their own property for the purposes of entertainment and something that would go in that value? that would possibly add insult to injury, in other words, you would not be able to adjust your business model and you would not pursue a business model and you would have to pay the fee every year and you are paying it while your building is vacant, and over a period of time, there have the bitterness could set in, and so i want to thank all of the commission, especially commissioner joseph for that astute observation. thank you, is there any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. we will move on to the next agenda item, which is review and approval of the minutes from january 7, 2014. >> i move to approve. >> i second. >> commissioner campagnoli?

>> on the motion? >> yes. >> i will second. >> okay. >> this is vote. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner lee? >> yes. >> commissioner joseph? >> aye. >> ayed. >> aye. >> akers? >> aye. >> tan. >> aye. >> those minutes are approved, item three is the report from the executive director, so director? >> good evening. really short and sweet hopefully you are having a copy in your binder and i wanted to present to you an interesting survey, that was conducted late last year by the sfmta and do you guys have that? and it is behind and it is, it is a really sort of short but interesting survey done on late night transportation issues, choosing that polk street, that lower corridor to start to get the gated point about what

people are looking for and how they are getting to and from and where they are coming from, what kind of transportation are they parking? all that good stuff and so it took a while to accomplish. also to get permission and i included it and i am not going to go over it and i think that if you take it home and take the time to look through it and you might have the good questions and we can agendaize it under the separate item so we can have a discussion on this topic if it is the present's desire to do that. so take a look at that, because i think that it is the beginning of something really interesting. i wanted you all to welcome sean burke who is sitting right here. and we finally did it. we hired a new, sound inspector and so here he is today was literally his first day and so i am going to ask you to not

ask the questions about venues does not know yet but he is going to learn and you guys are welcome to, you know, say nice things, or welcome him, in some way. and he is going to get right to it. so, i am just glad that we finally got someone in the chair over there and now i am going to work on the second position that is available. also, i wanted to remine the commission again, the retreat, i finally got the date settled which is march 29th, which is going to be half a day on saturday, the location is still tba but put that in your calendars and hold sort of the 9 a.m. to the noon or one. and open for that retreat and if any, if there are a few among you who have not been to one yet. and so you will find it fun, i think. and the summit is schedule for april 27th, and i know that is close together, but it worked out for the auditor um where we will be taking this will be taking place as usual and so that will be one to four p.m.

on april 7th if you can make it. and the night life and tech panel the second installment that we did at public works and we are looking at the chapel and although it is coming fast, early in february, it looks like the potential date, but until it is settled, for good, i don't have anything specific for you. but we will, i will keep you informed, if it does not happen, within the meeting time frame i will send you all an e-mail because it is an interesting one, and i think that we are going to focus on the discussion of the closure, of the live music venues that have been happening and we mentioned here. and so, that is pretty much all that i have, unless you have any questions, there were no corrective actions between the last meeting and this one. >> i would just have one question, do you know why mta chose the polk street? >> they chose it because we sat and had a conversation with them and based on their resources we felt like it was the easiest way and what i mean by that is they had a few

interns, you know, a limited period of time. and it was to us, the most effective way also, because then we had brought in some operators to help get to facilitate their patrons answering, these survey questions. and it was just, we felt the most effective use of the limited resources that we had. >> and could you tell me what area? was it like from geary to broad way? >> it is between bush and sutter. >> i think that is what it said. >> that was the effort. >> and so, again, don't want to say that this is the grand of the light night transportation in san francisco because it is not. it was basically mta saying that we have a window of time and a little bit of resources how can we start to ask people and document what the needs look like? >> okay. >> so thank you. >> that is it. >> okay. >> that is a start. >> i got it.

>> commissioner lee? >> can we, or using mta will expand to the different areas like soma? you know, because there is a lot in the tonal? >> i have no idea. but based on how we moved forward in this commission, i will ask them for whatever it is you want me to. >> commissioner akers? >> yeah, so it seems like then, if they had more interns, then maybe more projects like this could happen. so that might be good to know, is how difficult getting an internship is and what we can do as commissioners to plug. >> right. >> internships with mta. >> okay. >> more of this. >> okay. >> so could we request an actual study a second study of a different area? i mean, assuming that there are different traffic and transportation patterns? >> i think that what the best case scenario is that if you would take the time and take a look at what was involved in sort of the survey instrument, and because you might also and

it is not just about where, it is about what the questions were asked. you might find that there are things missing or that you would have asked in a different way, and then i think that it is more appropriate if you, if the president or another commissioner decides to create a new agenda item, i am happy to ask mta to come here and talk about what they did and the resource these have. i can't request a study without paying for it, and i will tell you right now and i don't have the funds in our budget to pay for them to do a study but there are all kinds of ways to get things done. >> great, commissioner akers? >> yeah, and if you could maybe follow up and ask them, where the interns were from and what... >> i am happy to do it, and i am thinking that if we put an agenda item on, i will have the mta come here and you can ask them. >> okay. >> so, i would like to do that. put an agenda item on. >> all right wh, we get there. >> right. >> but i will do it at the end. >> thank you. >> all right. any other comments or questions?

to director report? >> if not, we can open it up to the public comment. >> is there any public comment on director's report? seeing none. public comment is closed. there is nothing to vote on, so we will move on to the next item which is the police department comments and questions. and so officer and any other officers that wish to speak. please come on up. >> hello commissioner and staff, central station, it has actually been a pretty quiet last couple of weeks that we have not had a lot, we forwarded all of the reports down to the entertainment commission, but there really was not that much going. and probably the biggest incident was at the condor, 300 columbus and i stand in front of you a couple of times a month a lot of times what the clubs are doing wrong, they did not do anything wrong whatsoever. they had, and there were they were working the door and four

intoxicated people came up and refuseded entrance into the club and they did the right thing and then the four, one of the four people said that they would come back with a gun and shoot the door man and the police respond and no gun was found but two of the people were arrested for being drunk in public and the other two were released and i think that is just as important to announce the things that the clubs are not doing right as well as knowing what they are doing things right. and other things that were steps that in the seller, and the last one that we have gotten two complaints regarding bars or clubs in the area, one was the cafe royal and 800 post and a noise complaint and blocking the sidewalk, they determined that the sidewalk was blocked but did not feel that the noise was accessive for the evening as far as for what was going on the night life. and however, one thing that i did check the conditions, and it says that there shall be no noise coming from the club. and the other one was jones,

and that is 620 jones and i received an e-mail complaint that noise had gotten worse in the last three weeks. and i ask askeded the complaint to describe what the noise complaints were and i have not heard back and we are going back and forth on the e-mail and i did check the cads for that area and i have not seen a lot for the last three weeks. and so, i think that once i get more information, as far as what the actual noise complaints and then i will have more information for you. any questions or complaints? >> i have got,... on the cbd in the meetings, i guess, you are part of those meetings when they have the discussions about adding more security for the side? you know for the outside of the clubs you know to assist with, you know, so they don't, they can help out without, having the cops, you know, always there. >> yeah, we have been in the talks, from the beginning, that was, and it was not just the businesses, and it was just very nice to have the community

and the police and the da's office. and even the sheriff's department, in the beginning, working together. and so we still have a dialogue with that. and i would say working with the clubs and letting them know kind of what we expect if they are going to have a large event we expect them to let us know. and we also expect them to be able to contain either hiring more security, or making sure, you know, if the services are going to be an issue, pull the bottle service, that is a business decision that they will have to make if they make the wrong decision, >> what about the two security guards that they had before and that was walking the beat on broad way are there still there. >> the private security? >> yeah. >> i think that they are still going and they are still. >> is that going to be kind of ongoing. >> it is still ongoing? >> yes. >> okay. that is all i got. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and is there any public

comment, on the police reports? >> all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. and we will move on to item 6 when is the hearing and possible action regarding the permit applications and i will hand it over for the deputy commissioner. >> thank you, very much commissioner, and mr. president tan and commissioners we have actually two items that were agendaized for tonight, the first one is jose escolero doing business as la oficina and 4234 and mission street, and he requesting a entertainment permit. and would like to provide entertainment there was been a permit there since 1988 and so it is something that he would like to continue. and he is limited with english, but he has brought along blanca who will help him and so you can come on up. >> i wanted to mention that there are neighborhood concerns about it and i have given you some letters that would be in

your binder. and also, the station has provided recommendation and there are a couple of them that you would want to pay attention to and one and two, one limits the time of entertainment. and two, limits the time that alcohol can be served and i am not exactly sure if that is something that this commission can dictate. and then, also, maybe since alu is here they might want to explain, abc 257 and we do have the abc permit here and however, there are conditions on that permit that i have not seen, we only have the actual permit and it says seven conditions. that is something that you guys can discuss. >> hello everyone, my name is blanca and this is jose and he is the owner for 4234 mission

street. >> he has been the owner for about four months now and he wants to continue the entertainment permit, and however, it says here from the station respectfully asks that the entertainment commission considers that when the days of live entertainment to friday and saturday, and in hours of live entertainment from 7:00 to 10 p.m. and they usually have live music. they usually have music fridays and saturdays, it is from 9:00 to 1:00 a.m.. and he would like to continue with that.

on his days off he would walk to the bar and drive to the bar to make sure that the street is clean and he has a sign outside for the low noise for the neighborhood and i know that it is a residential, and about 50 percent residential. he is always you know, looking out and making sure that everything and the noise is well and he is always and on his days off and he would like to continue with the entertainment as far as the music. >> he is always aware of, you know, people that are intoxicated. he will make sure and he will

call the security guard and call the cabs and make sure that everyone gets home safe. the bar has been there for 50 years. pretty much a neighborhood bar. pretty much on the look out to make sure that everything is fine as far as people getting home safe, cleans up the streets. and tries to make sure that people keep the noise down as far as the people leaving the bar and coming into the bar and he tries to follow, you know, all of the rules as much as he can. >> as far as he is taken over the bar, the four months that he has been the owner of the bar and he has had no issues as far as the ambulance, incident and the police and you know, the people starting any, you know, situation outside of the bar. >> great, i think that we have some questions for you. let me just kick it off before

i hand it to the other commissioners. and so aside from being a new owner, has there been any changes from the previous owner to now about how the type of entertainment or the, you know, the kind of hours that you are running the shows? >> he just tries to keep the noise and the music down, a bit. and it is still the same entertainment as the previous owner. >> okay, great. >> i think that commissioner joseph had a question or two. >> and my first question is who filled out his application? >> it was one of the family

members, it was james. >> and did they give that information that appears in this application? >> he is aware. >> he says under item three, he is going to have in-house security, is he aware that he has to register with the state of california in order to do that and take, you know, does he, and could you ask him that? >> yes. >> they are licensed and he is aware of that. >> he is aware that he has to

register? >> yes. >> i am curious to know if his or if there is no crowd problems, and the bar is, you know, on the really quite calm, why does he feel like he is going to do pat downs and back checks? why does he feel that he needs to do that? >> as far as checking people at the door? >> yeah, pat downs and bag checks is what it says here. >> okay. >> i am using his words. >> he said that they already do it as part of the security guards, they pat people down just to check the bags. >> that was an ongoing process. >> yes. >> okay, great. >> and then if he has no designating smoking area, does he just assume that people are going to go to the curb and

smoke? >> they just go outside to smoke, in front of the bar. he does not have a designated area to smoke, everyone just goes outside to smoke. >> all right and then there is a question that says, how will you deal with associated noise issues? and he wrote, we will control the music level. what about other issues like people making noise when they leave the bar? or, when they come to the bar? how does he intend on dealing with those issues? >> he will just approach them nicely, you know, he will let them know to keep it down, because it is a neighborhood bar, you know, there are people

living around the area and he will just tell them to leave, or he will call a cab for them. or if they are too intoxicated. >> okay, thank you. >> commissioner hyde? and commissioner akers? >> so, four months you have owned the bar? four months? >> yes. >> and have these, or is this the first time that you have owned a bar? >> yes. >> okay. so, i just want to say, like, i heard try as much as he can, i think in [ speaking in a foreign language ] all of the time, 100 percent, okay? because you have to take the neighborhood into consideration, and we are a denser city and it must be [ speaking in a foreign language ] always. to do it, no, you have to have

your security patrolling. and then, it also said that you have not done any neighborhood out reach? okay. he has looking into that right now. he has had his clients and they have been coming there for 30 years. and pretty much reach out and bright letters to you guys. >> it is a new, it is a new owner, correct? taking over a new job. and one of the biggest problems that the night life has is integrating into the neighborhood that surrounds it. and even though i heard at a meeting not related to this issue, that things are actually better as far as the teravel police new with the new owner.

>> angelside. >> i always say the wrong one. the thing is to integrate a business, into a neighborhood, you have to do the community out reach. and that sets you up to do your best. and to be someone who is supported by the community. and allows you to work with them so that when changes are needed, that there are people there to support you in those changes, it is not just a punishment. >> so, that needs to happen, and that is really you know, for all of you, to have the best benefits. okay?

you can go to our website to find the neighborhood links in your area. >> that has to be done. >> okay. >> sure,. >> commissioner akers? >> how frequently do your bartenders refuse patron's alcohol, and stop serving them after they reach intoxication levels? >> conditions? >> [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> they will just refuse to serve them alcohol, you know, they will give them coffee or water. >> how frequently? >> how often does that occur? >> [ speaking in a foreign language ]

>> usually on the weekends. >> okay. >> and because some of the community complaints that we are looking at from the immediate neighbors is complaints about patrons urineating in the driveway and that implies that people are way overly intoxicated in or there is not enough access to the bathrooms or i am not sure what. have you been in direct communication with any of your neighbors about the complaints that they are having with your patrons? how do you guys actively monitor your patrons outside of your building?

>> they are coming from the other block, they are not leaving the bar. >> he said that the security guard tries to patrol the area and makes sure that everyone is okay and he will clean up the cigar butts, that the people go outside and smoke. and he has tried to reach out to a few neighbors in the area, and but since he has been there, there has been one

incident as far as he knows. >> one of the complaints is that there is a language barrier, with some of the neighbors who i guess are english speaking and that there is, and it is mono lingual spanish speaking staff and that is probably heightening the tension between you and the community next to you. so, what is your plan for addressing that, and what is your plan for addressing, because, it seems like these reports are more than one incident of people vomiting and urineating in their doorway and they are blaming you, they are blaming your bar. so how do you plan to address that both of those? the language and the behavior of the patrons as they leave? >> his business parter speaks

english and he was going to have a meeting they are going to sit down and he could not be here today. they are going to try to do community out reach and you know, the neighbors, try to

reach out to them and you know, i am just going to go over this with him after. but he plans on reaching over to his business partner. so providing a number to the neighbors where they can, or somebody who speaks english or if they can talk to, >> right. >> would you consider your bar, a neighborhood bar with regular patrons? , the same faces, the familiar faces that you see frequently? >> yes. >> he considers it a neighborhood bar and it is open to everyone. >> so the complaints imply to me that people are being overly

over served beyond enebriation in other words, they are shit-faced drunk, and so maybe building more relationships with your patron and talking about appropriate behavior outside of bart and putting up the signs and having the communication with your neighbors and trying to work with them because those types of nuisance can heighten people's annoyance with your bar so that even the sound becomes unbearable, do you see what i am saying? you need to start working with all areas and making sure that you are responsible for cleaning up a certain amount of area outside of your door. so, >> yeah. 100 feet. so, i don't know if..., we have a good neighbor policy. >> we do. >> yeah, in spanish. >> and yeah. >> and yeah, because the phone is on, the good neighbor. >> are you aware of our good neighbor policy? have yo