience running this bar was the behavior of the old owner, then i have reservations about his ability to run the bar. so, i would like him to tell me, how he is going to operate it differently than the old owner operated it. and i hear you saying that he is going to try to do this and try to do that but i think, he has to say, what he is actually going to do. not what he is going to try to

do. what district is this? >> is this in eleven? >> okay. >> he is trying to keep it more organized as far as his employees and staff, and bartenders and he said that

maybe in the near future he will get another security guard just to have, you know, more, another security guard, and maybe one inside and one outside, just to so that td the issue that happened for the people urineating and throwing up, and he plans ongoing by the book of the rules. if it is, you know, the music, turned down, and cut it down for three days, instead of five days, and he plans to reach out to the neighborhood. and do the community out reach. pretty much have the neighborhood, or the neighbors that talked to you guys and plans on sitting down with the people that have been explaining and have the meeting with them and see how they can see what he can do to help them, you know, not complaint about the bar. >> thank you. >> could i ask another question

to the staff? do we have the conditions that we placed on the previous owner? >> yeah, i can... i can pull their permits. >> okay. >> and real quick. >> commissioner lee. >> i have a question, and since he has not been, you know, a bar owner before, can he tell me why he even wants to even bother to get into this business especially at this venue with this many issues going on with the neighbors? i am just curious does he know what he is getting himself into?

>> he just wants to have the experience of owning a bar and he plans on doing a study and taking his bartenders through training and he wants a new experience. >> has he been in the food and beverage has he worked in food and beverage at a hotel or any kind of what is his background, i am just curious. he is an owner of a jewelry shop. and that pretty much his background and it is something different for him but he just wants the new experience, as far as being a bar owner. >> so he understands that he is inherited, you know, it could be a good business but he is also inheriting some issues. >> yeah. >> and i guess that you know, we always want to give credit to new owners but hopefully that they will make the change

and be willing to do whatever it takes to make this business run along with what the neighbors want. and the law enforcement want. >> he is willing to follow the rules and pretty much just go by the rules. >> all right. it looks like we have one last question and actually i would like to bring the police up and we can ask more questions after that. >> hi there, my question is twot security guards, did he hire them or they new or did they work for the previous

owner as well? e >> i am the permit officer and the admin sergeant. and the eagle side permit offices conducted its statistical assessment with the crimes occurring within 500 feet of the premises, and these compare it to the previous owner by comparing the crimes plausibly related to alcohol, served at an