i oppose this it's some kind of bear in the big picture. i you know how about the city paying those amendments to the landlord and save the landlords for supporting people who don't want to support themselves that's an article. and anyone want a way to exit in case something happens and ellis act is a safety net in case something happens in life they decide encourage the owner from renting this will take rentals off the mark. so i wish you to consider the tenant who wants to come to city

to work and expand the city economy not just the tenants in the city we want to grow in the city and rent control eventually should be out. and the rent will be down and everybody can rent their house and the tenants, you know, can rent their houses easy and they move out and they move away this is the big picture i think >> thank you. thank you very much. next speaker >> hello, everybody he speak english maybe i speak cantonese i need a translator.

>> (speaking foreign language.) >> ms. young she's a small

property owner living in a top opt and renting out illegal unit the tenant has not been paying rent for 2 most and she's been kind and trying to let them stay in the unit but up to a point she may have to start doing evictions and the ellis act maybe the way and with the relocation fee it's hard almost impossible to get the renter out this is a hardship for her and on the case that this law and many, many rent control lazy are harsh it small property owners she feels like she's living in communist china and hope you'll

help us get on to our lives. >> thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> supervisors i'm flip i'm strongly against this legislation. i'm also a mom and pop landlord. and hardships to landlords tenants don't have a monopoly on hardships. supervisor campos talked about the big picture i commend him trying to solve the issue but the mom and pop landlord didn't create the problem yet we're the ones be punished the most. in fact, in my case i've don't like to use the word but i've

been subsidizing my tenants and i've let that for a period of time. one day i may want to decide i don't want to be a landlord anymore and i may want to sell the place or do someone else. i don't know if any business where you are forced to stay in that business or if you leave that business your berntd financially. i'm forced to remain a landlord to stay away from the fees. there's got to be a better way a better way to solve the big picture without attacking the most vulnerable landlords who are the mom and pop's. we're the ones with the

long-term tenants and we're the wonls if we like our tenants we let them stay there and not have the old homes we're the ones that spend all the money to maintain them. there's got to be a better way >> thank you. next speaker. and i'll call another card >> what a process this is my first time. i wanted to you wish i was any kind of landlord a mom and pop anything but i'm not. but my grandfather left russia and they took three houses away from him and made him fix them up and he decided to go to freedom he went to iran. the ellis act is a dirty word is a way of freedom out for some

people who in the morning want to be landlord and to keep pitting fees on p them an unreasonable. as the young lady said it's definitely a smack of totalitarian regime. so far as the unintended consequences people who are perhaps thinking of selling their building 2, 3, 4 or 5 years or leave the building to their children they're going to ellis act and do it now you're going to see a unintended spike in the ellis act. it's also too, you know, harassing as many landlords spoke they're not the weighing it you have to consider a

different perimeter for the kind of buildings that you would consider. many of my clients can't afford statute of limitation r sfaiment homes and two or three of them get together and buy a little and only can buy a vacant building. you can't penalize those people theirs not the woeth it that's my $0.02 >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> hi, i'm a small property owner and move forward to united states more than thirty years ago so i was to excited at that time to move to the freedom country so i plan for my futures for me and my family i work two or three jobs so we owned the

property it's a single-family i'm not rich but as you know as a landlord here the income can barrel cover mortgage. a property tax and we have to come up for maintenance actually we're not have actual money from the rental the only thing we pay more so if i want to get the property back from my son the landlord is penalized the small property owner. so i really, really it is unfair to the small property owner. thank you. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> thank you. i just want to know what the definition of a hardship is. when i first bought any property

here i was working 6 to 7 hours a day - have to 7 hours a week day and 14 hour days to buy a property which i ended up i'm sorry. i'm a little bit nervous to submit someone for the rent i was collecting i get rid of it i couldn't afford the payments. then i bought any second property the same thing i'm working my butt off to try to save and hopefully collect rent i don't expect to collect social security but it took me 18 years to break even on the costs including insurance and maintenance and everything right

now, i'm breaking even and now you're going to smack another fee and i have to pay whatever the difference is for two more months even though i'm subsidizing these guys for years it's not right or fair what's our definition of hardship me sending my kids out to a public school or someone who is spending 5 weeks out of the year their easterner $1,000 a year or working under the table on the market collecting payments from the government and collecting under the table money. what do you consider hardship what's considered intangibles how that that i have to put in

>> thank you, mr. turning. >> thank you with the coalition for better housing. i want to discuss the hardship you talked about mr. wiener. i find it distressing when we talk about the hardship for the property owners it's called waste of time. it maybe symthat there are many, many evictions going on and he appreciate that but we need to do it in a fairway and having people feel bad about discussing is it not good. we spent last week listening to people make fun of other people in the room and the constituencies and the people

they represent. what's appropriate for a fair and equitable way to address the hardship issue to be found for both landlords and tenants and as you stated the applications for those hardships should be similar and consider the same things obviously for someone who owns a property especially mom and pop owners overtime their retirement is the property. and that needs to be take into account. i appreciate your work and hope we can find an answer to the issue >> thank you. next speaker. >> i'm going to speak for a lot of people asian-american voters that we are comprised of chinese

preps o small property owners. ellis act relocation fee really hurts the small property owners the most because it will confiscate one of the two ways left to keep our property living in the top opt and representing the bottom unit and with the mayors suspension of removing illegal unit we can't, you know, get the illegal unit back anymore equipping expect with the ellis act. and people who relocate to another city with the illegal unit that mr. chiu proposed when i do an o m i you can only get

think the one floor but not the lower unit the ellis act is the only ways to get back bottom floor. and you live in one unit and rent the others we have to ellis act to get back the other floors. at this it's mind boggling f it in any circumstance during retirement or volunteers or death bankruptcy or out of business or probate issue or inheritance issue we can't do the ellis act. we're not able to dispose our property it's costly to our lives. most of the times - >> thank you. thank you >> and also being penalized.

>> thank you. ms. thank you >> everyone gets the same amount of time. >> it's hard to get - >> many thank you. everyone gets the same amount of time >> the same - >> appreciate it. >> i just wanted to testify we get some testimony about evictions in this ceremony we heard we're in the midget of a eviction epidemic from last week to this week and the ellis act is the driver and if we're in the city and county of san francisco the ellis act itself would be readily by a landslide

of the voters and held by the majority vote of the board of supervisors we're talking about relocation should the law exist at all and it shouldn't. and paying relocation to utilize the ah, ah ellis act it should have been passed by the board already >> any additional comment on item number 5. yes. i'm sorry you spoke already >> it's on, on issue. >> each person gets the same amount of time any public comment on item 5 seeing none, public comment is closed. commenting >> thank you. i know that some of the folks we had last week aren't here but i was wondering

if mop has the vibrations ellis act think two unit buildings from the city. i know we got a survey last week. i'm sorry no, no i actually wanted real numbers so not just antidoteal evidence >> i know there was a survey done on the ellis act anti mapping project i was wondering if anyone had information on two unit buildings from the previous year by either the rent board if anyone has that information. >> okay i'm sure that's

objectionable. >> i would be curious my sense from the data presented last week that most ellis act are not in the buildings of that size and the vast majority are done by corporations and we have an option for owner move in and ellis act is not the only way if you truly want to live in the building that's another way to do the evictions. i'm sorry this is not a discussion i thought it was a comment i wanted to make that t is maybe we can get the information between that and land use today so we can get an understanding.

this is not a decision >> please. i want to get information on the point you brought up to see the data behind it. >> to the members of the public we have given the same amount of time for everyone. >> i want to learn more about the breath of the comments. >> so i just want to say - well, first of all, a motion? >> i'll make a motion to forward this with recommendations. >> okay. so the motion by supervisor kim is to forward item 5 to the positive recommendations i will be supporting the motion. as i said last week, i still actually remember when we passed

the voters the passed the ellis act relocation to 52 hundred and looking at where the rents are could i in the city boy have time changed in the city. i know that heard a week going goes by where i don't hear about a new ellis act in my district not only other district but they really raise again, i mentioned one particular landlord is ellis act 4 different buildings and just about every ellis act eviction i hear about seniors in the building and those are long-term tenants i don't want to deny congratulate the concerns that have been raised

especially by small property owners and we need to strike a balance there can be a lot of the views about the balance but we have a major problem it's not just ellis act evictions and mop who says solve the ellis act and it will solve everything not see we're in a boarder issue when the rents are $3,000 a month and people need to a move for all sorts of reasons and people who have to move they're in trouble. i do want to say that i take issue with first of all, the claim that we've heard last week coming close to denying the

existence of the mom and pop there's a range i take issue. i take issue with the claim if you start talking about the details of the legislation you're denying the core of the legislation or you shouldn't be talking the details i think it's our responsibility as a committee to probe into the big picture of the legislation and the way the legislation is going to be administered and the detailed that's our job at the san francisco land use & economic development committee so i did impress concerns about the delegation to the rent board especially the rent board is not telling us how 80 that process is going to happen.

i'm concerned that the author of the legislation is not tlilz what they're going to do and i've impressed concern about the delegations of the controller of delegations under mr. egging on as had that in writing so no legislation is perfect and this is certainly no exception to the rule but it's appropriate to increase the relocation payment for people evicted under the ellis act so i'll be supporting that. so colleagues there's a motion to forward to the full board that positive recommendation commissioners, can we take this without objection? that will be the order.

madam clerk, any other business before this >> there's no further business. then we are adjourned hey guysh the businesses it was the birsdz

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