permit and the 41 mission. and we won't continue on 4-1-11 on 18th street because we need more money to get the papers because we buy the trailer and i don't have enough money to continue the paperwork. that's why we don't continue with the paperwork. i did not receive the letters because they stole the mail from my house. when i went to the dpw, they said if you want to continue this paper, you need to appear. that's why we appeared for the purpose because it was denied. >> i didn't understand, you didn't receive the mail? >> yes, because it was stolen. the gate, they don't have a lock. the owner, they don't

change the lock. because they have stolen my check from unemployment. that's what happened. because we are not receiving sometimes the mail. >> okay. >> mr. castillo, the department's brief indicates that there was a period of time of about almost a year 1/2 between when you filed the application and then that october date when you went in there, you were saying that it took you that amount of time to raise enough money to be able to open the second location? is that correct? >> exactly. >> but were you aware that you needed to pay for that permit? >> yes. we tried now to get the permit because i already paid my trailer. i already finished and we tried to continue to get another permit for 4-1-11, 18th street. and we can start the paperwork.

>> you've already purchased a second trailer? >> not yet. but we start to pay the bills when we start the permit, we start again like the new permit. >> so, you went into office on october 4th, correct? >> no. i went in november or december. >> okay. the briefs that the department has provided said that you came in on october 4th and they had requested payment in full and that you had spoken to somebody at that time and they said that you could comen the following week. >> yeah, i talked to stacy lee. >> is that, according to them it says that october 4th. >> i'm not sure. >> okay. when you went in

october 4th, you spoke to stacy lee? >> i'm not sure what date that is? >> on that day you spoke to the lady and she told you to come in to make the payment? >> no. she said they denied the application and i applied in march 6, 2012. >> thank you. >> good evening commissioners john quan with department of public works. it is correct, he did follow the process to acquire the permit. subsequent to that, he also had applied

for another permit for 4111, 18th street. he submitted the initial application and not submitted anything subsequent to that. we were waiting for the applicant to complete his package so we can continue to move the process forward so they have all the associated requirements for this permit. approximately july of last year, new legislation was introduced and passed which changed the permitting process for the mobile foods. we decided at that point, let's wait a little bit more for those people in the cue to make any revisions and lose the in inquire as to whether to continue to have interest in the mobile food facilities program. that was september

23rd after a couple months of waiting we sent a notice to the applicant stating we are waiting for you to make this decision and then we had another individual apply for a mobile foods facility at that location also. this is the case where the department determined that the current applicant must make a decision to either move forward with the application or we have to let a new applicant have the opportunity to apply for that site. we provided the information to the applicant at the end of september. it was certified mail to him. it was returned and we e-mailed him with the exact information telling him what he can do to move forward. it was acknowledged by the applicant via e-mail. subsequent to

that, at the mid-point of october, october 16th, we sent the applicant a certified letter again stating that because of inaction because of we requested for action, we have determined that you have abandoned the application and formally deny your permit and that was the trigger for the applicant to come in and appeal the decision. >> what date was that again? >> the date was october 16th was from the status history that shows that the certified letter was sent out. it was subsequent to that that the applicant came to us to try to initialize it and at that point it was too late because we went to move that forward to allow another applicant to apply for that spot. that's not necessarily means that if

this applicant choose to move forward and the permit cannot be approved, the current hot dogs could not apply for it at a later date if there are no permits approved or applied for or alternatively identify a location that they may want to apply for. this is one of those cases that we don't want applicants to identify a location that they believe is -- >> and sit on it? >> exactly and wait and we stem -- sell the permit to somebody else. >> he's in cue until that, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> at the mail you say he acknowledged i don't see it anywhere in my packet. do you have a copy of that?

>> i have a status history. i don't have a copy. i have e-mail. >> do you recall how he acknowledged or what he said? >> i'm not sure. any other that an -- e-mail was sent out and stating this is the final notice and you need to take action specifically. >> okay. the applicant claims he came to the office on october 4th. is there any record of an interaction at the office. he says at that point he was told if he can come back with the money the following week, it would be accepted. >> when i heard about that i went back and checked the permit database to find out if there was any documentation of the visit and checked the task management law where staff track how much time was spent

on the visit. there were no documentation that the applicant came in on that date. >> one point, you said the registered letter came back? >> yes. >> i believe the applicant stated his mail had been stolen. >> i'm checking one last time. yes, there was a letter sent to mr. castillo and it was returned unclaimed in this case. that's how we determined that it did go through. >> how about the second certified letter? >> the second letter went to certified mail. i don't

necessarily see in this specific case of the ticket that stated that it was delivered, however we did not receive a return, something that was returned as unclaimed. >> what was the date of the e-mail? >> the date was september 23rd, the same time we sent out the letter. >> it wasn't in response to lack of response with the certified letter? >> no, we tried to provide both documentation by letter and e-mail so the applicant knows what's going on. >> can you brief us a little bit on how many of these applications are similar to this situation in terms of length of time? >> subsequent to july, we have sent out approximately 20

notices, i believe for people who are actually waiting because of how the initial legislation was set up. many applicants were waiting to figure out specifically what can potentially happen. the majority received objections resulted in directors hearings and approximately maybe half went to this board in appeal. they were kind of waiting to understand what their chances of having their permit approved and they heard about potential legislation and they were also waiting to see changes in legislation, how that would impact their business plan. >> so you are indicating two groupings. how many were there out of that 20 something?

>> with the permits issued along with the program, there were something between 80 permits for mobile food permits we issued from the new legislation. >> okay, but what i'm trying to find out is those that came here were obviously disapproved in one form or another. i'm trying to ascertain out of those that have been, how many have been disapproved because of lack of sufficient documentation? >> i believe the 20 letters were all very similar to that. they did not respond. we told them we would be denying

these because you did not take action. i believe this specifically because someone else is looking now at that spot. >> okay. >> one last question, how was this doing? >> it's doing well. >> he received this on the 15-day period of the october 16th letter. it's attached to the notice of appeal after the preliminary statement of appeals. the letter is the next document. >> this was sent out certified? >> correct.

>> last minute question. what is the department's position on the status that he's held this for so long. would they be truly offended if the permit was renewed? >> this was more of a trigger that for the department to really clean out all of these old permits and also the secondary portion if someone has already requested this location. >> because of the legislation that was passed in july? >> that is correct. >> so there is no huge push specifically on this one permit? >> no. as i stated, there is a change in legislation, so we are trying to clean up all the ones that have been sitting there that people are waiting to determine what the new legislation and how it would impact and secondly they are

looking at this spot and want it to move forward. >> okay. thank you, john. >> is there any public comment? step forward, please. >> good evening. my name is adam lavan. i have a pizza place. i object to anyone having a mobile car on that corner. that corner is surrounded by restaurants and one that has changed twice in the last 2 years. i would argue there was a change in the legislation as to how these permits got issued because there was a

contentious issue. every permit should be looked at and scrutinized carefully. if it was not approved for any reason, i would argue that that location shouldn't be approved under the spirit of mobile food trucks parking in front of existing brick and mortar restaurants. there is harvey's is literally across the street from it, there is a pizza place in one corner. it's a mideastern place and taco place. all of these places are paying property taxes and payroll taxes and the mobile food trucks they pull up during prime times and skim the profits and skim the customers and they are not paying taxes and not paying for anything. i would argue that any permit there should be denied and if it's just

the letter of the law to do this, i think we need to protect businesses. >> have you filed objections with regard to this particular site? >> this particular site i wasn't aware of until the last meeting. my partners and i have been in action to discuss what these are as far as the plan of where they can be in front of light businesses and the permitting process. we have been working with the ggra and trying to find what works and for those that want to do the mobile food trucks. that's fine buchlt -- but also a plan that allows someone to set up a brick and mortar restaurant to survive. >> you understand this is not whether this permit is here, but whether this gentleman is

allowed the conditional. there is a time to appeal. >> i understand. it shouldn't be authorized under any. it didn't follow the rules the first time then let's make the bar high. >> perhaps we need to clarify that this is an appeal of the disapproval. if it's granted, it is approval. is that not correct? >> this is an unusual situation. a complete permit of application as i understand it, complete permit application was not accepted because the information was untimely submitted. do you have a complete permit application at this point? >> no, we do not have a fully completed application because the applicant stated

previously he did not have the resources to take the very next step which is the public notification process. >> so at this point there isn't a permit to actually grant because there isn't a complete permit application. so we don't know what the permit really is or will he comply with all the permit requirements if you were to submit a completed application. >> that would be correct. there was no process to submit a permit. >> this is the same with at&t? >> this was similar but different. that was a notification that could result in a permit application. this is a permit application that is incomplete and in essence to be abandoned. and there is nothing in the code that allows it.

>> even which there is someone at the cue and there is a process and appealable point where public notification is given whether it's this applicant or another applicant in cue? >> that's correct. the challenge we face in this case is that it doesn't let us to close the permit. >> i think that's one way to go if the board were to decide that the permitee should be allowed to complete an application then complete the application and the permitting process starts for the applicant. the other approach which i think is a bit trickier is that the board, that the permitee submit the application to the board and the board would determine

whether it's adequately permitted and issued. the first approach is i think would be more consistent with what the city would do. >> okay, maybe my logic is a little bit simplistic. but there is a permit application. that permit application was disapproved. >> it was never actually submitted. they didn't allow him to complete it. it was partially submitted but not approved. they didn't review the mobile facility permit. >> the application was submitted. but additional information was required. however there is an application in. that application has been disapproved. >> that's the same as disapproving a permit. >> it's a permit application that's disapproved. >> the question is how if you were to grant that permit, do

you have before you the information necessary to support the elements of granding the permit, if you don't and you still want to grant the permit, how do we get you to that place? >> i'm not going that far yet. i'm trying to figure out if the permit application was accepted by the department and was not completed because of lack of information, but that application was disapproved. if we acted upon hypothetically, if we acted upon reversing that disapproval, then in essence that's an approval of that permit. >> correct. >> he would still have to complete the final. >> not necessarily. this is what i'm saying. >> i think the challenge that the board doesn't have before it in the record, the information required of a complete permit application

for a mobile food facility. >> you would have the permitee submit that information to you and you would receive it >> i understand that, counselor, but let me go to another instance then. there have been a number of cases in this board where an applicant submitted for a permit, they were not going to approve it because of lack of something and usually it's a lack of a change whether it's by planning for that permit. that permit applicant can then request the department to disapprove it so theca appeal it here. what's the difference? >> i think the challenge of evaluating whether the permit is co-compliant. in the building context you would be able to do that maybe mow

readily when in this context the permit application is not full enough with information to determine if it's compliant if all the information on the permit has satisfied >> if i can take another task with this, commissioners, because the permit was not submitted to dpw is asking you by telling the applicant theca appeal to you in 15 days then it's asking to take this option and consider whether or not the permit applicant timely submitted his application. it's almost like a consent situation because it's not truly a permit that was submitted. >> it feels like a jurisdictional issue to me. >> should we proceed with the

rest of the hearing? first of all i want to ask mr. pacheco if we can get the closed captioning on in the room. i see that it's not. is there any other comment on this item? >> seeing none, mr. castillo, you have 3 minutes for rebuttal. this is your opportunity to address the body. >> the only thing i need to ask is if you can give me a chance to continue the application i can do it again, all the paperwork because what happened before they don't have the money for all the paperwork at the same time because it's a lot of money to pay on my permit, it's almost $5,000. it's my first time to get a permit in 2012. we get a lot of papers and paid for it

and i paid for my trailer which is $20,000 and i used all my money to pay for the trailer. this is why right now, if there is one that is possible to continue to the paperwork. >> do you now have all the resources you need to complete the application? >> yes. i can start to do all the paperwork, i can pay all the bills now as when i started the first time. >> i have another question, it's your statement that you submitted to us that says that you went in on october 4th. >> i don't remember. >> did you go in personal ly? >> i went and talked to ms. stacy lee because they canceled the application denying because you didn't continue the paperwork. if you want to continue, you need to appear. i need to apply for the appear that's why she

gave me the address and that's why i seen mr. pacheco and i talked to him and he gave me all the paperwork we need to appear. >> excuse me, madam president, your statement submitted to our board, who helped you with your statement? did you complete this statement that was submitted to us yourself or did somebody help you? >> somebody helped me. there is like a community service. >> so the concern mr. castillo is that some of the information that you are giving us is a little different than what we have received in our briefs. so we are trying to figure it out. you said you needed more time and you can complete the paperwork. but i think specifically do you have the money to make all the payments the go forward?

>> yes. >> okay, thank you very much. >> anything else you would like to add? >> no. that's it. >> okay. thank you. mr. kwaung? >> commissioners, john kwaung from dposhgsepartment of public works. this was triggered because someone has applied for this location. mr. castillo has been given a year 1/2 to apply for this location and we should move forward to let someone have that opportunity. >> there is no permit yet? >> there is no permit yet going forward. >> how would you have in the record that you would allude to having that conversation?

>> since we moved to our new office we have a computer electronic sign in list so when people come in they sign in electronically and we verify that data and right now i don't have any information to support that mr. castillo was in our office. >> thank you. >> commissioners, the matter is yours. >> okay. well, there is no permit here. i don't think we have jurisdiction of this. it's a permit application in process. so my vote would be that we don't have jurisdiction to do anything at this point. it's an administrative, the dpw has administrative discretion to

deem it abandoned. that's my position on it. >> what you are saying is we shouldn't have accepted this appeal? >> right. >> i understand that point. i think it was confusing in trying to figure this out and i'm sure it was confusing for the legal side to look at this. but i would probably approach this slightly different in saying how can we allow some level of closure. i would probably allow him to complete his application because i think there is going to be appeals that the directors hearing and let them go through their process to determine whether it's an appropriate location and then we'll see whatever comes back to us. >> right, but what authority do we have to do that to do anything? >> i thought we had two op