building and what this would do to the cost thought that process took two years. unbeknownst to anyone we were at the bottom of the trough with the recession cycle the rest of the country slowly has been rambling up the bay area to our detriment has been taking off a a lot of competition >> it seems like the timing when we were at the 95 percent it hurt us so the costs we talked about last year didn't even get for the two year delay to the cost of this is significantly more. it's behind us we can't do much about it at this point.

the engineers estimates on some of the slides had pretty good big ranges what accounts for that why not a significantly engineer estimate >> we had a couple of schools of thought and one anticipated some impacts under the s b e participation. it was something we didn't and were not able to reconcile between web core and ourselves so what that range is accounted for quite a bit of the difference between the two engineers estimates. we showed them there was some question about that we're actually looking into that and will be reporting back if there are and what kind of impact the s d e requirements have on the bidding. it's something in the works and process but not completed yet

>> maybe in the april discussion we can better understand that. and then just so couple of on the glazing packet i think we heard about why some folks dropped out but a 3 year delay i think the slide said 2011 people were depositing out before the economy heated up do we know why people were dropping out my there were from the design standpoint when we started the glazing we had the glass panels so you could see through them we had contractors proposing supporting structures we felt were detrimental to the overall design of the project. when we went to the metal panels we decided that in particularly

in light of what's happened with the bids we noted to relax our bids that the sub structure was wasn't going to be as detrimental and we're inviting contractors back as i said that have their own unique patented systems so we're being a lot more flexible with entertaining and accepting those kinds of systems and designs. >> okay. >> just to add my understanding is that one of the 3 biders dropped out because they didn't could not combli with the project and the proprietor systems didn't meet the design intent so that left the two biders you remaining. >> so on to the design intent you're saying i guess i'm trying

to understand what would be different you're going to be having performance criteria i guess wasn't the case and here the budget how do you know that criteria can be met. >> a lot of what we're doing at this moment we're meeting with the contractors and explaining what we intended our design intent was soliciting their ideas to take into account into setting up the new packages. we're not taking a specific contractors system and putting it in but we're understanding what their systems are and having them understand what our issues are and trying to, you know, actually just market the project to these contractors this is a good project you ought to participate we're willing to take into account your ideas and

here's issue budget can we work together. they have to extensively bid and meet the criteria. the design 27b9 is something i think we'll bring back some of the ideas we're doing when their fully developed but it allows for more competition in the process and bids. you know, we're doing everything we can to get those bids in line we have 1.8 million so we understand the bid >> are reevaluating our performance to change that or even allow biders to bid on alternates instead of this much

light you'll get this much light. >> a couple of the symmetric those are code driven we're stuck with that but we are revisiting some of the rda to make sure we've begun beyond but to having a safe building it par monument we're balancing the requirements and make sure we've interpret them correctly and put those things in the new performance criteria so the contractors can you know take advantage of the economies that are there. >> and are we also looking at the scope the glazing for example, you said is a glass coverings for the elevators e.r. escalators that are up top from

the sketch the bus level had a glass enclosure although art closed at top. >> we're looking at because of the glass requirements it has to be fairly thick laminated section we're looking to change those out for lesser expensive but to main the protection for example, the rain doesn't get into the elevators. it's important to note all the things we're evaluating have are the underlying requirement we don't create issues down the road we've got a number of panhandles that are awarded we don't want to make changes that effect those because the change order is coming no to degrade

the contractors in the room by we were looking at the those unintended consequences and looking at the long-term maintenance and operation of the building we don't want to build a building okay. we got to done but it will cost so much to maintain it is a balance we're looking at all of those things into the greatest detail as possible >> okay. i guess my final question looking at steve's report and the construction milestones it's hard to see which package lines up but many have xeroflo i don't know if this float column is days. for example, we have 35 days of float on the exterior curtain

wally assume we're there before we do the rebidding which will exceed 35 days of interiors to 35 days of float. i'm not suggesting we shouldn't we bid but how do we recover the schedule because based on those new bid days we'll be in the negative >> we'll rescheduled to determine how much time for redesign and bidding and not delay the project. based on our face track effort with the design team to get those on the street we've made jachlt that won't result in the delay of the project. there are other by simplifying

the design is reduced the amount of time of the fabricating and construction but there are other things that are being looked like the procurement and installation as well >> so at some point will we see a revised this is january 27th will there be a revised schedule. >> yeah. the schedule will be updated in the next month. i imagine the most end update for april will reflect those changes and we're certain we have the time to rebid it so long as we rebid it >> okay. thank you. >> any questions? >> i appreciate your line of questioning. director reiskin and i know

you've imagined capital projects. this is a complicated project made more complicated by the rda and we're in a very bad bidding environmentalist is there anything else you think we should be thinking about doing >> i think if you look at the escalation charts and if you look at the skyline things wouldn't change but the quicker we can get the paged out to get the bid the better. we have quite a bit many, many panhandles to go after those 4 we were talking about and if we can learn lessons and be clean and not to directive.

other than the scope issues we don't have 80 time to redevelop the whole building but give alternates in the bids that will hope to stay within the budget later today, we will be asked to draw down reserves but this will go quickly before we're into the beautiful construction. >> that's a concern. >> getting things out face to bid is important. >> is there a question. is there anything we can do to clear the way for you to try new things? or do you have what you need >> i think we have what we need we have clear direction from marie and the rest of the tjpa

staff we have the budget we need and we have to do what we have to do it's a balance of performance criteria the maintenance, the budget. we'll get there. we're in reenforcing april 1st we're delivering a hundred percent cd e panhandle and additional cost savings things we'll issue after the april 1st so we're very much in favor of getting this out into the market as quickly as possible. so i don't see the changing in the next few years >> will there be a estimate accompanying the cd e. >> would you repeat and will

there be a new cost estimate. >> we have a revised cost estimate that was submitted in january yes. >> that's what we'll be presenting next month. >> i have - i want to echo a couple of the things that ed was saying. i think definitely as you breakdown the packages and you're going to put out budgets, you know, it's going to be all the more critical your cost estimating be very good otherwise your self-daef you're going to say that's too high and that's two low we have to show real expertise. you should have heard revisiting the rda be won't be

objectionable. the thing on the glazing when there was a glazing was talked about not wanting to take on design liability and we're still throwing those things out in a design build way. now is that going to continue to be a problem because i prime paling will i park and paling will i are still the design of record and all things will be reviewed by them and say that's a sdpien that's okay they're the design of record i don't understand why the concern >> i think the concern for the contractors was although it was described as a design build they were giving a design they were

to build and they were being asked to take responsibility for the liability of this design. we're saying our design intent is to, you know, build a building here that meets the criteria but if you design our own system and detail you urn system and design the bid for our system we have to have that bid where we need to be. they have on their staff typically engineers and all that who have engineered their own system they take the liability that that system works and we review them but they have the responsibility and liability for that the system they've designed and jergd themselves. it's a fine line distinction

>> you guys gave us a bid you designed and i want us to be responsible for it created anxiety. >> so you're going to be sending out less detailed packages so then at that point the design liability will be more likely in terms of they say - >> they'll take it on with their own system that's a prove that system in the market. if they can't take it on they shouldn't be bidding >> well, you, you know, those things don't perform everybody is brought in and someone who's overarching can say don't worry about we're fully on the hook anyway and sometimes donates the

project architect they're saying we're in the game maids. the other things i didn't since this is design build you've got issues with respect to supply and installation. i can see where installation is a local problem everybody's got work that's your problem but is it possible in some packages you can save so much ongoing to a supplier from the midwest or whatever who meets the criteria and an installer here and maybe be able to rather than say you go are going to supply and install that that case wherever

the supplier is they'll have to interact to a supplier who has plenty of work that maybe something that you can do somehow and figuring out whose - who is able to install it and who's on the job likes we talked about before. because of that preexistence in relationship they're able to say i can look at the document and bid it more sufficiently >> and that's exactly what happened with the steel i don't know if you can picture some of us with the hard hats on in kansas where the cast nodes are being manufacturesed.

>> so long as it's by america we're coast to coast looking for anyone who be helpful us some of the contractors on the glazing package is in hartford connecticut so we're talking to everybody everywhere we need good bids. >> that's good to hear. so that's all my questions and i'm glad to see that a lot of attention is being paid >> directors i appreciate our comments it's helpful i want to point out under mr. for me guidelines we're supposed to update the rda and under good

conscious not to have a bid at the rda but considering the hundreds of thousands of people but if the component is driving the costs if we didn't have the money we didn't have the money. the fact we've done everything we could it's important to the board and public so thank you gentlemen we'll be coming back to the directors next more. briefly our arc cyst will be talking about the arc cotton of the construction site and good morning. i think marie has provided you with an excellent timeline regarding the burial that was

encountered on it's februar february 25th. that tuesday they encountered a human burial and the protocols were in place the construction stopped and we sent a popcorn to the sight it was a human burial and the correspondence sent two investigators to the site and the chief examiner came to the sight. the native american heritage in sacramento was sent and this person is selected from a list of native americans who put

their name on the lists and andrew goggling vin is the occur later at the - he's someone we've worked with and we understand his concerns and he understands audio arc colon works and the day after mr. goggling vin was a appointed on webs the day after me met with the pmc team and this construction folks and the l m.d. made his concerns known and agreed to provide recommendations that's his responsibility how the burial needs to be treat and where it needs to be returned. that friday, he provided the recommendations and accepted

them and we started to prepare a treatment plan that's the document that provides autopsying all the background information on who used to be here and perhaps the most important part was to deal with the burial and how it was going to be treated and the sorts of analyze so we can learn who this person was. the documented draft form was presented to the city and reviewed it very, very quickly we got it back on monday and finalized it and start the burial past it tuesday. the bowler was expected to be removed and it will come under the care of the most likely

descendant and our arc closet will work to conduct the analysis that to figure out how old this person was and the way they did that kind of information. that's where we stand we'll be at the project area we've continued to monitor while this burial was encountered and to continue with the construction outside of the area of the area surrounding the burial and it was monitored by other native americans and will continue until we're out of the section. i would like to point out this whole process has taken two weeks and in san francisco that's a racket thing i'm sure you can appreciate.

i have to comment the city planning department in the form of randell and the others arc closets did american people exceptional job to move the process the fact that document was approved overnight is really remarkable we're in debt to them with virtually no impacts to the schedule. along the lines the pcm team who got us to this point out the folks and the turner jack adams have done an excellent job of making that smooth it's a racket effort on all folks parts >> go plan ahead.

>> i thought the excavation had been completed. >> no, it didn't start until that past tuesday. >> what part of the project was still being - the court: yeah. so the remains were discovered during the trenching and 3 and a half foot down to install that had we not had the gore thermal system this wouldn't have been discovered. >> i'm wondering it sound like the analysis is to be done any guesses you're willing to share and now and the likelihood of finding more. >> to answer the question between the time we met with the m l d and the plan approved we

brought in a geoarc closet that analyzed the stones and the burial was covered at the time but their interest isn't in the bowler but the matrix so they carpal tunnel syndrome the staff indication felt soil and come back do the site to take samples their preliminary guess is this could be 6 to 8 thousand years old the burial could be much younger it could be deferred sometime afternoon after the soil formation was created but the burial was probably one of the old even though in northern california. the second question it's

possible there are other burials but i think this is isolateed. with one possible expectation i shouldn't say the only one that's close is a bowler that was recovered down the street when they were building the arts station it was a woman who was yee very old. it appears that this burial our burial is a little bit older that was come to be known as bart woman >> we had a big problem on the mountain. >> we did that work as well.

>> you had a lot of experience they used mounds one hundred and 6 years ago. >> the people that built those mounds came in later this is as important as it is. >> sounds like you're doing fine. >> yes. we're preserving the past for the future it's interesting. the last item i want to report on we and turner attempted the february 27th partner center i know that director reiskin was there and mayor ed lee we wholeheartedly support the process so we'll be working with web core and engaging in the process what our trade various trades and will report