facilities. that's my part and we said the business plan is going to have to be well-thought-out >> supervisor campos. >> thank you, mr. chair. thank you supervisor avalos for calling for this hearing i think it's long overdue. and following up on the question that supervisor avalos asked about oracle and mr. alison how do we know he lost money. i want to be sure we're careful about making statement we know their accurate. i imagine mr. alison will say he lost money >> this is in my opinion without reviewing the information i'm sorry you took had this as a fact. >> i wanted to make sure the more money you have the more

you're willing to play the violin and, you know, and complain about how bad things are yet i've yet to see the verification that mr. alison lost money and from the budget analyst report it's a thorough report shows it the city the general fund was hit, you know, people get the general fund at the tune of 11.5 million so i just think that we have verified that number but not verification of the numbers on the other side. >> i don't disagree with that. >> replacement when the america's cup was first brought up to the board and i went

meeting with governor newsom and his office. the way it was presented you would have thought san francisco 0 won the lottery and it's as large in scale in terms of the economic impact as the olympics are the world cup a that's certainly in a way it was presented to me. it's important to note that the actual economic impact was less than thirty percent than was first projected. it's important to note that promises were maiden with a scale down event that were not met and you know, i i think that

our brother from labor also pointed to a very important point if you can't do right by workers in san francisco where can you do right by workers in this state of the country. i'm not against san francisco hosting america's cup. but i want to make sure we get a good deal. and i know that mr. alison is good at norwalk for himself i think we the city needs to get better at that negotiating. if we're going to move forward with hosting this event we need to make sure there are delineated goals and those benchmarks are met and there's careful tracking of compliance

with those benchmarks because we know that for instance, if you look at the workforce ps that the event tolerate didn't work with the mayor's office in 2012 to route san francisco resident for event related contracts. we need to make sure we do something that's fair to everyone involved and fair to the taxpayers so did city i'm grateful and happy that some businesses bend love of the businesses on the waterfront don't share that prospective. you know, the views range if people who feel knoll to people feel it was more of a negative. so i think we need to have a

comprehensive assessment of what the benefits truly have been in going forward and making sure we're very clear about our expectations and especially clear about what's expected in terms of the contributions of san francisco taxpayers. thank you >> supervisor mar. >> thank you, mr. martin for the presentation. and also to the budget analyst for their thorough report. i support the conclusions of the budget analysts in saying any agreement between the future events host requires payment to the city other than services routinely provided by the city and on the local hiring issue thank you to the carpenters and others for insuring with the

workers finally get paid their fair share. i support the budget analyst report recommendation and make sure there's more a better local hiring and that the benefits our local workers and residents those commitments be strongly monitored and we have iron clad guidelines so they can't be violated again. i want to say as the bay area council presented this report with the estimated $1.4 million of economic impacts we as a city especially o e w d should have been looking at more careful that's a lessons from the whole period of the rosy report to the bay area councils follow-up from late last year as well as much

more critical eye and the economic numbers. i know that america's cup organizing committee made commitments of $32 million and how to make a better system it's not just a goal but there are clear benchmarks and we're at least holding those people account. i want to say as the port members came in kind of late how we can look at accident pictures to have a thorough economic number before us as we consider proposing to host again. a lot of the lessons i think my colleagues supervisor campos and supervisor avalos have made i agree with those but i hope we use the budget analyst report recommendation to protect the

general fund and holding those entities responsible. i visited erode the bicycle sharing transportation improvements to the america's cup and as the championships were being held and i appreciate the economic benefits and the point that if more than 14 participated it's more lynn like the estimated teams we're not in the economic situations but as one of the speakers said my hope is there can be commitment to having more than 4 teams as the process for the america's cup for 2014 moves forward. i don't know if mr. martin can talk about as the america's cup moves forward to light into it to have an adequate number of

teams that parliaments that impacts the city. >> supervisor mike martin. i would say that's certainly part for the dialog i hope the boats will encourage more folks to join. we have a push-pull here in our discussions so far we want to see a consolidated area where the teams are closer to the speculato spectators we want to fill that space out and individual the economic benefits >> i worry about if we hadn't had the come behind oracle team

we would be in a more horrible situations. is there any way to make sure there are more adequate teams >> i don't know if there's a way to guarantee your guaranteeing the acts of third pirates but we can sensitive that the next business plan will have to build that in we can't go from projects this time >> i appreciate the small businesses talking about the benefits but it's really difficult was there are interpretation commitments made and our general fund is taking a hit given within our deficit.

>> thank you, supervisor. >> all right. i just from my prospective mike i want to thank you for being her and thanks supervisor avalos for calling this hearing. we need to look back on this event. i for one you know obviously there are more than anything kind of lessons learned here i came into office and i remember the hype and those rosy projections tlrsz there's lessons learned about setting expectations einstein there were a lot of disappointment. but also the interplay between the organizing committee that

was all done on the fly. as we look forward and i'm hoping to get the america's cup back for 35. i'm confident we'll do it better from a city prospective. there are things be having to look at as well maybe some other point in the future but the economic impact to the city is what we received because those races were pumped will throughout the world. so not everyone went but those who did loved being a part of it. i love to promote those types of event in our city it makes san francisco a more dynamic place to live but we want to make sure we protect our assets. i think we ail agree.

so thank you, mr. martin to the entire staff and thank you supervisor avalos for asking those questions and let's moved on this together. unless there's any comments can i have a motion to file this hearing we can do that without opposition madam clerk, any announcements? >> no mr. chairman. >> see you a one we're

>> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those

earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the

weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it

bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't

tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances

buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits.

you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ?

>> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross

that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for >> hi. i am cory with san francisco and we're doing stay safe and we're going to talk about what shelter in place or safe enough to stay in your home means. we're here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco and joined by carla, the deputy director of spur and one of the persons who pushed this shelter in place and safe

enough to stay concept and we want to talk about what it means and why it's important to san francisco. >> as you know the bay area as 63% chance of having a major earthquake and it's serious and going to impact a lot of people and particularly people in san francisco because we live on a major fault so what does this mean for us? part of what it means is that potentially 25% of san francisco's building stock will be uninhibit tabl and people can't stay in their homes after an earthquake. they may have to go to shelters or leave entirely and we don't want that to happen. >> we want a building stock to encourage them to stay in the homes and encourage them to stay

and not relocate to other locations and shelters. >> that's right so that means the housing needs to be safe enough to stay and we have been focused in trying to define what that means and you as a former building official knows better than anybody the code says if an earthquake happens it won't kill you but doesn't necessarily say that can you stay in your home and we set out to define what that might mean and you know because you built this house we're in now and this shows what it's like to be in a place safe enough to stay. it's not going to be perfect. there maybe cracks in the walls and not have gas or electricity within a while but can you essentially camp out within your unit. what's it going to take to get the housing stock up to this standard? we spent time

talking about this and one of the building types we talk about was soft story buildings and the ground floor is vulnerable because there are openings for garages or windows and during the earthquake we saw in the marina they went right over and those are -- >> very vulnerable buildings. >> very and there are a lot of apartment buildings in san that that are like that. >> and time to. >> >> retrofit the buildings so people can stay in them after the earthquake. >> what do they need? do they need information? do they need incentives? mandates? >> that's a good question. i think it starts with information. people think that

new buildings are earthquake proof and don't understand the performance the building will have so we want a transparent of letting people know is my building going to be safe in it after an earthquake? is my building so dangers i should be afraid of being injured? so developing a ranking system for buildings would be very important and i think for some of the larger apartment buildings that are soft story we need a mandatory program to fix the buildings, not over night and not without financial help or incentive, but a phased program over time that is reasonable so we can fix those buildings, and for the smaller soft story buildings and especially in san francisco and the houses over garages we need information and incentives and coaxing the people along and each of the owners want their

house to be safe enough. >> we want the system and not just mandate everybody. >> that's right. >> i hear about people talking about this concept of resiliency. as you're fixing your knowledge you're adding to the city wide resiliency. >> >> what does that mean? >> that's a great question. what spur has done is look at that in terms of recovery and in new orleans with katrina and lost many of the people, hasn't recovered the building stock. it's not a good situation. i think we can agree and in san we want to rebuild well and quickly after a major disaster so we have defined what that means for our life lines. how do we need the gasolines to perform and water perform after an

earthquake and the building stock as well, so we have the goal of 95% of our homes to be ready for shelter in place after a major earthquake, and that way people can stay within the city. we don't lose our work force. we don't lose the people that make san francisco so special. we keep everybody here and that allow us to recover our economy, and everything because it's so interdependent. >> so that is a difficult goal but i think we can achieve it over the long time so thank you very much for hosting us and hosting this great exhibit, and thank you very much for joining

>> good morning.