of supervisorial district and that's not helpful or useful. you've got to drill counsel into the neighborhood commercial district. if you're looking at it from the supervisorial view combining the formula retailer and in the supervisors districts it's different because of stones town it's not useful information. ground zero from the tension around those issues is really at the neighborhood district level and that's where the analysis has to happen not useful by the supervisorial district and you'll be able to compare the impacts from the number one formula retail and the formula

retail and you'll be pursueing that information >> those of who you who line up in front of of the doors it's causing a fire hazard and whosoever is ready to speak come up to the microphone. thank you >> next speaker can approach the podium. thank you >> kenneth lee i have a comment. i'm for small businesses but we need more of other stores >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon. i'm a case manager for san francisco for

homeless women and children and i'm on low income. i'm here to talk about big businesses and being supportive to my clients. there's a lot of clients i have that don't have real - a lot of experience so i am coming up here to say we keep the big businesses around for jobs to support families. that was my concern to keep the big businesses around and retail to support the women and children so support their families and job opportunities >> thank you. >> good afternoon marry my name is pamela. i'm for the big and small

businesses. big businesses over for jobs and opportunity. thank you >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon commissioners. my name is a natalie i'm a real estate manager. first looked like to thank the planning staff and greatly appreciate the stakeholder meetings and will like to continue participating through this process. we have 15 stores and we've organized here. we have 2 stores p that are actively going through the process of redevelopment. several of our stores are for innovation or mixed use and we're elevating the store location in underserved areas and likely will have a couple of more perhaps in the near future. i'd like to touch on two things

regarding the data collection. first, we appreciate that grocery is being discussed as a separate item. the formula retail language is what was acknowledged one-size-fits-all and those discussions we realize the neighborhood nets the paramedic and other factual into one category i want to see more research in the study. the study is going to be you touching on employment and labor. i'm not sure how deep that discussion is going to be but add union labor and union grocery store and we'll appreciate having that discussion added on that. again withhold to continue to

participate into the stakeholder and any other meetings that planning may pilth put together. i appreciate he everyone consideration >> thank you. next speaker, please for those who are in line. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> anyone interested to speak? >> good afternoon. commissioners and planning staff i'm pamela and i want to thank you for the opportunity to speak today. i would like to provide you all with a copy of a formula retail mapping prong that has been conducted by the local brokerage community. we've done our best to survey every neighborhood.

what's not concluded in this report is the study of chinatown and bayview and outer mission. we have not included union square. we've found a vacancy rate of 4.8 percent and 13 percent formula retail and within that group of formula retails 36 percent are locally bay area local chains. take a look at the facts and incorporate those into our study. we counted everything gas stations and fitness institutions. so we did our best to make sure that everything was as correct as possible. i'd like to thank you for including us in the stakeholder meeting. thank you. thank you

>> thank you. >> good afternoon, members of the planning commission i'm the director of government affairs for the restaurants association. your organization is a member driven organization we represent extinct and chain restaurants. i want to emphasize and ask this commission to analyze the businesses based on commercial district and not supervisorial district it could skew the data and consider looking at the retailer should include charitable giving. thank you >> next speaker is there any further any public

comment? >> good afternoon, commissioners peter cowen i'm a resident in the upper market area and worked on formula retail controls in 2003 and 4. a couple of thoughts an issue areas to focus on. there's a lot to choose from. having seen the impact of the formula retail controls the two things that stand out to me unfortunately in the orange and red they're the most complex analyze but the ones i having ask you have your consolute look at. the first one is the economic relationship this is item kj human resources h i the relationship between the formula retail. this is the cross-examination of

it. when most community respond to a formula retail proposal it's about real or per served the impact on other small businesses. we have small information there's an impact and it's fear of being out priced and predatory practices but we don't know. if they could have it it be helpful its head to head competition. and the sick the notation of concentration. there's been 11 percent formula retail across the city but in economic growing graph there's an interesting phenomena at the

major intersection 4 gas stations occupy the intersection. that's the best place to be with your immediate competitors for the market share. high concentration in small areas it didn't help us to think about that cross the city but you need to look at within a half a block and how does that change the economics as well as the character of the neighborhood. we don't have an analysis of that but i think that also is something that could use some analysis and so get the suggestions. those are my friendly suggestions and look forward to the staff report >> thank you. >> thank you good afternoon

arnold townsend the economic opportunity you council of san francisco. which happens to be one of the last groups on the war on poster which happens to be the only declared what are the united states has ever lost because there's twice of the number of people living in poverty now than in 64. this is the 50 years of that property act. just wanted to say to suggest to you that you have our consistent please look at the employment panes and the ratio employment patterns of formula retail and not independent locally owned. the independent locally folks

don't higher african-american. i live in the fillmore i'm up p there all the time they have wonderful clothes there i don't shop there because they don't have black folks working there. and interesting enough if there was an old navy or gap they'll hire african-americans. in fact, if you go in and out of the shops in fillmore you'll be lucky to find two or three african-american there and if you do they'll be walgreens or starbuck's. let me say i've been here almost 50 years 46 years this year and you could go both a store restaurants anywhere in this

city in the old days and you'll see an african-american working in one of the places but not anywhere. things are worse now rather than then. where we had the fight over the home depot i went into every shop longer than the corridor and so you no african-american working there. if you don't go to lows walk through there and look for african-americans. this is one of the most important services that this is look at this so we can get pro-active. thank you >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi, i'm with the san francisco border of real estate

folks. we're here today ways formula retail we want merchant district for san francisco citizens. we ask you to look at the length of vacancies and particularly large commercial spaces which commonly feel that formula retail are the only kind of businesses that can light that space well. they do a lot to impact the vibrancy of the a commercial district and whether it cherl district will survive. and encourage you to look at the vacancy rates that has been presented but the length of vacancy especially those over 12

thousand feet. thank you >> any further any public comment? >> thank you those are inconspiring. it's essential that the delivery of public goods that are essential to public neighborhoods be it the formula other aspects are irrelevant you must have proof that the ownership is important employment is an important criteria this is a city and county it has limited resources. you have to have a means to enforce the public gods that's not in your syllabus.

thank you very much >> thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm ken cleveland i work for the builder commercial real estate owners in this city. i'm delighted we shall looking at the impacts of the formula retail. we are restrict on how we define the outlets is kind of, you know, i don't understand where this number came from. it's really a strange number to start with. but in any case we need to look at the different in relation but one thing that is missing was how does it impact our small businesses that wish to grow our

soup companies they grow and become a chain store at the 11ist e outlet. when we think about chain stores we think about starbuck's or that have thousand outlets were we need to diverse into this and raise it to 50 we consider we want to help our small businesses in san francisco grow and prosper here in san francisco and not limit them and put more time and expensive going through the c u process. that's it thank you. thank you. any further public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioner moore >> i want to add a couple of comments. i participated ♪ the friday stakeholder of this group meeting and the study has

significantly evolved from last friday. the chamber of commerce dee dee summarized some of the push backs. i like to repeat that the analyze for the supervisorial district is highly irrelevant instead the focus should be on the neighborhood corridor for the focused group of a few of the commercial corridors. i want to ask that under the potential brief topics the second point is being capacity you're asking for focus on one specific store type i'd like to add we get a handle on those formula types which become hybrid when their in front of us

like a pharmacy it's a difficult thing to do because they're hard to get a homicide on how their connoting with local businesses. the other issue is to take a slightly more differentiated impact when it comes to differentiated part time employment like with all benefits including the benefits of job retention and seasonal employment. we see a lot of people leaving those large chain stores like target is laughing people i'm looking stability of employment

in those defy types of categories. the last thing i want to see that we potentially take a look at chain stores as they used to be called if i remember correcting who were in town before 2004 and why they're basically part of the fully established development. i think the numbers should be added to how we're tallying retail since 2004. i'm not sure that's possible perhaps the realtor could help us with that but that information will help us get a better understanding of who's really in town. >> thank you commissioner borden. >> i guess one - i'm a little bit concerned i think a lot of

the data and information we're not going to be able to get. the employment numbers, you know, the social economic or other numbers are hard to get. one of the things the impact of the commercial corridor is look at the pedestrian traffic. they have those sensors that track pedestrians if i want to see the impact whether people leave a overlook store and shop down the street that would be helpful. the one thing we're comparing all retail to others and some are big box and larger retailer and some are the types of retailer that don't connote with

- that don't connote with apple. being able to like flush that out when you're looking at formula retail might be of value when your trying to see the impact. same thing with the grocery store so how can we capture that the patterns to maybe help us to get at the bigger question of, you know, the impact >> commissioner sugaya. >> yes. i have one small question ms. hay word. on table two with the material we've received there's a category called cfo shops can

you define that like a restaurant maybe the pinecrest is downtown. i would sort of characterize it a as a small business and mel's driven in is that a cfo shot shop >> they were analyzing the planning code defendant in relations the planning code has a restaurant and we were analyzing the industry of the code in the brad street data. we went through each sub category and tried to break down those into further categories that appear to be of interest related to formula retail. so while cfo shops fall under limited recuperate cfo shops

tend to be a hot bottom issue we have the local chains and we have large chains so we tried based on the codes based on the brad street data for the interests. >> seems like reaching 50 percent is a little bit high to me >> that's stripping data. >> you're looking for feedback open the 4 topics. those are fine with me. i didn't acquit understand in red our term which says our relationship between new formula and retail businesses. does the two of the ones our suggesting you study employment impacts of formula retail vs.

independence in relationship to the formula retail and independent retail kind of overlap >> we tried to pull out as many pieces and combine them into topics. we can't do a comprehensive study that's why there's a portion in red. we wanted to make sure we disabled the full list like the tops that are of interest our data doesn't support. other people are knuckling study and those are items of interest we couldn't cover maybe someone else could >> i have a question for the lady that presented us with the retail study from the reloadeders group. when you did our survey i'm looking at any street castro,

scott whatever and the uses of those that are there vacancy. do those cover a second floor uses or - >> ground floor only. >> so they could a nail salon on the upper floor. >> correct we didn't do any second floor retail. >> good work though. >> commissioner hillis. >> thank you for this update i'm glad we have limited resources because we could go on and on. there's a big debate about the program but yet almost on the same block on the next block there was nothing about mc t you i think sees is a different

retailer and it's perfect for a retailer. it's not going to give us a lot more information why one was acceptable and one wasn't. but i appreciate the broad data and it's helpful for the cfo shop issue it's hard bus we're luchlg downtown with the m c p and downtown there's a starbuck's on every corner which goes to the point where other people educated i don't have to drill down into every neighborhood but where a formula retail is permitted like downtown and where it's not in the commercial district. i think it's interesting that number that shows 11 percent of

all retail is in san francisco vs. 32 percent nationwide. our neighborhoods aren't covered with formula retail. i was in new york i was amazed it's now overrun with formula retail that's what happens when you don't have those types of controls that are appropriate and work in san francisco. but getting to the next reiteration of studies i think changing the supervisorial district but having that analysis downtown is skewing things to be more formula retail driven and that additional characterization why starbuck's is not as well received i think

because their most starbuck's then pete's. each chain has competition i think that walling greats don't face a lot of opposition because there's not the local mom and pop paramedics. this is a great start what you recommended i think it appropriate with the expectation of the industrial district analysis. >> so i have questions for staff. to be clear on our belief slides are you proposing that the top floor or the floor that you want to study or is this a memo you want to hear feedback on >> this is a menu and i want to circle the ones we've zeroed in one the stakeholder.

>> okay. had h that will be very helpful. >> okay. it's the slide right before that one. >> the first bullet point we've cello we think is of critical importance for us we know we're going to be vaement a number of proposals that propose to change the definitions of retail. and the ones that people seemed to generally agree on after that there's bone