peninsula and work and get home safely and for not to think about the alternative to get in a car and create the pollution. we need to avoid that or i want to thank you all of you who participate. we were the group that founded bart back in the 1950s. sometimes that's the thing we need to lead on. if you see multiple family homes around lights endurances it was something that the bay area council created and voblgd for. not easily duplicate with some suburbia cities but that's all helping part of the solution of having a region that can function and stay ahead of the pack.

we're pleased with san francisco's leadership and the mayor g did a good job now the unemployment is ahead of the positive industry. we look forward to work together. thanks (clapping.) >> thanks jim and jim will be available for q and a to answer questions but we wanted to give you an opportunity to hear from a couple of them. i want to bring up carr low the vice president. good afternoon and thank you. a special thanks to mayor ed lee and wanting nolan. sure first names carla with a c

yes. we're excited about this program today. we've been working with sfmta in the past year to find ways to meet this challenge of finding ways to get our employees to our canvassing campus in south san francisco and do it in a way that supports sfmta and works in compliments with the public transmission. our program started in 2006 and the primarily goal of our program was to encourage pleasing employees to stop driving to work alone by themselves in their car. over the past 6 or seven years we've had sdhek program and eliminated over 5 thousand car trips 0 over the roads our employees take the bart and the ferry to get to the offices in

san francisco. our employees get to work and it reduced traffic in san francisco and in the community as well as reducing our cartoonish emissions. we enjoy you a partnership with sfmta and we're hopefully, this program will move us forward. thank you (clapping.) thank you and while >> you can see there's a lot of companies that have been part of this. people refer to this as google buses google is only one of the larger companies we're happy to have google here and 53 we have very sincerely, can here for google >> thank you i'd like to start out by thanking all the folks

involved in moving forward this project. thank you to mayor ed lee and edward reiskin. google is excited to be working with you and members of the community of the shared goal even if minnesota transportation around the bay area. we see this as a great step for partnership in the years ahead. as a current resident i appreciate all the work go that's making this better around san francisco and across the bay area and you have the folks in this room to thank for that so thank you (clapping.) >> okay. before we open it up to questions i want to acknowledge the woman who was spear heat the work working with the folks at the muni and our it people and all the providers the

transportation companies, the companies they're working for, the bay area council and our manager carly she's the brains behind this. now we're available for that questions and jim is here to answer with questions and mayor and i and director nolan >> what's this permit for do you have to have a permit for a shuttle what if somebody doesn't want to - >> there's a whole a lot of questions there. >> and how many does that cost. >> the basic idea what we have we the city and a transportation system that the providers want is access to muni bus stops so

the permit will permit someone to use the bus stop, of course, only muni buses are allowed to use the bus stops so the permit will designate a certain amount of bus stops by permitted providers and would subject them to a number of a number of restraints not interpreting with muni and possess popular not to use the rest of the 2 thousand muni bus stops. that's what the permit provides that's a dollar per day per we're governed by prop 18 such we can only recover our costs for the program and not generate

money only the san franciscans can generate a tax. so we identified was it would cost us to develop and run an 18 month pilot about some thousands of dollars and we expect the dollar per day finger >> (inaudible). >> no. >> and (inaudible). >> we don't have - >> (inaudible). >> if you want to use our bus stops you have to be part of the permit program and once that's in place you have to be permitted to be part of the program. >> (inaudible).

>> how much money are are we talking about and again, it's not going into the general fund to pay for administrator and $1.15 million to be the one hundred thousand figure is the afternoon for companies some are larger and small but the one-hundred 5 million will pay for the costs of a.d. administering the program. >> so did you commuter buses on - >> so the buzz the question is what's the impact been on muni services. their large vehicles and those who have ripened muni experience this we hear it from our operators sometimes those buses are delaying muni for getting to

a stop to unload passengers so they dwell longer at the stops but the basic issue is some of the busiest muni stops are where they want to be and that is the conflict that we're trying to solving with this program >> to increase enforcement. >> part of the 1.5 million is part of the cost. >> how many companies will participate in the program (inaudible). >> that includes the companies. >> hi, sure. carly c ar l i so the kwae

question was how many companies participated that's 3 dozen companies a mix between providers and companies that provide the service to their employees and the transportation like bowers and compass who many of this contract out for so there's an overlap and that's included in that the medical institution as well >> so shilt companies. >> in most cases the transportation provider that's they're busy and operators but ultimately whomever wants to choose to be the permit he. >> are you going to ask for more money. >> so the state law based on

prop 18 and 26 restricts any local government from collecting foes and they're now greater to cost than the fees support. so the state law to raise the revenue is is to go to the voters for a revenue increase >> how many plays - >> i don't think we have that information. i didn't really mention this one of the benefits of the pilot is to gather the information that requires a significant data component to this so we can understand the dynamics of how many people are moving in from where >> so is there infrastructure improvements and how much money

and how does this effect building - >> probably not building new stops but signage to make it clear to which stops are available and maybe they need a bigger bus place. >> you mentioned the symbolic you know the significance that those buses have taken on you have a general displeasure are muni you think this will disarm that. >> i think it lends a legitimate really of the shuttle to our transportation system and that's been recognized by the bay area council. we didn't want them to be the symptoms of something else they're getting people to and from work and preventing thoisz

thousands of cars from getting on the roads and really reducing the cartoonish emissions but their transporting people to work and that's really the essence of this conversation that he need to get people to work. so how do we make sure it compliments our muni system rather than brushes up against it to create for challenges and safety challenges and others this pilot will give us more information but the great part is the collaboration from the companies who provide the service they'll start discussing with us officially what those challenges are on a zone by zone basis and how to improve the safety and effectiveness of the system >> do you have an issue of how

the goose killed the golden egg those reduce the (inaudible) or getting people on cars and now there's regulations that is going into effect. >> we can survivor that if we impose it that's where the collaboration is so they know they want to not be in front of a muni bus trying to pickup people and coordinating steldz e schedules and don't want to exchange very clear congested areas of forcing a bike rider into a lane and they want to know who else wants to coordinate with us and who wants to be in agreement with us rather than people who want to do their own thing. i think this is a great attempt

to coordinate something and if we don't do it we'll have the challenges and by god safety is our number one issue >> (inaudible) shilt buses going to muni bus down to the drop off passengers and that's a financial detriment and (inaudible). >> using a muni zone in coordination with our very challenged muni system that's been succeeding over the years but now we have a whole plan to get them resources i think that's a privilege to use the same spaces in a coordinated way and we're not talking about a tax we're getting a system

they've agreed with us would be a better system then the he felt skeleton. >> thank you go

>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david

constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes

people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground?

>> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks

or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on.

>> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be.

>> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is

just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an

occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for good afternoon

and welcome to the special meeting of the joint city and school district select committee. first of all we would like to thank the staff at sfgtv that record our meetings and make the transcripts available on line. and a special thanks and our clerk today and are there any announcements? >> there are none. >> thank you. and i will have a motion to excuse supervisor avalos who couldn't be