comments in there that i haven't heard so it was informative for me to hear this as i move forward with our initiatives in the next few months. i want to thank the bike coalition and a few other organizations that came out to make their comments. as i mentioned earlier, i'm looking forward to passing a resolution to vision zero which is to look at the education piece of this and i'm hoping the same people, many of you i really hope you join us as we have the dialogue of how we can come up with concrete plan as it relates to a pedestrian safety awareness campaign for san francisco. i realize that

we've been talking about the three e's and maybe we need to say it should be about the five e's. enforcement, engineering and enforcement, education, enforcement. enforcement, enforcement, and we can do all the engineering we want, i don't think all is going to change with that enforcement piece, so i'm glad we're having this hearing and thank you for the police commission commissioners to be out here and hopefully we're on the same page with with this issue. thank you very much. >> thank you supervisor yee and i have to say that i'm very grateful to see the police commission here and i have a bias. i miss being on the police commission to i get excited to see these commissioners here, but let's hear from them and i want to turn it over to president mazzucco and thank you president and welcome to you and

your colleagues. >> thanks very much supervisor campos and members of the board and members of the public. it was informative tonight to hear from the public. this is our fourth hearing in this matter. i want to thank my fellow commissioners for being here. but the most important part about tonight is that what you saw was a very transparent police department where we have a chief and a commander willing to come up and admit where we may have miss givings and telling us what our plan is. i'm proud to be apart of this organization and thank you for your candor and continued work. this is our fourth hearing. we have accountability, we're asking for statistics, we're looking into the enforcement actions. i know that commissioner loftus and commissioner turnman have been active and want to continue work with the bike collision and walk san francisco and they're going to still do that. we don't use works

sub-committee, but they're going to continue on that and we're going to stay on top of that issue. what you saw tonight was a show of force by the police department. if you wonder, does this message get down to the officers. the chief has the entire command staff here, every captain for every district station and i thank you for being here. i can guarantee you that this message will make its way to the station tomorrow morning and the officers will understand what we need to do. thank you everybody and i appreciate it. >> thank you mr. president and now if we can hear from commissioner loftus and commissioner loftus, thank you for the work you have been doing on this issue. >> thank you so much chair campos and president mazzucco. i have to take a moment first to thank everyone who came for public comment tonight. but it reminds me that i also came to public comment in these chambers in 2001 if you can imagine because i was

complaining so much about how dangerous it was to cross the street on california street. that may friends said why don't you take yourself to city hall and do public comment. i think it was a dare. and i was one person and i told my story and my fellow commissioners will be tired of me telling this story but i was hit at nine and i survived and have learned to be really careful on san francisco streets but unfortunately sharing that story when i was one person, i didn't get any traction, but with all of you here with the bike coalition and walk ff is impactful. the chief calls it the new normal. we have a

chief who brought every captain from the police staff who are all here to talk about this issue, examine and not only talk about it and admit when they've made mistakes and i find that great when people in power admit that they make mistakes and i believe that you're going to hold the department accountable for the ways they should conduct themselves. at the end of the day, what supervisor wiener resonated with me and he said if you look at the endless reports on what we should do. the question is what are we going to do? it's in the quiet moments when no one is watching that the work can get done. i want to commend this commission that back in june of 2013 we had a meeting that we want to see more enforcement. we had a hearing where we see with the reducing staffing rate is having an

veng on the citations and president mazzucco and myself talked about what we're seeing on the streets and a need for increased enforcement and the department recognize the shortage of staff came up with a plan. we still have to do better, but i agree completely with supervisor yee that enforcement is an absolutely critical piece to this puzzle, but what that means you guy, it's going to be a cultural shift in san francisco. some people get tickets but they say we're going to take it to appeal. as a mother of three who walks my own children to school everyday and i teach them to be safe, this is preventable. we have to work

together on enforcement. i would like to say that i'm going to work with my colleague commissioner turman and the folks we have been working with to introduce a resolution for the police commission to do what some folks from flag which is memorialize the problems we have made. i think the department has taken so many steps to aggress the concerns that we didn't get to go into all of them. a video training is going to be released shortly, our forms are being updated. there was a commitment last week to proride quarterly reports to the police commission and we can extend that to this committee. there's progress that we can memorialize and some reporting structures that we can put in place. i want to say, some of the things that we have made, commissioner mar is laughing because he wants me to stop

talking. it's cool. change takes time and it takes a financial invest. the smartphones, this is a department that got e-mailed last year -- i'm sorry, 2011. a sustainable and a continued investment in the academy classes and technology is something we need this partnership from this body because to change from a department who in 2011 didn't have e-mail to a department where we can issue citations on a smartphone is something i see in the future with the board of supervisors. >> commissioner chan. >> we're sharing. commissioner chan and commissioner dejesus. >> so i agree. there's funding for the engineering part. that's something that's important. some of these bike routes are waiting to have -- to be isolated and you

said the cars can't go into the lanes and there's streets that they're promised on and they haven't been done, so funding is an issue. i'm proud of the department tonight. i'm proud that they're up and front on supporting the resolution and the seeing the program they put together. there are some questions though. they were talking about reporting on the traffic incidents and they know there was the issue -- the memo to the other officer s and i question i have for the department, what else can you do to insure that the policy of full reporting of traffic accidents is adhere to and how can he with followup and measure the progress in that particular area going forward? >> as i said, i mean technology can play a big role in it. i committed to having the stations until we can get up on

the smartphones and get the technology in place. cross roads records all the collision data now. i do know that when it comes to citations, 97 percent of the citations go to vehicles. that's probably -- there's probably going to be more citations issued all together, so unfortunately, tickets aren't popular, so that's going to mean more occ complaints. that means more work for occ >> that bares an issue for occ to see if they have an area to report whether for any bicycle complaints or pedestrian complaints. it's something we can bring up with with the occ and see if thing catalog it. >> i would appreciate the support of the board and

commission when the complaints come just because we're doing more enforcement that we're doing it to save lives, not to make anybody sad that they're getting tickets. they could avoid the ticket by not committing the violation. >> i know the answer. i do want to command you for having the captains here from all the different stations. one of the things we heard about some people talking about, their district stations and doing enforcement and doing a great job, are all the district stations doing the monthly enforcement plans and if not, why not and if they are are you monitoring that as well? or have the ability to monitor it? >> is anybody not doing a district enforcement? >> and then the last thing, i'm assuming the answer is yes. >> i didn't get a no.

>> the last thing was if you are going to come up with a new report and put a lot of statistics down in terms of collisions and pedestrian and bicycles, the people here from the disability community did make a very good point that perhaps if we're going to redo the form that we also have an area where we can check if it's a disabled person or something like that on the form as well so we can have another statistic to look at. okay. >> fair enough >> that's all i have. thank you. >> i'm the twin -- i want to thank everyone for being here. the command staff and so many people here. it makes me nervous. there's lots of work to do. so we'll get you out of here soon. i wrote down all of the suggestions. there were so many good ideas and one of my questions for the chief is of those suggestions that you heard are there any new ideas that area

thinking about including and i think a couple of people came out to see their suggestions. >> there were many, many ideas that were presented in the power point, the power point is available to everybody and i would commend everybody that is sitting there is on their next stop will be home. >> i mean from public comment. >> were there things in public comment that you would adopt? >> i think most of the things are addressed by a bi product of the things that weren't in place. if you have something in particular i'll be happy to answer. >> got it. one more question. i was looking at the statistics you provided with the citations issued in 2013 and for bay view, angle side and there's one more here, paravell and they have the highest numbers of citations and with

the data driven approach of issue, citations to deal with traffic issues, how does the data drive the enforcement. i'm trying to figure out. >> can i get those three captains up? >> so this is captain curtis. >> we were both looking at this earlier and when you're looking at bay view when it comes to stop sign, it's 1,320 for a stop sign and when you look at the other one, it's 1,089 and we were discussing if this was related to the collision or fatality. that's

it. >> i just noticed those numbers and i wondered if we're talking about data and how that maps on. >> those districts have the highest numbers of stop signs in the city. for instance the tenderloin, it has a single stop sign so you're not going to have too many stop sign violations in that area because they have traffic lights. >> the same goes for the northern districts, central and tenderloin, you'll see a higher concentration of traffic control signals there then you do everywhere in the city. i can actually provide you very detailed information relative to the percentages of traffic control devices, stop signs and number of intersections and that's based on a data analysis from mta. we have over 10,000 intersections in

the city, 1200 miles of roadway and traffic devices and that's why you'll see a difference. >> having these citation totals are useful in stations, but it will be helpful are where the collisions by district station at the desk because we have that in a separate document but it's not organized back to back. i like to see the citations issued is driven by the collisions and the deaths. >> sure. >> commissioner, that's what focus on the five is. so when 50 plus percent of all the tickets are given for the primary collision factor at those five most injured intersections, that's what the whole program is. >> my question is distribution among the district stations. >> thank you. >> thank you captain that was perfect. >> great. >> thank you very much. if we

can hear from commissioner kingsley. >> supervisors, thank you for inviting the police department, police commission and holding this joint meeting tonight. it's historic, it's -- it was addressing a need in this city. thank you to the public. it was a remarkable turn out tonight. a lot of really excellent suggestions, indication of how much the public cares about this issue and all of the other players in this city with the various organizations and their commitment to this serious issue as well. the police department, thank you to the chief and to all of the captains. i think it is very

notable that you are all here on your own time. this is not on the clock as the chief just indicated. i think that's a real statement. i wanted to highlight that a little bit more because that's an indication of a professional and personal commitment to this issue. thank you to director redman. i don't want to reiterate what my fellow commissioners have already said. they've said so much. i've crossed those off my list in terms of comments and will not be asking questions tonight. i just wanted to point out that in all of the years that i've been on a commission, i don't believe and i've been at

all the meetings, the commission meetings and joint meetings except for one. there has never ever been such a remarkable participation and line up of public comment as it has been tonight and also there has never been all the captains sitting in the meeting participating and showing their dedication so again, if that's worth pointing out here. and the only other thought and i think that this is why we feel concerned and passionate about this, we've been quoting statistics like 21 fatalities and many many more more in injuries and so many of them not reported, for each one of those incidents of fatalities or injuries, for each one, there is this ripple effect that's tra mend -- effect that's

tremendous. there's familiar lae members and coworkers. there's a ripple effect and that was demonstrated by so many here tonight. we're off a really solid commitment on this and there's every indication, at least i feel every indication of hope that the follow through is going to be there and that all of these wonderful ideas and the collaboration that is occurring with this is going to resolve in our zero target, being met on this. so is again, thank you very much. i appreciate it. >> thank you very much

commissioner. if we can hear from commissioner marshal. >> great meeting as far as meetings go. not all meetings are great. as often as my rule of commission, i want to offer a little food for thought, but i need to ask commander ali, in your original document, under this primarily factor, when you identified different folks -- i think that means for you at fault or can i go that far and say that? >> you could do that far. basically -- >> that seems to be the same thing to me so i wanted it make sure i was saying that. thank you. i

looked at this document and looking at the data we collected in the year 2013, i noticed that there were 25 as it says, 25 fatalities, when it came to pedestrian fatalities involving motor vehicles, 15 of them involved the driver and 6 involved -- the driver was identified as the primary factor and in six of them, the pedestrian was identified as the primary factor. in bicycling fatalities, a driver was involved an as factor and one the bicyclist was identified as a factor in three, so if my read is correct, of the 25 fatalities,

16 were in which the driver was identified as the primarily factor. as driving motor vehicle, six were the primarily factor and three where the bicyclist was the primarily factor, so that's roughly 60 percent vehicle driver motorcycle and 40 bicyclist. it seems to me if we're going to really do something and i'll use myself because generally in these meetings, you get the bicycle or the motorist, so i'll all three. i walk, i've got a bike and i drive, so i'm three in one. what this tells me is i could be the primarily factor as either of those three. and

it -- if we're going to have to get to this zero goal, we have to do something about the three in one. i have heard about motor vehicles, i've heard about tickets and that's fine. i applaud that if you want to start. but it looks like you're going to leave out -- even with this supervisor wiener's 66 percent, 2/3 and 1/3, you're not going to get to the other 40 to have. i want people to get what they want to very to do something about all three of -- everybody involved, the driver of the motor vehicle, the bicyclist and the pedestrians because according to these statistics, all have been primarily factors in vehicle deaths, so i want to make that point and i hope that whatever we pursue covers all three so

we can get to that zero we want. >> thank you commissioner marshal for your comments. and again i want to thank all of the members of the public who have come out to our police department and someone asked me how often does the neighborhood services public safe ety committee meet with the police commission, it doesn't happen and it has been years since it happened so it tells how serious this issue has been taken and i believe we have benefited from this discussion and the fact that the dialogue included both agency and mouth the committee and the police commission is useful. i want to take an opportunity to thank my staff, carolyn goozeman who has worked hard with walk sff to put this hearing together and i want to say that i've been touched by the

families of some of the victims -- of the fatalities that have taken place in the last few weeks. i have been struck how not withstanding their personal pain and frustration that they come back it make sure that we prevent any other death from happening. it's moving and inspiring to see that someone in their pain can still think about other people. with this, i want to make sure that i give our chief of police the last board on this. chief i want to thank you. i want to thank mr. mazzucco for being here but thank you for the priority you have given to this issue. we know it's something you care about very deeply so with that i want to make sure that i give you the last word. >> i appreciate the fact that

-- i really appreciate my captains and task force being here. i have a cio here that's here late at night and everybody's patience. i couldn't agree more with dr. marshal. we're all in this together. as i said, 97 percent of the tickets went to cars and it's probably not going to shake out like that. we'll try to do fair and equitable enforcement and treating everybody equally realizing that the cars are the most dangerous. so they're going to catch the most ticket. >> thank you chief. and know that we at the board also have to put our money where our mouth is so you, i think, have a commitment from the supervisors that we'll make sure you have the resources to do that's being asked of the police department and also the

officer of citizens complaints. if i can take a motion to file this item and i want to reserve the possibility of coming back jointly in the very near future to see where things are. motion to file by supervise yee. and we'll take that without objection. mr. clerk, do we have any other business before this joint committee? >> mr. chair that concludes this meeting. >> thank you. the meeting is adjourned and let's keep each other and all of us safe out there. thank you.