formula types which become hybrid when their in front of us like a pharmacy it's a difficult thing to do because they're hard to get a homicide on how their connoting with local businesses. the other issue is to take a slightly more differentiated impact when it comes to differentiated part time employment like with all benefits including the benefits of job retention and seasonal employment. we see a lot of people leaving those large chain stores like

target is laughing people i'm looking stability of employment in those defy types of categories. the last thing i want to see that we potentially take a look at chain stores as they used to be called if i remember correcting who were in town before 2004 and why they're basically part of the fully established development. i think the numbers should be added to how we're tallying retail since 2004. i'm not sure that's possible perhaps the realtor could help us with that but that information will help us get a better understanding of who's really in town. >> thank you commissioner

borden. >> i guess one - i'm a little bit concerned i think a lot of the data and information we're not going to be able to get. the employment numbers, you know, the social economic or other numbers are hard to get. one of the things the impact of the commercial corridor is look at the pedestrian traffic. they have those sensors that track pedestrians if i want to see the impact whether people leave a overlook store and shop down the street that would be helpful. the one thing we're comparing all retail to others and some are big box and larger retailer and some are the types of

retailer that don't connote with - that don't connote with apple. being able to like flush that out when you're looking at formula retail might be of value when your trying to see the impact. same thing with the grocery store so how can we capture that the patterns to maybe help us to get at the bigger question of, you know, the impact >> commissioner sugaya. >> yes. i have one small question ms. hay word.

on table two with the material we've received there's a category called cfo shops can you define that like a restaurant maybe the pinecrest is downtown. i would sort of characterize it a as a small business and mel's driven in is that a cfo shot shop >> they were analyzing the planning code defendant in relations the planning code has a restaurant and we were analyzing the industry of the code in the brad street data. we went through each sub category and tried to break down those into further categories that appear to be of interest

related to formula retail. so while cfo shops fall under limited recuperate cfo shops tend to be a hot bottom issue we have the local chains and we have large chains so we tried based on the codes based on the brad street data for the interests. >> seems like reaching 50 percent is a little bit high to me >> that's stripping data. >> you're looking for feedback open the 4 topics. those are fine with me. i didn't acquit understand in red our term which says our relationship between new formula and retail businesses.

does the two of the ones our suggesting you study employment impacts of formula retail vs. independence in relationship to the formula retail and independent retail kind of overlap >> we tried to pull out as many pieces and combine them into topics. we can't do a comprehensive study that's why there's a portion in red. we wanted to make sure we disabled the full list like the tops that are of interest our data doesn't support. other people are knuckling study and those are items of interest we couldn't cover maybe someone else could >> i have a question for the lady that presented us with the retail study from the

reloadeders group. when you did our survey i'm looking at any street castro, scott whatever and the uses of those that are there vacancy. do those cover a second floor uses or - >> ground floor only. >> so they could a nail salon on the upper floor. >> correct we didn't do any second floor retail. >> good work though. >> commissioner hillis. >> thank you for this update i'm glad we have limited resources because we could go on and on. there's a big debate about the program but yet almost on the same block on the next block

there was nothing about mc t you i think sees is a different retailer and it's perfect for a retailer. it's not going to give us a lot more information why one was acceptable and one wasn't. but i appreciate the broad data and it's helpful for the cfo shop issue it's hard bus we're luchlg downtown with the m c p and downtown there's a starbuck's on every corner which goes to the point where other people educated i don't have to drill down into every neighborhood but where a formula retail is permitted like downtown and where it's not in

the commercial district. i think it's interesting that number that shows 11 percent of all retail is in san francisco vs. 32 percent nationwide. our neighborhoods aren't covered with formula retail. i was in new york i was amazed it's now overrun with formula retail that's what happens when you don't have those types of controls that are appropriate and work in san francisco. but getting to the next reiteration of studies i think changing the supervisorial district but having that analysis downtown is skewing things to be more formula retail driven and that additional

characterization why starbuck's is not as well received i think because their most starbuck's then pete's. each chain has competition i think that walling greats don't face a lot of opposition because there's not the local mom and pop paramedics. this is a great start what you recommended i think it appropriate with the expectation of the industrial district analysis. >> so i have questions for staff. to be clear on our belief slides are you proposing that the top floor or the floor that you want to study or is this a memo you want to hear feedback on

>> this is a menu and i want to circle the ones we've zeroed in one the stakeholder. >> okay. had h that will be very helpful. >> okay. it's the slide right before that one. >> the first bullet point we've cello we think is of critical importance for us we know we're going to be vaement a number of proposals that propose to change the definitions of retail. and the ones that people seemed

to generally agree on after that there's bone that looks like the fourth one down the additional chairtion that combetsz to the square footage and the concentration and dictionary how big of a cheap is that. the one next employment impact formula vs. extinct retail to the extent we're able to and we'll do our best. the next last night it was interest for the real estate market resources has convulsed ann all the factors. that would give us four we think

we can afford four >> thank you that's very helpful we've been hearing about the mc ds that's overwhelming and can be done after looking at those issue areas. it really is too bad we can only do a chance to highlight this in focus groups or do some kind of surveying i don't know what would give us data but i think that my phase if literature review is not high >> if we annoyance the studies and interviewing the people like the realtor and see the study that's released to see the sort of data we have access to.

there is a point where everybody has to come together >> thank you. ann marie >> i was going to suggest we partner with other city agencies like the best neighborhoods work to do a survey of employment by the neighborhood strips and try to get a survey back from the merchant and more data then we can get on our own. >> thank you. commissioner moore >> would it be possible to circulate the study of 2007. aside that the investigation is slightly leaguer the ways of study speaks that's extremely

informative. it makes some recommendations which at that time, hemmed e held the housing in 2007 and revisiting those summary points i find the study expressive. i have it in digital form >> we have it in digital form, too, and we're in the process of putting up a new website and the dates for the upcoming hearings for people to stay informed. >> okay at the. commissioners we'll take a break for the court reporter to get set up for 20 minutes. >> welcome everyone back to san francisco planning commission regular hearing for thursday, january 23, 2014.

i'd like to remind members of the public and audience to please silence all electronic devices. that may sound off during the proceedings and when speaking before the commission if you care to state your name for the record >> commissioners we left off under your regular calendar case 1565 e for the housing element public hearing outlines on the revised environmental impact report. written comments will be accepted until february 3rd, 2014. like to advise members of the public to limit your comments to only the revised sections of the draft environmental report. that is what the before you today or before the commission. also the commission chair as determined that each member of

the public will be afforded 2 anybody's of pub any public comment? >> good afternoon. i'm steven smith from the planning department. this is for case 2007.175 e for 2004 and 2004 housing element it is for the 2004 and 2009 elements the element itself is a policy document consisting of goals and policies to guide the city's for private and a public developers to meet even though housing demand and it's part of the housing plan 10 east which is administered by the california housing department. in 2004 and 2009 they were prepared consistent with state law. this includes the city's ability

to meet the housing allocation which has the housing fair share and it is determined by the bay area government's in connection with the h cd. on march 4, 201133 they had the environmental report. on june 21st the board of supervisors selected and be adapted the 2004 general department plan, however, because of the eir the planning department has particularly revised the alternatives and this is for public review. the primary revisions to the chapter includes the following. number one a new subsection

which provides generally types of new hours. number two revisions to the environmental analyze of each all of the evidence this provides clarification for sub extension for the impact conclusions. no changes have been made. neuronumber 3 the changes for the in fact, and four provides anna analysis as compared to the 2004 and 2009 houlgz elements. they make minor adjusts and lastly the department made changes in the executive summary. consistent with the guiles comments should be only focused on the chapter 7 alternatives

and the con men or women changes in the executive summary. it should be focused on the revised changes in the eir. staff a not here and the comments will be transcribed that will address all the oral and written comments to the written part of the example i r. the hearing low follow the certification. commenters are asked to speak slowly and clearly for an accurate trip and speakers should be giving their addresses. we'll take any comments from the planning folks. the public comment period began

on december last year and at the scene of the accident to monday january 2014 i suggest the public hearing be opened >> i have a number of speaker cards. if you could line up on the screen side of the room (calling names) first speaker >> first speaker please. >> i'm leonard gregory scott i reside at the 2434 jackson street in san francisco. we would like to ask for a

continuance we dpnd he we could comment on corporate section to please give us more time to review those hundreds of pages. the middle class in the city should have some areas in the neighborhood. and it's not been given sufficient attention if the city and we have a crisis not having houses for the middle-class. they will be sent out of the city a again, we think the housing element as it stand it totally inadequate. >> my name is a dave i'm address is 120 grant avenue in san francisco. i'm president of west highlands

association. i grew up here and went to school here and work here and now my grand kids are here. as you know, in the 1994 our neighborhood coalition brought this to court. then planning received the 2009 planning element this time with an eir didn't address transportation. right now the busses on gary and stockton are already packed. i've rind public straight downtown and finally, just recently started driving and that particular eir didn't offer

the alternatives now the public didn't know about this our neighborhoods have had three weeks since christmas to look at it. glancing at it the transportation system still stuck out but one huge alternative is housing that's a middle-class with children what almost for the record. that starter housing with a little backyard and a endanger. this housing project didn't have this there's no family housing for sale. without families this city dies or morris into a winn and diane for adults like venice italy

>> thank you, sir your time is up. >> my name is a michael i'm with the park merry kidney coalition. i'm concerned this houshz element didn't taking into consideration the need for transit before development. i've been very frustrated by what is coming from park merced i understand the plans call for an increase in something like 84 units and the cumulative impact of the environmental impacts is not being considered. my children have taken public transportation and continuing been frustrated by the muni to get into bart from where you live you have to take a shuttle and that lines wines around the

san francisco buildings and 85 new cars will be added to park merced. tdr there isn't any southern for transit before development. i know the need for affordable housing but in getting rid of the affordable housing in san francisco sate and putting rent control at peril even denying has said you can't guarantee that rent control will be here so your driving first names out of the city. there's all kinds of lip service by the city to create affordable housing but in the end with developer money and all the power that developers have the whole process of planning here seems with the city attorney and the planning department and the commission all seems to be a

homicide just dud i didn't peanut gallery. i want you to seriously consider the plans for increasing the dense a indication in the face of inadequate transportation and the potential of pollution coming up. there are many places in san francisco where you can too righteous deny indication and park merced is not one of the places >> let me call a couple more names (calling names). >> my name is charles i live on washington street i'm a director of the housing association for neighborhoods. i'm a family man a disappearing

brood in this city. i live at home with my wife and children. more pertinent to today's event i think with did you respect to my fellow supporters here it was my neighborhood and me personally who sphere heated the lawsuit that brings us here today. i provided the ideas and have supported this so far. contrary to the agenda preliminary action no one required i'm going to ask you to put on you're thinking caps and think about opening up the record implicit and bet the people tell you what they want. i served as district two representative that helped the

staff develop what we presented to you as a group on february 10, 2010, which was the 2009 housing element. we had our last meeting on that we we spent hours i spent 8 months and many hours working on that. yet the product disappeared from the record and was changed before the vote you take on june 10th. we never had an opportunity to come back and tell you about your proposed changes. you should open the record and let us tell you to take care of that. thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioners i'm kathy representing san franciscans for liveable neighborhood. they must correct the revision

of the corrected notice for 45 days or an alternative grant the notice erroneously states that the agency need only to respond to comments to the part of the e i railroad it refers to numerous other discussions of the impact analysis and on january 15th the interpretation clarified that the comments maybe made as to the revisions and those reference sections as they proton - pertain to the alternatives. today, the secretary and the staff repeated the incorrect reductions the writ issued by the court said you must consider