haven't had any contact with him and if that was the case, why was he approached in that manner and what was implied that -- what did the officer see when it implied he was unstable. he was in open space. look at the size of this room. you into -- need a microphone to hear me correctly. i need to know what you heard him saying if you are saying he said that. just please be accountable to our community and know that we are watching you guys too. [ applause ] >> my name is roxy and i'm here for alejandro. i think

it's disgusting that we are adding and an abating the animals that killed him. we might not get it from you guys. that's the reality. you guys claim to be the good guys, you guys claim to be the heroes. you claim to keep us safe, but that's not the deal. that's not what's happening here. i don't even have to teach my kids to not trust you or hate you guys, you are doing that very well yourselves. i think there is nothing we can do to change the past and we might not be able to change the future, but i think if you are killing us, then you are the bad guys. because i'm not a bad guy. my children aren't bad guys, but it's a possibility that something can happen. we can't even spank our kids but you

are killing our kids. i think it's a shame. you guys should remind yourselves why you are wearing that badge. you guys should remind yourselves why you are representing these people. at the end daft we are all human and i think that it doesn't matter how much you get paid or who you work for or what side you are on. i don't know, my deepest condolences for alejandro's family, if we don't get justice, these people are not worth it. >> hello, commission, community. my name is leo white. i am a community advocate and a youth educator and advocate for community policing in its troust form. i have a few things to address.

one thing is the conversation around mental health has come up. i have worked very closely with dj williams, the young man beat up at the gardens. i have worked with him because i'm also a healer. he's having nightmares. he says he's jumpey now where he was never jumpy before. i sit in a room with his family members and he jumps at a shadow or at a movement. there is no justice in that. if you want to talk about mental health problems, the police created that mental health problem that young man has ptsd now. how is he going to feel safe? i asked him how does it feel for you? he says i don't feel safe in a room

where i should feel safe. that is troublesome to me. i work very closely with police commissioners in training young people on knowing their rights. we are not going to tell them, okay, now that you know your rights, now you are going to have to drop everything that you have, don't do anything and sit still. how do we educate that they feel it's going to be okay. it's not possible. i have another question. what is the definition of justice for all of you. i want to know that. because if we are talking about justice i want to make sure that we are all on the same page about what that means. can we have a definition for justice. that's a real question. i would really like to hear an answer. >> they can't respond. >> good evening, my name is jeff. alex had many best

friends. i have very little friends. he was my best friend. i have a lot of emotions right now but i'm trying to imagine how would alex behave. i know he would tell me have patience, never give up. there is going to be a brighter day. he was the hope in my life. alex was the hope in my life. so rather than get emotional, let measure share a couple of facts, things they don't know. you guys cleaned up the crime scene really well. you left his half eater burrito at the top of the hill. we have pictures of that. i imagine the frightened alex as the only brown person in the park being surrounded by police and he was being trained to be a police officer some day. secondly, someone came up to

me and shared, jeff, i live right next to where the police were shooting. so, for the record, he said all i can see were cops in formation. no yelling. put your hands down, put your guns down. nothing. it was formation military style and gunshots. did you hear yelling? i heard nothing. you are 75 feet away. i'm going to yell pretty loud. i don't want to kill him, right? you can't tell how many bullets there were, but i can find a half eaten burrito. [ cheers and applause ]

>> commission, chief, first i want to say thank you for helping me today. you helped me get alex's car back. thank you for that. what you heard yesterday about the taser and handcuffs and spray, that was something in his possession. but why didn't you show this? his security guard badge. he had a license to carry that taser and he might or might not i don't know if he did point it at officers. so, all i can say is do your investigation right. we need help in the outside. please get it. alex to me was my brother, not by blood, but by love and practice of buddhism. another question i have is

from what point from the officers to this meeting right now that you realize that you made the biggest mistake of your lives? [ applause ] again, this is not implied to the commission or the chief not personally. it's implied to the officers. they personally killed alec, not you guys. for people saying they killed them, know you didn't. those officers, they killed alex, not you guys. to me alex was my other half and every night i can't go to sleep knowing he's not here anymore. i cry. i can't go to sleep. i do everything i can to go to sleep but i can

because my brother is gone. >> good evening, my name is kim. i have to say those that were killed wouldn't want to see us here. when everyone's job is to protect our children. everyone. i'm disabled. i'm a victim of domestic violence. ended up here in the shelters because of domestic violence. i'm not a criminal and yet i have been treated like a criminal more times that i can count. i have to report crime when i have been ignored by police. monday

night was one of those incidents in my building. there was a man beating a woman and i called police. i wanted to help with a report and i was ignored. totally ignored. i saw them walk out of the building and i found out this man lives in my building because now i feel in fear because when i threatened to call the police, he pulled a knife on me. i heard your police say they wanted to come out and talk to everybody. i am one of those people. just this week who tried to file a complaint. i respectfully ask everyone in this room. i have heard more prejudice in this room that i have heard about fight for our children. everyone go home tonight and look in the mirror, ignore the color of your skin. look at

the people as human beings and they deserve to be treated as human beings. we need to protect them. not yelling at one another about whose fault it is. let's find some real solutions. >> first of all i would like to offer my condolences to alex's family and friends especially alex's dad who is sitting right there. this you for the opportunity to speak. i would like to ask a few more questions. after the incident why did police search alex house without a warrant? you would not have known, you would have known afterwards that you killed an innocent man, an innocent man where you try to fabricate evidence against alejandro. police flyers posted requesting

witness es to come forward describe a man with a variety of weapons. the police description does not describe a man with a variety of weapons. by his own accounts he only had a lacer on him. these misrepresentations are being painted by the media and misrepresenting alex character. at the town hall why did the police say alex had a mental illness. why is that the case? why did the police chief mention at the town hall meeting that a witness saw a red jacket. how is that relevant to the case. at the town hall why did the police mention there was a restraining order against alex. how was this relevant to the case? they are

completely irrelevant to the case. i would like to ask one more question which is are the officers legally required to carry guns at all times and if so, what will it take to change the laws so that most policing, most responses would happen with officers who do not carry any guns on him. thank you. [ applause ] >> good evening, everyone. my name is antonio arena. i'm here to speak on behalf of my friend alejandro. my condolences to l.a. familia nieto. alejandro, i knew him for a long time. for several years he went through ups and downs. i want to make sure that there are justice for him. he was a criminal justice major. he was studying

justice. it is our responsibility in the community to make sure that there is justice for him as long as it takes years and years there is going to be justice for him. if it takes years to take those guns from all of these officers here so the majority are their work is going to be composed of non-violent work, work that we do in the community. the violence prevention work that we do in the community, we've had to deal with people that point guns to our faces, the violence prevention work that we do. there is a shotgun put to her face and she was verbally able to disarm the young man verbally with the gun to her face able to disarm him. and the police officers are not trained enough to do that. there is something definitely very wrong with this police department that you cannot able to disarm

people verbally. that is the primary thing that they should be able to do is to talk. they are peace officers. buddhism is peace. that is what we will bring to this department to this state, to this nation is peace to you, to your lives, to all our community there will be peace. that is what alejandro worked for is peace. you ladies in the community take this to the ying and the yang. the ying being the words and the softness. that's what we need in this police force. we need the ying and the yang.

>> i knew nothing about what the people spoke about. we saw police officers indicted. these officers were on the force and doing a lot of other thing. i'm going to present to you a case. i'm going to say the officers answered to complaints to take a very hard look. they need to have somebody who is responsible independent and redo all the cases that these officers were involved in and see what the result was. i'm sure if he was alive, the officers and civilian complaints need to take a good hard look. i challenge you to get an independent person to

investigate. start with these cases the officers were involved in and see what their result was. i have a couple of other cases. i think they are incompetent. look at now they have officers that are shown what their like. see what officers civilian complaints when they are complaints were before that officer. i'm going to give you each a competent take. you are each responsible. if you have somebody review the cases and the officers, the officers were involved in. i'm going to pass this out to you. >> i will take it. thank you. >> thanks for the public comment. >> good evening, commissioners. good evening chief, my name is jackie

bryce on south of market and now i'm on the tenderloin. i have been working with captain chemiss. he's been very responsive, yes you are. i'm happy that the police commission made it to my house. i'm happy that you are here. i'm very unhappy with the hyperably. i'm the last one to comment. i'm very fact base. i'm not going to draw any conclusion until all facts are in. like they say in the tv crime shows, let the evidence lease -- lead us to the conclusion. thank you all for being here.

>> hello. my name is paulette brown and as always i'm at the police commission concerning my son. i do want to give my condolences to the family. my son was shot 30 times, not by police, but just by crime in the streets. i'm here because of these unsolved cases. these cases are unsolved and how long as parents are we going to suffer our children's loss? this pain never never never goes away. how long are we going to deal with it. it doesn't matter how they get killed, who killed them. think about the parents sitting at home every day and wonders what they could have done. should i been there. i wasn't able to say good-bye to my

child. this is what we think about. that family including me. when this is all over and those families are still at home suffering, whose going to be there for them who is going to come and say something to them we can all be angry. we are still suffering years and years down the line. this is what i'm up here saying and i'm at the police commission every wednesday when i'm make it. i have post traumatic stress disorder. i'm afraid to let my children out because i'm scared somebody is going to murder them. this is what i suffer everyday. think about the families. this is about we need to have some kind of

sympathy, some kind of training for this going on, some training needs to happen. >> any further public comment? public comment is now closed. i just want to say -- >> as a comment, my sympathy goes out to alex father and family and friends. i can't even tell you. i wish you didn't have to go through this. this happened too much and this happens over and over again. there is a massive gentrification as part of what happens here. the police, they do racially profile. the killing happens, they investigate their owns, the

cover up as we can hear earlier the cover upstarts at the scene of the crime. and this is not justice the facade that's happening right here and with you people it's the worse. the facade that's happening right here is inexcusable. it won't bring justice. every time the excuse is used, it's getting old. there is an uprising happening. and we won't stop. until there is justice until everyone of you is accountable. i'm sorry for your pain. >> the commission and comment. we have a line there that is

closed. public comment is close side. on behalf of the commission and i did this last night. i see mr. nieto present and you have been in our thoughts and prayers. you have been in my thoughts and prayers. we listened to what you have to say and it's fair to listen to what other people have to say. i was shutdown by people, there are three investigations. please don't tell me to shut up. i expect you to show me respect. everyone listened to you. i want to thank you all. >> if in fact they don't

cooperate like we cooperated. we had public comment. that's the most important thing we had to do then we can adjourn the rest of this commission. >> for those of you who came forward, all of you, we listened to what you said. people were taking knows. there is three investigations, the district attorneys office, the occ and the police department. the police commission reviews every officer involved shooting. there will be a presentation to us. and then there will be a follow up larger presentation to the firearms discharge review board and see the policy and procedure and if nothing is rubber stamped by this commission. take a look at this commission. we've come from different -- >> is there time for a murder? >> we are a group of people that have a lot of experience in this field. i know it's

tough. you are grieving right now. but at the end of the day, we are going to do our job and we'll give you our word to that. apparently nobody wants to listen. i'm going to turn it to the rest of the commissioners to share their thoughts. i apologize you only have 2 minutes. we needed some order. i want to thank you folks that did do that. >> commissioners, anyone else would like to speak? >> president mazzucco. i would definitely like to proceed with the rest of our agenda which which is for the commissioners to address however if we can't do that. our business that we have done for the rest of the community. if we could not do that, i would suggest we adjourn. >> i have some comments. this is a second round of comments

and i have to say my son died and i agree with you. it doesn't matter how they die. they die through violence, it's hurts every parent. it doesn't ever go away. when i say my condolences are with the family, i know what i'm speaking about. i heard it and i took knows -- notes, and i took notes last night. it's not fair for this chief. he's accessible and he's listening and he's here. we heard everybody and we need to go forward and see what changes we need to make, if there is policy decisions that need to be made, if there is cameras that really need. the cameras are a great idea because you can have a visual tool too make that assessment. this is a tenderloin community

meeting as well. for captain chemiss, i want to say job well done. the community policing seems to be working really well here and i don't want to take anything away from your community tonight because we heard what you had to say today and we appreciate that. and we have to be mindful of what's going on here and that is troubling and we have to look forward to that and we hope to move forward and make changes that need to be made. i'm looking forward to doing that. >> commissioner chan? >> i want to say thank you for coming here. it does break my heart. i work at a

non-profit. i do this on my day job. i understand and i get it. it feels awful. i know that chief sur being here two nights in a row hearing you, i do encourage this to continue, the questions, when you wanted us to ask because it's our job as a police commission to ask question at the fire and discharge and review board. that's our responsibility. we are not police officers. we are civilians. i have never gone through any police academy. our jobs in san francisco is that we are civilians that over see the police department and we are answering your questions and concerns. i myself will commit to asking those questions when it's time to do that. finally i want to also reference

captain chemiss, thank you for your presentation. it was a good presentation. i want to ask how many officers you have that speak different languages. i do want to know that there are more vietnamese officers. also i wanted to ask one question about crisis intervention team officers? i appreciate that you listed how many you have and you needed more but i wanted to ask this not only how many do you have but how often are they used? do you have any specific feedback story and crisis intervention that has worked in the past few years and training officers in the deescalation in training officers when it's possible and i know myself and the commission cares deeply about. are we actually using these officers in this training. that is the question i have and i will close myself with

that. >> i did anticipate that you were going to ask how many. we are trying to advance and get more officers cit trained. i don't have the answers for you as to how they are dispersed nor how they are being deployed. >> thank you. i appreciate the transfer. i do believe that is the next step in not only are we training officers and are they deployed in the skills that are being used and what happens with those responses. that's it. >> anything further, commissioners? >> next line item no. 5. >> line item 5, adjournment. >> can i have a motion? >> so moved. >> all in favor say, "aye". >> aye. >> we are adjourned. [ meeting is adjourned ] >> >>