so what's the gap and need will allow us to get the resources necessary to get those done. the next question rewarding the design i think it will be helpful to walk us through why it takes 6 to 9 months >> that's for a major street project. and that's i'm not sure if there's anyone from dpw who wants to speak to that. a lot of times we partner with dpw on anything that touches drainage or a civil engineering design piece we looking at look to our partners in dpw they take the time to do survey work and work it into their cue of prongs. so we're gathering for the sf committee is sort of r a post

more and more tomb on 7 or 8 projects to give you an idea of what happens for instance, when another project becomes a provided and jump projects in the cue. we may have regular projects we're working through and the mta directions the priorities and there's a group that needs to have that conversation and we may decide nor whatever reason a project needs to happen faster it will leap frog the projects in the cue. so there's a lot of complexity in the design there are several teams at dpw along with our traffic routine folks and the designers at a certain point they become a technical consultant that's a process like

second and polk we're doing thing for the fritter it can take longer than there's a lot of back and forth but i'll note we want to take a deeper dive into the next meeting we'll talk about project examples what happened and when did it go to a real project and how long will it take the money to get here and when did we actually start work all of those pieces and the decisions that happen along the way those are tremendously complicated projects. i understand there are designs difference between polk street and what you talked about on sixth and howard it will be helpful in not only describing

the process but give us suggestions on how to make that process what - i mean, i don't know what the process is like how we can push all the departments to work quicker is it you need more staff or the processes can work at the same time what can we do to improve the process so when funding are not the issue those projects are able to get on the ground >> i think one example you've all familiar every project has an environmental phase and a lot of times the detail design will not start until it's been legislated so the design and the survey work and we're doing that on some projects and trying it

out before the environmental is done you're taking a risk, you know, not something that governmental agencies do well but to higd but i think that, you know, we need - we are looking at and need to continue to find different project design models. for a long time a lot of the work was done in house and the amount of funding and the amount of work could potentially break that model we need to bring on contractor and relying on those other kinds of project delivery models to grow faster and get the resources on board to deliver the projects faster >> thank you.

that's how i'd like the subcommittee to help. one is the oversight but how to change the project delivery model are there more efficient ways the funding should be part of the conversation it's a culture shift we're prioritizing human lives and involves funding we need to put our money where our mouths are at we've got to be able to fund those. i hope we can continue it dialog in the room. supervisor wiener >> thank you, ms. reynolds thank you for the update i know you were here at the beginning. do you think things are getting better with the enter

departmental messness and some departments sometimes showing you over hostility towards the projects is that changing are we seeing it still is it having combats it's my prospective but you're in it everyday >> my prospective is we have the right people at the table talking now, it's difference than eight or nine months ago. with the fire department in particular the lines of communication are open now more open and, you know, we've had a couple of recent examples inform bring curb extension to our board the fire marshall had concerns but i think there are but that's not obviously the way

we prefer to do that. i think that things are tlaug out a little bit but we still have a long way to go to get our designs what they should look like. the puc we've had tremendous opportunities for looking at the city for green extra and water projects. we've taermd with them on the community design process that's been positive the two agencies still have some disagreement when it comes to who's responsible for paying for some of the improvements and the constituents of the street underneath. so that's a conversation that still needs to kind of progress. but we have projects that we're collaborating and participating and co- designing the masonic is

a great example not that the departments are working together but we need those resolves. first of all, i was pleased >> i was pleased when the mta directors finally when the mta has the authority to legislate the curb and some little the mta wanted to achieve consensus but the fire department was not going to back down. >> ultimately the agency that's responsible for making sure that our streets are safe you guys took that action and leg last day those curbs changes i was pleased to see that. with respect to the puc i'll

give you my view the puc has taken the position if a bulb out is being built over water pipes it's the mta responsibility to pay to move those water pipes so they're not under the bulb out is a significant expense on the mta and frankly it's not necessary to move the water pipes it's for the future theoretical convenience of the puc if in 20 years they need to reach the pipe they don't want to dig underneath the sidewalk but underneath the streets that are a significant burden that the project sponsors from doing those bulb outs for a savings for the puc when frankly when you're doing a bulb out they can

look at the pipes and see if it's old and switch it out and did do it. many cost shouldn't be passed on. i don't know if this is the future of a future hearing in terms of enforcement i know i held a hearing last year about double parking enforcement and -- excuse-me. i should say the total lack of parking enforcement not only a sf pd issue they are the aggressive tools it is necessary sometimes a delivery truck has no way to pull over but we all see that everyday. the delivery trucks that clearly they have a place to pull over and don't both it's laziness

it's easier to park in the middle of the street and cabs that pickup and drop off they can pull over but stop in the middle of the street and people who park their cars in the middle of the street to run errands it's a problem it blocks muni and but in particular people verify bike lanes as an open in violation to use it as a parking stall so bikes are forced into traffic. i've not seen any change we see double parking still if you can address that i hope we can address that >> i'll say a couple of things i think we should bring it back

new york has made double parking part of their zero vision parking they've put out information and new york and d.c. are leading in this area in terms of managing deliveries and managing the need for a double parking they have some fantastically strategies but we needed operational strategies for how to incentivize delivers in the right way and i think we can bring those for a future meeting that's fantastic. >> new york also limits the size of the delivery trucks that enter the city i think we should do that. some of the delivery trucks are so large if their double parking

their literally blocking the entire lane of traffic and sometime the other lanes i think we should consider size restrictions on delivery trucks in san francisco >> thank you. i think those are important points and that came up in the commuter shuttle particularly in neighborhoods that the streets are narrow mta through it's policies can regularly many of the large vehicles on your streets. >> supervisor yee. >> thank you supervisor wiener for your comment about parking. it's about enforcement and educating people it's not a matter of just i'm going to save a few seconds but endangering

people. early chair kim you had discussion around the projects and i think in regards to look at those 24 projects or 33 depends upon which number you want to use but we need to document each of the steps for each projects and the timeline it takes for each step and document when there is some stalling because of whatever reasons we indicate what it is. if you look at one project at that time, it's hard to get a partner of what to fix but once we see in this particular element of the project seems to be also the bottom part we need

to do an analysis so that's my comment as you go for those projects you document every step >> thank you, commissioner supervisor mar. >> some kind of flow chart to understand the barriers to each project would be helpful and maybe the transportation authority staff could help with that we're not only looking at the barriers that maybe slowing down a project but for those who are not fund by ideas from the transportation authority from mta and other strategies how to get all the priorities funded. i'll ask if there are serious accidents on other streets not within the prioritized projects

what's the process they're worried their 4 to 5 years old but what's our recommendations on other dangerous corridors >> one clarifying question are you interested in seeing what we think the bottom x will be for those or you're interested in the patterns of bottle in the case on project. >> i think for supervisor yee for those 24 projects i think that's what you're suggesting. >> sure. >> and perhaps the mta could help with that that's a enter departmental issue. >> i think it will be good to do a little bit of back casting here are 10 similar projects that are already in the ground $0.83 let's look at the parents

it will be hard to predict where the bottle necks can e be supervisor wiener said it's hatred hard to predict where at that they'll come from but i can bring back the timelines. i think we can share with you so we can be tracking them each time we could be those kinds of things. and then your other question was about the crashes that happen there's a certain randomness to travel fatalities that's where the culture shift is important we can focus our efforts but at the mta we have a safety engineer that's in the traffic operation group - and almost

exactly a month ago was a serious wtdz a 5 year-old and babysitter at almost the exact same place and 24 hours ago you're saying that random perhaps >> i'm not saying that it's hard to come up with a perfect high injury network there will be things happen and the safety net in place to get the crash reports from the police department and we investigate them in our traffic operations group immediately and try to go out and see if we can fix the conditions on the street. i'm suggesting that it is all but impossible to anticipate every issue which is why the culture of slowing down and being important tentative is

taking care of each other is a part of vision zero that automated speed we can't have police there >> i'm all for about nice and look twice and you're saying and nicole 134ird saying look at d.c. and portland that are showing strong strong support as we faced 3 hours ago and . >> in chicago they're thinking that will produce more revenue. if a crash happened when a driver is traveling between 20 miles per hour we're not going to see the severity and the

fatality rates right now when people make mistakes >> supervisor breed. >> i agree we need to start working on a culture changed but portland well oregon in jeopardy is another ball game from the outset they have a culture with pilotness in driving and i've driven in portland and around those areas and how drivers treat one another and bicyclists and pedestrians it's a completely different culture i'm not sure that san francisco, california get there but we should work on that. clearly changing the roads and making improvements, enforcement all of those things are important but ultimately its behavior. i think we have to start working

on, of course, enforcement plays a role but there's also something we have to do and it's going to take a lot more effort and work and time to get to that point. i also wanted to mention or supervisor wiener mentioned double parking and the issues around that the worse thing that happens someone pulls up in a truck or car and there's plenty of room to pull up and they deliberately don't do that. i know we've had a hearing about double parking we've discuss people that are loading and unloading their children or elderly family members and the

challenges in areas were there isn't any parking and also i remember i think k345r7bd ali said they used discretion around ticketing because each case is different. so i definitely think we need to do something b about double parking and be aggressive with tiktd for double parking but be credit rat of the challenges of access to people's homes and deliveries and those sorts of things and bring those drivers to the table. i don't know if i'm for recycling trucks if they can't make they're deliveries that could change how much they charge because we make it more

difficult to deliver things i want business owners and delivery trucks at the table a really robust discussion how we make those improvements and how we work with people who are going to be most impacted by the changes to not only provide suggestions but also work with them on changing their behavior how they deliver and maneuver around the city and what that all means. i want to make sure we take that kind of approach >> thank you supervisor breed. supervisor mar >> i appreciate ms. reynolds the hard work on the projects. i was wondering if the executive director if the transportation authority can work with the mta and other departments to develop the flow charts that might help

to understand product delivery >> it that okay ms. chang. >> okay. great. so thank you. again ms. reynolds i want to talk about the double parking issue it is something that sfmta and sf pd can do given the pcos could do it's frustrating for cyclists so have trucks and major vehicles blocking the bike lane and parking in that area that's the only place they can park pushing bikers out into the street but important that vehicles can see around the double

parking. the project delivery the flow charts will be helpful and the suggestions on how we can improve and what other cities are doing. and also you mentioned the use of consistence it's my understanding that dwp has been able to use consultant to help deliver their projects on time and budget and having that conversation with sfmta is incredibly important especially, if we're able to convince the voters to support the go bond and the vehicle license fees and if we push sfmta to deliver quicker is something that wyoming can help us. so at this time i'll open this up for public comment on item 4. if you want to speak step forward and line up on your

right-hand side. good afternoon, commissioners i'm with the san francisco bicycle coalition. we're very excited to see the progress made in a short period the tragedy in the richmond district drives us to advocate for more ambition action. we want to commend the mta on their diligent work in establishing the accomplice of zero vision this is in a epidemic we're president the hard data this is will be the best way to achieve vision zero and we should prioritize geneva and all corridors that are in

dire need of improvements that he want to make sure that the necessary safety improvements and i believe that you as commissioners can help us achieve that. so that we can achieve vision zero on our most dangers street we'll continue to work with the city families to achieve that >> thank you. >> good afternoon nicole snider i want to thank the public health department for the data driven solutions we're excited they're going to be implemented by january 2016 and an evaluation exponent to eliminate our high injury corridors. i also you know i think that

we're asking a lot of the city that's the basis of vision zero. and i want to highlight of the importance that you all plays in your mta commission and your other hats in terms of leading the charge on policy changes we understand that policies change behaviors and encouraging of making policies that discourage bad behavior help to get us to vision zero. how progressive do we want to be with the 24 projects that are 33 projects which is great. how initiative do we want to get how much more do we want to do look at golden gate and do

signal timing or lane changes and combine them with data driven engineering solutions so i think those are questions for you to consider and work on changes to sequa in the coming year or two with the planning department and motivating mta and the issues around complete streets and developing complete streets to help project coordination >> thank you, ms. snider for your suggestions seeing no more public comment it's closess. this is a list of pilot designs it will be in discussion i

certainly appreciated ms. snider's suggestions how far what we push the programs the corridors we've identified are the right ones but can we push the envelope maybe we can have meetings now until june. one the process and the second piece is funding and if there's a need for funding we should understand what it costs it will save us money and lives to prevent the accidents we saw today. i know we have another board of supervisors committee meeting that will be starting shortly so i'll save the restf