>> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many

of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to

save yourself. is there anything of value to that ? >> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in

for cold hardware. they are not available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san

francisco and a fault totally independent. >> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for stand for the p allegiance. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

>> i would like to call roll. >> president mazzucco, present, vice-president turman, commissioner dejesus issen route. commissioner chan, lawson. >> thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen welcome to the wednesday march 26, 2014, community meeting. ladies and gentlemen, what we do a little differently to community meetings, the commission meets every wednesday at city hall. the last wednesday of the month we go out to the community. we have 10th district stations and we rotate to each district

station. this is the best part of our job when we get to go out to the communities away from city hall and higher -- hear about concerns that happened in your district. we'll hear from our captain. we get a chance for the commissioners to introduce ourselves to you and tell you what we do on our day jobs in addition to the commission. i'm going to start to my left with commissioner chan. >> good evening, thank you for being out here tonight. as president mazzucco said this is our favorite day of the month. my name is chan. i'm on this committee for about 4 years. i'm an attorney serving immigrants. i focus on issues such as language

access and immigrant issues. i'm happy to see everyone here tonight and especially reporting from the captain. thank you for hosting us and thoughts and suggestions from community members here tonight. thank you. >> thank you. commissioner? >> good evening, everyone. my name is joyce turman, vice-president of the police commission. when i'm not vice-president, i'm a partner at the lawfirm reed smith for a group for northern california. thank you for the great turnout. i'm looking for the to the presentation by the captain about his district as well. thank you for having me. >> hello, my name is susie loftus. my husband and i are raising our three daughters out in the sunset. i used to

be a prosecutor in san francisco and then a district attorney and attorney general. now i work in the bayview at an organization called the center for youth wellness where we respond to health impacts of kids being exposed to violence and chronic adverse teechlt -- adversity. i'm happy to be here and would love to hear from you. thank you. >> like commissioner loftus i'm a native city san franciscans. i raised my family here. i too circumstantial -- served in the prosecutors office and now i work in a law firm where i'm a partner. this community

here, i tell my wife this is my favorite community meeting here just to see the families who live here and the changes that have taken place here. i have enjoyed coming here and would love to hear from the community. i will tell the audience about how we handle the meeting. we have a very brief report, the adoption of minutes and then the main event which is captain's presentation and then we'll take public comment after the captain's presentation. please call outline item one. >> also with us is supervisor kim. >> the action for the meeting of february 26th, and march 5, 2014. >> commissioners, you have the minutes in your packet. are there any changes?

>> no. >> can i have a motion? >> so moved. >> second. >> all in favor say, "aye". >> aye. >> thank you very much. please call line item no. 2. >> report to commission. discussion, chief report and review of recent activities. >> good evening, commissioners, good evening community. it's the tenderloin is always one of the meetings that i particularly enjoy because i started in the tenderloin back in 1981 and spent 4 years here before moving on to other assignments. briefly, incidents of significance that have just happened of late today there were about 28 search warrants served all over the bay area. 28 were

served in san francisco an fbi leading investigation better than a year long investigation. the indictments are out now. 137 pages. in those arrest senator leland yee was taken into custody amongst some 27 others and those investigations are federal in nature and all commentary to those will come from them, the san francisco p.d. police department as well as many other local agencies along with the fbi and execution of search warrants and arrest warrants this morning. last friday night there is an officer involved shooting in vernal park where alejandro neato

lost his life. the police encountered mr. neat oh and asked to show his hands and he produced a taser from a hole --ster, and the officers took it to be a pistol and they fired in defense of their lives. mr. neat oh was hit and he did not survive. there was a town hall last night in the mission. feelings are very very real, very very raw. that will be, i don't think that's going away anytime soon. again, i apologized for the police department for the loss of alejandro to mr. neat oh, he is as any father would be. i can't say anything more about that.

friday night there was a shooting here in the tenderloin. it appears to be over an amount of money owed over drugs. the suspect vehicle pulled up. the suspect got out, argued with the person that he believed owed him a debit and he was not satisfied, he went to his car and produced a gun and he grazed then intended victim. that victim left the scene and went to bayview after getting treated for his injuries. san francisco police officers arrested him with a tech 9 machine pistol.ness he is in custody, the next day investigation led us to arrest of the suspect. a lot of credit has to go to the

emmeraryville p.d.. lastly on some positive notes, we broke in the first days of little league baseball across the city over the past couple weeks, on friday, officer johnson, citizen of bayview will take seven youth ages 4-18 to ak kra ghana in africa in a 9-day trip. officer johnson raised pretty much the money himself. he has a college friend who is a schoolteacher in liberia and he's taken the kids from the boys and girls club. it should be pretty much trip of a lifetime for these kids as they go to see what they see in ghana and will make a full report when they get back.

finally, next week, dpw will be updating the police commission on the new headquarters building on the easter bond and you will be getting a copy of the powerpoint with the facility studied with the new station to be proposed. the study is lengthy and very detailed and a comprehensive overview. muhammad and have been heroic in putting this together. i will defer the rest of my time to captain. >> thank you, chief. line item 2b. >> director hicks is feeling under the weather. frank from o cc will give the report. >> good evening, president mazzucco, commissioners,

supervisor, chief and members of the public. i would like to take this opportunity to talk to everybody about the occ, office of citizens complaints. we used the district meetings as an opportunity to do outreach and to tell you all what we are all about. my name is i nez, a chairman at the occ. i'm here instead of director hicks, who is under the weather. i will speak a little bit about the functions of the office of the citizens complaints. it is the third largest civilian oversight of law enforcement agency in the united states. only surpassed in size by new york city and chicago. the office was created by a board of supervisors charter since

1982. it was later placed under the as as spis by the police commission. it's formed to building trust in the community by being the bridge being the public and police matters and misconduct in the commission and policy. to accomplish this, the occ's mission is to ensure police accountability by committing fair, timely unbiased investigations and making recommendations on police policies and practices. we also conduct mediation between complaints and police officers in order to better relations.

in short, the o cc investigates civilian complaints against san francisco police department officers, and it also makes policy recommendations on the department's policies. in california law enforcement agencies are obligated to investigate procedures by complainants. the occ serves that purpose in this city. a diverse ability of backgrounds but never have been police officers in san francisco are staff members and investigators at the occ. we have 35 members. many most are investigators. there are four attorneys and then the rest is support staff. we try to basically find out what happened. we can only do this the help of witnesses and complainants who will give us

as much information as possible. we follow the evidence by interviewing the person who complains and any witnesses that they lead us to. we also have subpoena power and can compel testimony at times. we try to get additional evidence from the police department in the form of police reports and other department generated documents. we also visit sites and of course conduct investigations in the best way possible, take photographs, talk to everybody that will talk to us. we try to complete our investigations within a period of 9 months. in california it is mandatory that we complete investigations within a year in order to be effective and to actually be able to discipline if that is warranted. the standard of proof for the occ is basically a preponderance of the evidence. it is more likely than not that something happened that

we have to be able to articulate the evidence, not just have a feeling but be able to bring witnesses and articulate the report that why it's more than 50 percent that it happened. we need to get that point. if after afternoon -- an investigation we find the police violated a practice, we serve the report to chief sur. chief is you are can impose a suspension on an officer. if it's warranted to termination, then the police commission will have the jurisdiction of the case and they will consider it and hear the matter usually in a mini trial form. this is specifically disciplinary matters. so it's

a personnel action against police officers if it is warranted. we also provide something that's very effective which is mediation between complainants and police officers on a one to one. our mediation program allows complainants to resolve issues with an accused officer or officers in person in a sort of a dispute resolution form. the goal is to bring involved parties together in an effort to bring achieved mutual understand. not all cases warrant this process. we only offer in limited situations but it is quite possible with the officers and with community members. we have conducted many immediate agencies in many languages other than spanish. our staff speak several languages including cantonese, mandarin, berns, tagalog and

spanish. two are our staff are bilingual spanish speakers because a large number of our cases of non-english speakers are spanish speakers. for languages other than the ones i mentioned we will have interpretive services and we'll make sure we understand each other. our office is located at 25 van ness on the 7th floor very close to the corner of van ness and market. we are easily accessible by public transportation and receive walk in complaints between the hours of 8:00 a.m. and 5:00 p.m.. we also receive compliant by telephone, e-mail, mail and fax. we have an answering service for after hours complaints. feel free to call us then. you can also file a complaint at the district police station and

district personnel will forward us the information immediately. if you would like more information we have brochures here and i believe one of our investigators was supposed to be here. [ laughter ] . the person does show up i will make sure and introduce him or her. in any event thank you very much for your attention. that concludes my remarks. thank you. >> thank you. [ applause ] >> moving right along. please call line item 2c. >> commission reports. commissioner and president's report. >> thank you very much. as you heard from the chief, it's been a really busy week. i attended the academy graduation we have nine lateral police officers to join the san francisco police department. those are police officers from other jurisdictions that have decided to join the sf p.d.. we have 9 knew -- new

officers that will be hitting the streets. we have a hundred other officers training for graduation and we are hoping to get more officers out on the streets to answer some of your concerns and reach back to our full staffing level. it's great that supervisor kim is here because i have to say that our board of supervisors and mayor give full credit to the police department being able to hire those officers. inform are that supervisor kim deserves a round of applause. [ applause ] then, also i attended last night along with several other commissioners the community meeting and we issued condolences to family and friends. i see some of the folks here tonight. thank you for coming. you are always welcome to come to our commission meeting. it's really important. i want to get one message out here.

this is the chief and the first to have done a commission meeting after an officer involved shooting. there is no requirement that he does it. he does it because he wants to reach out to the committee. he doesn't do it by press conference. he actually does it in the community. i know emotions are running high and there are a lot of people that are very very upset. i hope that you look at the facts that are presented and will continue as i promised that night that we'll look into the the shooting and we will look into every aspect of the shooting. i just want to hope that you appreciate that this chief did it for you and most chiefs won't. please at least appreciate what he did. that starts the process of healing. i was present with the other commissioners and it was

quite an event and was a little disappointed with what i heard. some people shocked me with some of the comments they made. but it's part of the process and we'll work with you to bring things back to full circle. commissioners, any other announcements to report? >> welcome, everybody. i'm sorry i was late. i do want to comment on the meeting. i saw and her a lot of really good message last night. it was something we need to hear. the community was hurting and i think it showed. we saw a lot of issues and i think really people came out. they were mourning their loss, they were upset about the loss, rightfully so. there was anger about what happened. on the other hand things came out of it like maybe our officers should have cameras and that was a really good suggestion. there are things that came out that are really helpful.

they talk about that sanctuary. it was destroyed for people who live there in some fashion and that's something we have to acknowledge and work with. we talked with -- about fear in the community of letting their children go out and part of that fear was tied with mental health. if someone is having a mental health breakdown and if that was the response, i think we have addressed that in terms of cit. on the other hand those are real concerns and real fears we heard last night. we heard a lot of other issues that came out at that meeting in terms of gentrification, people not understanding the community, people not knowing the community and the new members getting to know the people. we talked about jail systems and people being incarcerated is that the way? education and violence. there were a lot of good things that came out even though it was a very emotional meeting and i understand it

so. we talked about the fear of use for colors. there was an issue about weapons and type of weapons we have and stuff like that and in terms of the investigation. that's something we'll have to wait in terms of the investigation, the coroners report and that is on going. this road emotion and there were a lot of things that were brought up and i commend the chief for being here and the officers and i commend the community for coming out. it's through this process that we learn how to move forward. as i said so many good points brought out. they brought out community policing a we we do back and touch up on those things. and the buddhist were there and i thought that was interesting because he was a buddhist and they talked about respecting

everybody. cherishing everything and they talked about that he would want us to be positive and move forward and not have violence in his name. i was there and when i left there i had a lot of things to think about and so did the chief. i do want to commend you for being there because everybody gave a message in a different way. it was a lot more vocal and the message were there and the people were able to speak and a lot of it came from that. i listened. he listened. his staff listened and i think it was healthy and a good thing to do. that was my report from the meeting. >> thank you. >> a couple of things. thank you, commissioners for summarizing what happened last night. i was there myself and a lot of people in the room that i know through immigrant rights and i know it was a

tragic loss and i would like to thank everybody for being there. people can all just get very angry and walk away, but people stayed in that room and expressed how they felt and expressed helpful suggestions, thoughts and outrage and you spoke to the city about what can make things better. going on to what we discussed last week, we have a regular language arts working group meeting that we had with -- a session we had with bilingual officers and we asked what their suggestions and thoughts are with regard to being bilingual officers with regard to them using their language on-the-job and the better smartphone technology to improve