maybe i can start while you are reading that what happens sometimes in those cases the appellants sometimes show up at the third floor of the dbi prior to going to the board of appeals where they're concerned about the ownerships of a permit we tell them you can go to the board of appeals interests an appeal process they showed up and i was on duty i ended up getting familiar with this

because of my proximity and the discussion what the appellant the subsequent appellant so with the we got a complaint and there had been a couple of complaints so maybe the earlier complaints our departments so the dormers they got closed but the neighbor of the appellant came in and was adamant we took the complaint and subsequently issued on site i met with the inspector king he wanted some help you knew that was going to be at the board i went myself. we saw exceeding the scope the four don't rememberers have been constructed much larger and the main roof has been altered by 18

inches and the dorms are over sized and it's above the roofline to create headway and it was a exist 4 story building it was incorrect we noted that the permit is suspended by the board of appeals and no work can took place without being heard by the board of appeals. when you look at the permit it's add the four don't rememberers and one bath it obviously with you think that the permit holders represented they went away beyond the scope of this permit. if i can show photographs

someone gave me photographs of what's existing tonight. if i can have the overhead i'm not sure of the acknowledge of this photograph but this is the building her with the it's got a head roof open the front that front is towards the back you can see the wall there i'll put up a photograph of what we saw when we went out there. the photograph where my pen is you know the height of the roof is up here with the window up there. you can see dollars quite a bit of difference in the height. which isn't disputed by the permit he holder i don't think. this is a photograph of the inside if you're in that area

now that's been framed. the head rooms and stuff like this the head heights. this photograph is the dormer in the background that's up to the roof height and this part is the area of the northeast corner to increase the height of the roof. this part is the main roof this is the roof as well to get the headroom from the third to figure out story. and sorry i'm almost done i don't usually show this many photographs. this is that front hip roof from the front to the back of the building and this is the portion of the roof you can see the difference that's the pictures that are referred to in the

notice of violation. i have one more photograph. this was provided by a neighbor. this the the dormers under construction the roof is gone and the roof hip is there on the front and you can see this is a whole new framed area at the back so. there we have it i'm available for any questions >> so does that type of edition require a 311 notification. >> yes. it would. >> and how much square footage was addressed to the subject property. >> i don't know. i didn't calculate that i don't know.

i think the roof got raised you can see they had to raise the roof any contention is in order to get the permit is fine but to make it work they had to raise the roof i don't know if you can do the project as they've drawn it and had the head roof room i don't know what the height of the existing building was. i certainly think the roof changed maybe the permit holder can say. what determines whether or not it's a 2 time penalty >> exposing the beyond the scope of the work you can see this is work exceeding the scope of the permit.

we value that thought work we see at the time it's not the full value of the job it's not a punitive penalty the bigger penalty is the hold up not being to go ahead for the two or three month that's the biggest penalty >> so maybe i should talk to. >> any questions for mr. duffey. >> on doing the work; right? >> if they want to undo the work they can do that that will be taking down a lot of construction and determine the roof where a it was. >> they went beyond the scope of what was permitted. >> it's high above. >> isn't that what people have to do is take down the improper

properly done work arrest they can still - why did you go that how why did you raids it if you didn't need to if it was going to work the way it was drawn why iowa's would it built like that. i don't know how it works with the way it's drawn i don't know how to make that habitable >> i think i might have missed something if you recognize your record and it's going beyond the scope it's a misrepresentation on the number of floors existing and proposed 4 and 4 rather than 3 and 3 then if there's a

recognition and mission and concession it's done wrong you've got to do it right in accordance with the permit. >> right. >> it's got to be undone and taken down. >> that's right i agree. >> i want to clarify there was a misrepresentation about it being 4 stories your the previous permit the appellant said it was 3 stories and the next permit that came in was that stories so where is the other story. >> it's a misrepresentation. >> you pop down the information yeah. yeah. but it should have been from three to four and not

one permit saying 3 and proposed 4 but it may have changed. the dormers you can do this without 311 notification they work but nicole the way their outside of the scope. this is an owner permit >> i believe so. so the owner did the work himself >> well, we get that a lot. >> the work that there is still work take place on the work not on appeal but they're at on impasse on the top floor not doing mulch on the top floor. >> thank you. does that board have questions

for mr. t or should - >> yes. i have a question for mr. t. >> so does the work constitute a 311 notification. >> based on dbi's inspection yes. essentially the only reason the original permit didn't require it because of the don't rememberer if you're raising the roof and also providing don't rememberers above the revolver line you fill out the exemption so the trigger would apply you get into issues of the height measurement of the code and what's a don't rememberer and not and residential guidelines will be to support of the raising of that roof >> i'm not sure but that looks

like a floor. >> the scope of work that appears to be started would require neighborhood notification and, you know, would need to be more thoroughly designed. >> is there any public comment seeing none, mr. come you have 3 minutes of rebuttal. i'm sorry there is public comment >> are you part of the - >> i'm the person who designed the structure. >> then you're part of that. you can speak under rebuttal. go ahead 3 minutes >> so our preliminary concern is the way it was done without even telling us what's going on we found out through a

notification that said this permit has been approved approved we we had 5 days so that's what lead us to the appeal. we wouldn't want to be in this position if we talk to the project owner but on the previous permits it clearly states that roofline is 33 feet 11 inches we saw that on the 89 and 2013 permit we saw it exactly like this on the overhead. this was 28 and about a 5 feet for that little angled roof so we've seen that multiple people i don't go down p there but

definitely misleading motioning information that's submitted to get this approved over the counter. we're concerned about the factors not only is the building above what we submitted we're just louis total faith in this person what his intentions are and other things he'll ignore. i ask this as not part of the appeal but i wish the permit owner was here he left i don't know why. recently, there was rain and this is something on the roof and it's right next to our property line collecting rainwater and it's allowing it to drip off the roof and dollars usually wind. their property is getting a lot of water. we would like like to know what's that thing is it going to

stay or get taken down is it a temporary thing. it's another intrusion from this construction. we just would like it would show good faith to talk about what he wants to do with this project. we feel this application is deficient. many material miss statements in terms of the floor and the height of the ceiling that's been stated it's not what it was it was miss stated in terms of the height and number of stories. they should be required to - this permit should be depend and we'll let them do whatever they want to do but not the right way to go about getting something

you want without considering the impact to the neighbors we have significant neighbor support it's in your brief we have all that support and further another neighbor who couldn't show up he sent a letter to you guys to let you know of his concerns. we're impacted and how did this happen >> sir. >> yes. i'm not going to add much the engineer that designed the building and presented it will be hard to explain but i want to say and understand this is the owner of the property of the prospective owner of the property this gentleman who just got married and trying to see

how to accommodate the neighbors. what he wants to do a drop and do the construction crossing the plans approved by the planning department that's his wish it will deconstruct everything and reconstruct it according to the plans that were approved. in terms of even if you say you want to decide approve it and the same plans will be approved over the counter so allow him to drop the plans and do the construction according to the plans that that were approved to everybody will be happy. the architect i mean, the engineer will explain to you why >> the new owner how long ago did he - >> he's a prospective owner.

>> it's owned by someone else. >> you need to come to the microphone and i'm dean we have a financial interest if the property and robby the architect left. he's helping us with the endeavor he's the one that dropped off the architecture plans we're following. >> okay. >> the engineer will explain the flaw. t the. i want to explain according to the planning department the roof was raised 18 inches because they probably upped the joy size

to 2 by 12 the other 12 they probably bumped up and the other thing was the plans that show the permits as being 3 stories on one permit and 4 stories on the other this is a common thing that happens in san francisco being the attic floors the system they have in place with the pink forms it talks about occupancy floor is occupancy it should technically stay three to four but if you went from a 3 to 4 on a pink application it's different and dollars a lot of buildings that have 3 stories it's called 3 stories over

dprarg and you'll go from 2 floors of occupancy when adding a bedroom on the ground floor and technically you'll have to go through a notification that's where everything gets messed up >> i actually have a question for you. can you answer me how does it get from 33 to 39 feet. most of the time when you look at photographs of the roofs if you look at the angle the roof doesn't look that big but if you were stand on your roof at home and look at it roofs with this type of roof they're actually at all in height >> i understand that. >> so the 33 to the 39 is how did planning department it's

based on how they measure it. >> but 33 a 33 and 39 is 39. >> 39 is the pitch the top point of the roof. if you guys are worried about that you can go to the roof and drop a tape >> we can't the roof was on changed. >> i'm saying if you ignore the pitch part of the roof and i'm pretty sure you'll get close to 33 feet. >> okay. that's a good query and neither of you. >> actually, i have a question for mr. duffey anyway. >> just from the suggestion

they would like to build it from the plans that's a great idea but sheet a two in the presentation exist front elevation i don't think that's accurate on the plans. it would be great if we could make this work on the plans but they're not showing proper evaluations on the plans of the existing roofs. if you look at the photographs and a two and look at the top front elevation west that doesn't look like the front of that building its way >> above to its drawn wrong. i wish they could fix it if we deny the permit then, you know, >> perhaps you need to spend time and be come back with a

recommendation. >> i'd love to work out the third and fourth floor i don't mind doing that but it's pooulz to me to do the project without calling it a four story which is was it should have been called if they want to back to 03 story and an attic then. >> i think you need to figure out how to determine what was the original roof. what we would have done that but not tred >> i would do one last thing get rid of the successiveer. >> i wish the appellants had

come down to dbi we would have. >> take that off. >> they can take care of that. >> the other question the permit was taken out as the permit owner but the company owns it, it's and is the company. so when you ask for a owner permit for a abruptly they ask you the deposit and plumbing questions who's the owner that got it >> yeah, that's a good point. >> i mean is that typical when someone gets a owner permit they issue it to the company. >> the company might have been the owner. >> if it's a company. >> they needed the contractors that's probably a problem as

well. >> so if joe is the owner of and he should be in the permit. >> okay. thank you. >> i wanted to ask clarification but go ahead. >> wanted to clarify if the board were to deny this permit would and since interests an outstanding notice of violation they will need to come to the department for a new permit. >> right. >> that's the same thing i was going to ask. >> if the permit were denied we'll amend the notice of violation it's stated it's up for appeal and i think our language should change to this permit has been denied and you must apply for a new permit i think we had the same prospective where a couple weeks ago they found out the 12-month

didn't apply. >> how are they going to determine what the actual height of the building go is. >> they will figure it out. i'll work with them it's hard when you take something down >> we had to do that on marina boulevard. >> we did notify but not every permit gets that they would have to put a b b ion that. >> are people concerned about neighbors what a b b n is when

they come to planning or dbi it's like posted out there and available. >> i've told people to go down there but it's a couple a hundred of dollars. for a year any permits that are applied for >> every everybody can check the internet but - >> get the notice to you. >> but it's a good process. >> okay. mr. t some rebuttal. >> here we go i'll clarify the dbi notification it is $34 a

year and specific what activity if you're concerned the neighbor it going to change out the window you want to make clear that's the only activity to be invited but we can't sign off until we get confirmation that the neighbor it aware of it and they're okay or we can do a 10 day notice the neighbor doesn't have to sign off to approve the process but made aware. when people are asked questions about that that's the method >> on the b b m that only

glottis department. >> they have to check the that interject and actually. >> assuming the permit is done properly but if it's a bathroom or kitchen permit you may not get our notification. >> get it. okay commissioners the matter is submitted. >> it seems clear the permit needs to be revoked and with the pending notice even if violation that can be sorted out with mr. duffey's department the question to revoke the permit. >> i thought we were letting the building department to sort it out. this is egregious and i that's

how i would go >> is it a provision about how soon you can go back and - >> they've found the notice of violation to fix it. >> if we have a permit it overrides the nova. >> you can't come back here. >> okay in my view i know that already. >> it would be helpful in the board specifics the one year boar applies. >> i would go in this direction. >> i'm not sure i'll go the one year penalty. >> they have to resolve it. >> they'll have to bring it