fillmore. they went into bankruptcy. they are the landlord.

call this number. we -- i did -- we did have a long conversation with valerie brown, who is supervisor, london breed's aid, and miss brown -- we discussed her problems with the thing, and she said trash and safety. we explained we had a extensive security plan, we have history with no security problems at other venues. trash, we hire somebody every night to sweep the entire block

after any event, so we think that'll take care of the trash situation. miss brown introduced us to cheryl davis, who's the executive director of collective impact and mo magic, which is one of the best community groups in the fillmore and worthy of our support. we've been in discussions with miss davis to see how we can help the programs. they have a lot of educational programs for youth in the neighborhood and we've committed to helping out with those programs. we're here for any questions you might have. >> commissioners, you guys have any questions? >> i do. >> go ahead commissioner campagnoli. >> good evening, how you doing? on the extended hours, it's

'til 4:00, 6:00, what? >> i think the code says 6 o'clock, but the re/al any of the situation would be with very generally what we're going to do is go 'til 2 o'clock to do a wind down, get them out the door. security -- you know, on a place this size, you're talking about 3 or $400 an hour on security and that's prohibited terms of selling red bulls and water so -- >> what's the capacity of this place? >> 344, i believe. >> commissioner hyde. >> is [inaudible] working with this organization as well?

>> yes, he is. >> i just want to say that knowing that, and in 2012 there's a permit in our office that hasn't been filled out completely and there's a place on sixth street that is open, operating, and yet we have a place where he's going to have some sort of control and issue with and i'm just wondering if there isn't an issue with him being too far stretched and having his hand in maybe too many venues or have them operate. >> in this particular situation, duck is basically a silent investor. it's going to be lily and jake

chen who are most in charge and those are the people on the abc permit. there are some in this group that duck has a hand in, but this one -- and i think lily can expound on a little bit more, but duck is basically an investor. >> okay. >> commissioners, any other questions or comments? i don't see any police commissions. >> i had a conversation with the permit officer earlier today and he had not submitted any because he felt the security plan, combined with the good neighbor policy was sufficient, but he ask that [inaudible] come. >> and the new permit officer there, right? >> he's been there a little while. >> okay, all right. any other questions? >> so can you describe the type of programming and kind of parties that will take place there? i know you said it's corporate.

is there a regular night of service and what promotors are bringing in. >> /shour, sure, we are a restaurant and lounge, kate /erbg catering to a lot of corporate events. we look forward to contributing to the community and working with cheryl davis and continuing the same exact program that we're carrying on at drake. >> okay. >> and when you did you neighborhood outreach, tell me a little bit about how that went. >> so we gathered a total of 15 support letters and 21 signatures on our petition. and again, i reached out to cheryl davis and -- >> that's more what i'm interested in. when you met with her, can you spell out how that conversation went. >> we have not met yet, but we're just talking on the email. >> a lot of times, i heard you

mention that you look forward to working with the youth and stuff like that. i want to make sure these people get a presentation of what you hope to do with the space. it's about tieing you into the fabric. although i think that kind of outreach and work with neighborhood is extremely important, it's also really important they know what your plans are so i want to make sure it's not just this is how we'll help the kids, but this is what we plan on doing with the space and our hours of operation. >> absolutely. >> thank you. >> commissioner perez. >> are you planning on booking events yourself or working with different promotors? >> no. this would be just an in house production, no promotors. >> okay, thank you. >> i wish you best of luck if you get this permit because i think it's a really rough area that i think several businesses

over time tried to figure out what's the right formula over there. bringing a program like drake could be a huge asset to the neighborhood, but i know it may not serve the actual constituents and clientele of that surrounding area so it'll be an interesting way for you to draw more people, whether they're outside the neighborhood or within. i know you won't run a community center, but when you're running a nightclub that has a really vetted community that may not afford your cover charge or feel like they're welcome, i just wish you the best of luck there and that, i don't know, doesn't seem like there's other commissioners that have comments so we're happy to bring up the alu. you guys can go ahead and have a seat.

>> good evening commissioners. officer al duarte. he had no concerns about northern station. the alu had concerns from a head quarters perspective. commanders wanted to make certain and clarify a few things. some cases specific to

locations and this particular case this location is sort of a heavily residential area, more so than anything. always been sort of a jazz lounge area. a little bit further down maybe

two blockings down into fillmore and gary. there is some concerns from the command staff. there are some concerns as to the hour permit that's being asked for and required when we already have a location that has -- i should say -- how can i say? zoned conditions that would probably not allow it unless you amended those. that was the question asked. >> so having said that, i wanted to clear also that there are some concerns from our command staff because unfortunately in some cases, not necessarily representative of the drake, but some of the sister properties have engaged in bussing people in, shall we say party buses and promotions. this is a concern for us. we wanted not to make this a condition that they shouldn't do that, but we wanted to bring that up to the commission and specify that we have some

concerns from this perspective. any comments or concerns. >> go ahead commission /-r er hyde and then akers. >> i was going to say one through four are covered in the good neighbor policy, so i wanted to ask you, as an abc person about party buses then. i mean, obviously, on the state level that's where they're regulated. is abc pursuing that on a state level. >> i don't work for the abc, i'm an abc liaison so we do more than that. i think over the last year-and-a-half we've morphed into a abc entertainment commission department of public health. >> i'm sorry. >> there are some concerns from the police department, obviously. the abc, the conversations that we have is something they don't

condition. it always will fall into the planning and zoning as it's dictated by the business and profession code that local zoning and local planning will always oversuper seed what the state wants to do with that locality. it's a concern right now in regards to the buses. so having been out with them -- officer methias this last weekend on saturday night, what we experienced was, as the buses were dropping off and then the buses were picking up, the -- define the word loitering -- these people had some business and purpose and that was to wait for the bus, but the exit was a little disorganized. i don't know how the premise itself can actually manage that, but what we saw were a lot of jaywalking, as you may know. we've talked about this before. the pedestrians being hit by cars and at a very dangerous rate.

that 's a concern to the police department. we also experience a lot of the people that were already inebriated trying to gain entry to other clubs within a half a block and when not allowed, causing an issue . it's great that atmosphere, in this particular case, what we saw was that just because you're calling ahead of time to say there's a bus coming to drop people off, doesn't make it okay. that is the concern right now is how to manage that. san francisco should be concerned because as we grow in population, we don't need people being bussed in from other counties and other cities only to leave a mess in san francisco. i'll get back to this particular location, that is one of the fears we had and one of the reasons i wanted to speak on behalf of the command staff and police department. >> do you know what -- have

there been a record of just calls for service to rosella's when they were operating. >> i didn't look that up. i assumed you'd been provided that information. >> when you're trying to paint a scenario of concerns about an area, that kind of evidence supports those kind of things. having an it's a little bit hard of a metaphor to use. >> yes, unfortunately alcohol doesn't see that distinction and impaired judgment doesn't either, so i'm not sure how to address that. >> i was just curious about the calls for service. if there were a high rate of them, i think that'd compel us more to say let's restrict this more. >> i'm not asking you to do that. i just wanted to clarify that point, but if we want to discuss -- calls for service don't always paint a picture. we have -- and this was

something i didn't want to bring up, but i will know. the pagota and dimples bar are two places that have abc licenses, very little costs, but they are now the abc license is being suspended for 60 days for having conducted itself in illicit criminal activity which has contributed to human trafficking so calls for service don't ever really present a big -- any other questions or concerned? >> and one bad apple doesn't mean all the apples are bad, so i think commissioner akers had a comment? >> yeah, i mean, it's not necessarily a question, more about -- >> discussion for us? >> these conditions that are 15 years old. >> you can hang on to that if you'd like to discuss it. i'm not asking you to. it was just clarification on

how a permit carries over other conditions. for abc licenses conditions carry over from owner to owner on a premise so that's what we're trying to care any. any. thank you. >> thank you. >> i wasn't up to the date on those was, but you're saying they're 15 years old. >> for the entertainment commission, conditions don't carry over. >> we have some recommendations. doesn't sound like they're fully codified, but potential recommendations to continue the conditions from the last permit. we don't have to consider these. they don't seem to be formalized. >> do you want to see them? >> yeah. i'm going to take public comment before we talk about it more so is there any public

comment on this? >> good afternoon, i was the owner of rosella's and i'm the current landlord. when we get the condition was -- when we first open [inaudible] 29 years from california and on fillmore and we never had any problem, we never had any security problem. we never had any problem actually. and so this conditions were made when we first opened on fillmore. the reason it doesn't -- ended it was two things happened. one was, i think the permit -- the police department permits was dismantled or something

happened to it. you guys -- >> yeah. >> the second reason was we didn't see the need as much because economically didn't make much sense for us to use it. for your information, actually there are a couple of operations at fillmore right now that are extended ed hours 'til 6:04. boom boom room and the rest aurant across the street. i want to comment about the bus situation. you have to understand when you're in that community, you need to bring a much more diversified, much more market based people in that area. otherwise it's not going to grow. and that's been the problem all along in the fillmore. i have to tell you, you know, if it's not as much as you are checking out, but i make sure that one of the things that impressed me about these /pepl when i give them the list is

one was the security plan, very extensive. the most important thing is i wanted to make sure their programming is in house program and that is, as you know, is a hell of a difference between in house programming and when you just start booking promotors and that's what i was concerned about. and they seem to manage this thing very well. any conditions, especially conditions because we didn't have bureaucratic situation is really limiting their ability to capitalize in the huge investment in that place. i think i have to tell you from a community point of view and from the business market point of view, they're coming into that area is they need your support. thank you very much. >> thank you. is there any additional public comment? no, i don't see any, so public

comment is closed. the matter is now with the commission. so commissioners, it looks like we did not have any police conditions on this from the station and from the permit officer, but we have an example if we want to create some conditions. >> i'd like to move to approve and i'm going to -- i don't know that -- i mean, i would like to have a better discussion about adding these conditions or not. i mean, the first four are in the entertainment commission's good neighbor policy. number five is no entertainment or dancing allowed after 1:30, but if they have an extended hours permit, you know, i don't understand -- i don't know why

that is there. and then extended hours shall be 2:00 to 4:00 am food service only. no entertain /-pl ment or dancing allowed. the hours should be a six month probationary period. then they will review to determine if there are any police problems. >> six and five are conflicting in the times, they say two different things. since permits would be reviewed by this commission anyway, that last sentence -- >> yeah. >> it's -- it was before this commission. >> yeah. >> wait, i mean, i think it said -- so 5 says no entertainment and/or dancing at 5:30, so they open, but have to stop the dancing. so they could open from 1:30 'til 2:00, they're just milling about. and then from 2:00 to 4:00 -- i

meaning, i think essentially they can still operate the business between 1:30 and 4:00, but they can't do any entertainment. >> under those conditions. >> yeah. so there's a motion to be approve with no conditions or with conditions? >> i'm going to say with no conditions at this point. >> commissioners, this is just because of officer had said based on the security plan, i don't know if you want to codify the security plan in the conditions at all. that's up to you. >> we don't usually -- >> yeah, i know we don't. i'm just saying that's the only condition he parened. ed presented. >> it sounds like no condition.

>> is there a second? >> second. >> all right, and then there's -- looks like there might be further discussion so let's leave it open. so there's a motion to second to approve with no conditions. anyone have issue with that? >> can we do this on a six month basis? >> yeah. we could condition that where they come back after six months. we've done that before. >> uh-huh, because this is going to be seven nights a week until 6:00 am? >> yeah. >> i mean, that's -- what -- 3:00? i mean, i had asked. >> technically the permit would be seven days a week unless we condition it. we say the monday to thursday thing is less hours or you could do any of that. >> that's what i would say.

>> so you're saying for six months provide stricter limits and then come back to us in six months? >> yes. >> so what would those limits be? >> the thursday, friday, saturday. >> extended hours? >> extended hours. >> until? >> 4 o'clock. >> 4 o'clock? the rest of the week -- >> and the rest of the week is 2:30 and then six months we come back, review it? >> okay. >> how does that work? /-frblgts >> we can't dialogue with them right now so we can maybe see some head nods if they want to shake their heads. did everyone get that? i think commissioner campagnoli is suggesting that we /ebg extends the hours to only 4:00 am from thursday, friday, saturday; sunday through

wednesdays, closing at 2:30. >> i'm just going to say that it doesn't sound like they're actually going for, like, a long extended after hours party place in their -- you know, and that, you know, it was really -- it's really just to be getting people out by 2:30. they're not really planning on going late. and then it would be special occasions where it would run late, is what it sounds like to me. so i think, like, in a six month period, i don't know how many special occasions we would have to look at or whatever. i'm just wondering why that six month period, i guess. >> so that we see how they're running their business. >> right. and then we would also do that if we were getting reports from the police or if we were called to there, or if neighbors called.

we would also find out how they were running their business then. >> true, we would. but i don't think it's a bad practice to say put six months to it and have them come back. they may only have one special event to refer to. unless you want to suggest nine months. >> no, i'm willing to accept six months. that's fine. >> there is a motion without conditions at this point, but there's a recommendation to add them. are you willing to amend your motion? >> add what? to come back in six months? yes, i am willing to. >> is there a second? >> i did, so on the motion -- and just to clarify, the one condition on every permit is the good neighbor policy with those 15 conditions.

for six months to allow extended hours thursday, friday, saturday until 4 am and to review in six months on that motion. commissioner perez? >> i. >> akers. >> i. >> hyde. >> i. >> campagnoli >> i. >> president tan. >> i. >> so moved. >> great, good luck. we're going to move on the agenda to item number six which is commissioner comments and questions so commissioners, you got -- have comments and questions? all right, commissioner hyde. >> no, it's not a comment or question, sorry. >> that's fine. >> i caught myself this time. >> any other comments or questions? >> is it possible to get a schedule of the permit, especially daytime just so that we can get a heads up when there's big events coming up on

the /hor -- >> what? you would like a >> we can put that together? >> especially holidays. >> you mean the past or up coming events? >> i think to see what we've done in the past. >> you want a list of our one time event permits. >> and up coming holidays. >> mm-hm. >> any other questions or comments? any public comment? closed. next item is item seven, future items and new business. >> next week i'd like to add -- or in two weeks i'd like to add a discussion around the broadway, what the legislation that david chiu has -- i think that we as a commission, since it is fitting, might want to

have another talk about that, is my feeling. >> did you want any sort of action, or just a discussion? >> discussion, possible action. >> and commissioner, would you request that a representative from supervisor chiu's office come to update any changes? >> either that or have them available for us to read. >> okay. >> or if they want to come and tell us what's going on, that would be great, but -- >> i think it'd be great if they could come present so we have someone to talk to. >> okay. >> any other -- >> next week, i just wanted to say whenever they can make it. >> okay. >> any other new business items? >> do you guys want to talk anything about, you know, broadway's party bus situation or that's something kind of beyond our scope. seems like we're all tangled up in it all the time. >> i'd like to say i brought that up, you know, several times in my team time here on