music periodically maybe once a month. >> great. >> let's see if our commissioners have any questions. >> or comments. >> i have to say that your bar is one of my favorite in san francisco, so thank you for making it such a wonderful place. >> you are welcome any time, all of you. >> any questions? comments? >> go ahead. >> commissioner perez. >> hi, on your application you said that your neighborhood contacts you spoke to a bunch of groups. >> i did. >> do you have any documentation. >> i do. >> i have a note from the restaurant and and i have a letter of support for larry who is at the north beach's project and one more that i am not finding and should i pass these

here? >> and i know that we have the support of toska's next and we could, which is reopened next door and the also the cbd. all right, any other commissioner comments or questions? >> if not... okay. >> and so i know that flex has been there for a long time and i have been there several times as well. but, you know, when we ask you to do community out reach it is generally not to other businesses special for a business association. and this is for limited live. and so did you do, you did the cbd and that was your neighborhood community organization. >> and larry with the north beach musicians. >> okay. >> and then i asked the first of all there is nobody around us and so i spoke to oskas and so i mean, for example, there

is like the tell graph hill, dwellers and there is a lot of community groups like that and i wonder if you had done any out reach to them. >> i did not. to the tell graph hill dwellers. >> okay. i mean, i am not saying that like you had to i was just wondering if there was a community group other than cbd, just the north beach musicians. >> okay. >> all right. why don't you have a seat. and then there are not additional conditions that it looks like the police are requesting at this time. >> that are not. >> all right. >> but, let's hear the public comment and then we can discuss the further if you would like to commissioners. >> good evening, commissioners gale and i have been in the north beach resident for the last 12 years and i serve on the board of the broad way cbd and i am also the vice president of the district three demographic club and by day i am the executive director of the community housing

partnership, the largest developer in san francisco for the homeless individuals and i am here to marylyn is way to humble to let you know that out reach that i did on her behalf as someone who lives in the neighborhood and has a lot of ties and they did not vote because we are normally not taking positions on limited live permits or other kind of permitting that is happening in the district but when announced to the board, which also includes the gentleman who owns the property, that spec's rents they were supported of the permit and enthusiastic to bring the music back. and i spoke to stephanie green berg who is the president of the neighborhood association and they felt too that while they had no meeting in the month of april that they will be happy to see limited live music returned to that stretch and corridor and adjacent to them is the pearls jazz club which is taken over and has a concept for that space, and above them is the script club

and the garden of eden and then the office space at 250 come lum bus and so there are no residential neighbors that will be impacted by sound in any way, i hope that you will approve this permit and i think that the community will welcome it and it will bring the activity back to a space and i also spoke to darin smith who is the general manager of a cafe and did not put a letter in writing, they were happy to support as well and hope actually folks will support their expansion efforts out into kearny street. and so i think that it is an area that is coming back to life that will be respectful of the tenants living along the corridor and will do well with music and so i hope that you vote to approve. >> thank you. >> is there any additional public comment? >> no? >> all right, public comment is now closed. commissioners, entertain a motion? >> i would like to move to approve this permit. and also, i think that for the

limited live that she did absolutely enough out reach. so. >> all right tl, is a motion, is there a second? >> i will second. >> commissioner lee, second. >> any other comments? >> take it to a vote. >> okay, should we do this one, same house same call. >> yes. >> i think so. >> yes. >> thanks. >> that means that you are approved. congratulations. >> and we will move on to 5 d,al fred steakhouse and so this is marcello petri on 659 merchant street and applied for a limited live performance and this another legacy restaurant and bar, it has been known for their delicious stakes and would like to be known for comedy and the central station approved and offered no additional conditions. >> hello. >> how are you? >> commissioners. >> great, how are you. >> i am well. thank you. >> we would like to every once in a while and not with any

consistency, offer either a comedy or a music venue in our private room which is down stairs in the basement of our restaurant can hold about 80 or 90 people and i have been listening to your concerns about the other permits i think that you know, the one concern that we would have, would be our sro tenants that are in the same building as us, and they share the second and third levels of our building. but they are separated completely by an entire floor of our restaurant. and then the private room is down stairs, and it is, you know, brick walls on one side and we have never had in our 17 years of this location, any complaints about noise from that space. >> i think that we have questions for you, commissioner hyde?

>> so under the neighborhood contact, i think that these events, they will be within our regular hours and will not disturb our neighbors. so you did not do any neighborhood out reach? >> i did. i brought the letter that i sent to all of our neighbors. the management of the hotel above us, the restaurant that is next to us and the school that is next to us and the dialysis center that is next to us. and also the hotel, the hilton across the way. and i brought that to them, i think that the beginning of last week and i talked to a couple of the people and none of them seemed to have any issues with it at all. although i will say that i did not get from them any notes or signed statements saying that. >> when you were applying for the permit, did you see what was suggested for you to do, what we suggest that you do for neighborhood out reach? >> i believe so, and so far as contacting the neighbors and putting up the sign and all of that and i think that i am blanking on any other.

>> so, we with permits like this, the greatest issue that i face as a neighborhood representative is integration of this kind of business, and the neighbors. and without being consulted that starts out of a bigger issue if you don't go to the neighborhood organization or a merchant's association or a non-for profit in your area and we have listed for a different things that you can do. and to do your out reach. and even though you will be doing it by your hours, and in a room down below, and a lot of things that people don't understand is the in and out, and the extra people that is often added, causes stress to the neighborhood. and by going to these neighborhood organizations, and non-for profit you learn the kind of stresses that happen. and so, i really think that i mean that should be followed because that is an important step in integrating this kind

of business and these kinds of permits into the neighborhood. >> well, i apologize for not taking that action. being that this is my first into the entertainment world, i didn't really know exactly what to do and i am sorry that i fell through on that. >> so, lesson learned and we have a commissioner lee comment or question. >> can you explain the type of entertainment and there is a live, or a show? >> yeah, the particular show that we have worked on is a three piece band and a singer. so jazz style with piano, drum and base, and i believe only, i believe only the singer will really be amplified at that point. and we have thought about doing a comedy night as well in the future. >> but there is something that you guys are going to promote in house or the dinner show kind of thing?

>> yeah. and our i do absolutely understand, i mean, you know, having neighbors that hear other bars all night long and i have heard their complaints about, you know, listening to people coming in and out of bars all night long and i can certainly understand that. i will say that we have over these years done a lot of private events and rehearsal dinners and all banquet and that kind of thing where the people do get a little rucus and to date i have not had any complaints from our neighbors. >> and i think that you know, the alley and that is, we don't know where you are, i mean that nobody will even know. >> right. >> i mean it is a very unique space, it is very, you know, they, the library, that we had our summit, it has the forbidden city, exhibit from back in the day and in the 50s and they had a little, the

folleys you know these, that are 75 years old. and they had a singer, jimmy who was the actual singer back in the day, and they did the frank sinatrsxa, that is the kind of show that i think thatal fred would be great if we could do that, that is... >> and you know, we have the or because of the space we have a limited amount of people that can attend something like this. and you know, because of that, i feel like generally a little more calm of an event, and it is a little more sedated, and you know, it is certainly not a rock show, and certainly nothing where anything would get amped up too much. but, you know, i do really hope that everybody has a good time and leaves it quietly. >> and it is a couple of more commissioner questions, and commissioner joseph and then commissioner akers? >> so i have been to alfreds

and i have gotten taken there twice on my birthday and it is very elegant and it is a nice place. i can't imagine you doing anything, i mean, i just can't imagine it would work with your business. to do something that would be loud or so you are cognoscente and the business is good in >> yeah. good enough. >> okay. i mean, so, you are cognoscente that you will not do anything that would disturbing dining floor above? >> no. and that is a goal as well, and in fact, you know, part of it is a family business, and my family bought it 41 years ago and i took over 4 years ago and you know, why goal in taking it over was to keep it the way that i remember it when i was a kid going in there and i don't want to change it.

>> the signs in the bar are great. >> and the pictures of them. >> yeah. >> and i don't want to change any of that. i want to keep it as classy and elegant and i don't... calm as we are. you know? i feel like even on a busy night when we were as packed as can be, it is still a restaurant where you can hear yourself talk and where you can have a conversation and we don't want to disrupt that in any way, and we don't want to disrupt that on the floor, outside of our restaurant, to our neighbors, or anything. we want to keep things exactly the same and if this does not work out, then i would not want to do this. all right. >> commissioner akers and then we will wrap it up. >> okay, yes. >> my pardon that you have stated this already. but did you, do you do the out reach to the tenants in the sro? >> i did out reach to the management and i believe that

they posted my letter up on their board is what i saw when i went up there last. you know, the sro that is above us, has i think, 200 rooms and so unfortunately i can't contact all of them, but, you know, the landlord for that hotel is also our landlord, the manager, and from that hotel we know well and you know when i brought this up, i did ask, you know, has there ever been any complaints from your tenants about us on any given night? you know? i got a no. >> have you had the contact

with the sro. >> to be honest, ver the 17 years we have seen a lot of action up there. but we have never really communicated with anybody up there. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> one last question, is the space currently used for dining? or is that just an underground >> it is used for banquets. we have the parties in this room and sit down dinners that can do 60, or 70. but, with the smaller table and that kind of thing i think that you can hold a few more people. >> are you planning on to ticketing or is it just to accompany your dinner. >> the goal with this particular event would be to sell a ticket that includes a certain amount of food and beverage for the evening as well as the entertainment. >> as a package. >> got it. >> okay, great. >> any other questions or comments? >> otherwise we with like to open it up to the public comment. >> have a seat. >> thank you. >> public comment on the steakhouse limited live permit?

>> and it looks like there isn't any. so i will close the public comment. commissioners? any motion? >> i would move to approve this. >> i will second that. >> all right, is there any further discussion and it looks like the police don't have additional conditions to apply outside of our good neighbor policy. >> i would like to see more neighborhood out reach, personally. i mean, i just feel like if we are going to hold other people to it that we should hold everyone to it and i would like to see at least some sort of neighborhood group actually before we grant the permit to be honest. >> and do any of the other commissioners feel simply? >> no. >> i feel the same way, we are establishing this policy to

require every permit to have a neighborhood out reach and so i think that we need to enforce it. >> but i think that it is not our job to put undo strain on businesses that are long established and have a repport in the neighborhood and are looking to do something that is really mild, we are talking about an up scale and very expensive steakhouse and i pds that it is i understand that if good for one it should be good for all, but also think that this commission in its early days had a discussion about not putting undo stress on applicants for permits and that is why we grant conditionally and we don't make them come back after all of their sign-off and stuff like that. and so, although, i see your point, and in most cases i would agree with you in this particular case, i do not.

>> on my time during the commission, i know that we have added a condition that says that we approve, and allowed our staff to make that judgment whether they felt like the neighborhood out reach has been sufficient. so we can approve it with that amend that motion, though, and so i don't know if that is something that you feel like could work. >> one of the things that i am going to say about that is that it is okay to generally approve that, but as we get more into the idea of the neighborhood out reach is a needed thing and it is something that we as a commission have worked on togethers and i think that things change and maybe it is not how the commission started out but this is where we are now. and i think that to say that this is a high end steakhouse is my first red flag i am not saying that it is bad but just because it is high end does not mean that they have to do or that she should not do the community out reach and i am saying that if we do that and

as part of this permit i want to make sure that we start getting notified that the out reach is done and that we get and we can see it. or you know, what i mean? because before it is just like we say it and then we don't see it and i think that as we move forward we have to be a little more careful with how this is handled. >> i agree, and i do see, the point here and that it is an established business and that we as a commission should not be over burdening, businesses, and at the same time i think that we should balance and having some consistency and since i have been on the motion a short while it has been about 18 months i have seen the inconsistentcies and you know,

i am not clear on the nuances but sometimes it seems like discrimination, and i think that we want to be cautious about saying that if one business is up scale that they are exempt from the same rig ors of community out reach i am not saying that is what you are saying but that the tenants also to be mindful that if there are residents that are in an sro situation, that they, or their comforts and rights and dignity in their residents is not discounted because they are in something of you know, in an sro situation. and they may not be given the same rights that someone who owns a condo who participates in a neighborhood group is given. so, but i am also open to

voting in favor of the permit with the requests of staff to feel that the out reach has been satisfied and i think that it is something that we as a commission need to look at where are we falling on the neighborhood out reach and where we are holding to the standards and to be consistent about them. >> point taken, commissioner campagnoli, right before that, it looks like our staff has. >> i am sorry, commission, and so i did want to bring to your attention, that the applicant did do this letter which i will give to you that circulated and did go to the sro that was posted there. he did not make 200 individual copies but he did submit it to all of the neighboring businesses around. so i wanted to make sure that you knew that and we have done in the past, approved a permit and then pending additional out reach. >> right. >> great. commissioner campagnoli? and then... >> i was just going to say i

understand both points of view f we could conditionally grand and then the out reach comes in and we could do that. >> yeah. >> can you repeat the motion. >> yes. >> i would like to change the motion. >> okay, clearly state your motion. >> okay. i would like to make a motion to conditionally grant this permit pending the neighborhood out reach. >> which will be reviewed by our staff. >> reviewed by our staff. >> i will second that. >> will, i am... >> i thought it was the new motion. >> no it is not a motion. >> and i said, and yes, i second that. >> as well. >> okay, so, there is a motion and a second. and thank you for giving us a little bit more context with that letter. and why don't we take it to a vote. unless there is someone that wants to say something and it looks like commissioner... >> i just wanted to make sure that we get notified somehow

that that happens. just from hear on out. >> okay. >> okay. >> okay, on the motion to approve, the permit pending additional neighborhood out reach, that will be accepted by a staff level and then the commission will be notified. on that motion, commissioner akers? >> aye. >> pier. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> joseph. >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> and president tan. >> aye. >> and all right. that was a lively discussion. >> and we will move on to our next permit, of the elite cafe. >> and another good restaurant. >> okay, all right. and so this is another san francisco business, and the elite cafe located at 2049 fillmore and they have been in

business for 30 years and they would like to add the blues and jazz combo and northern station has no opposition to the permit and also offered no conditional conditions. >> great. >> good evening, thank you for having me. >> so, we just wanted to add some blues and jazz combo and it will definitely not be the focus of what we are doing and more of the ambient music for the dinner and for the brunch. and we immediately contacted phra, pacific heights association and they were kind enough to have me at their meeting and i went through and addressed their concerns and one of the things that i talked about was that for five years i had a live entertainment permit at the plaza which is two blocks north and in that five years, we did not have a single complaint or a police issue or anything of that kind, and the board seemed that they did not issue a letter to me directly, they seemed very satisfied and

there was not any concern raised beyond that. and i also, wrote a letter immediately to the fillmore merchant's association to let them know what we are planning to do even though you think that everyone will agree on something that is good for the street and people don't and i have got nothing but the support from that as well. >> great. >> commissioner joseph? >> so, the night of some of my favorite restaurants. i love the elite cafe, where are you putting this entertainment? >> where the old oyster bar was it is now two tables we will take those out and so it is 50 to 60 square feet in the front facing the restaurant. >> and off of the plaza is not anything, any more, right? >> it is an indian restaurant. >> yeah. >> latsi. ha own it. >> the building. >> not the business, as far as

i know. >> nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> commissioner perez, i would also like the plaza once upon a time. >> when you were just a child. >> yes. thank you so much for coming and i am so glad to hear that you actually did the neighborhood out reach and you went to the neighborhood association, and did the presentation. and you mentioned that you had no complaints when you were in the plaza and so what is your secret? i mean how did you... >> i think that the big thing is that both of the plaza and what we are planning to do at the elite is not to make the music the focus of what we are doing and it is something to augment what we are currently doing and so the worst thing that we could do from the elite from the business standpoint that will interrupt our dinner and brunch service because at the end of the day that is our bread and butt and her that is just a nice addition. and so i think that when if changing the personality of

what we are doing, and where the goal and then i could really foresee the problems and so then you can see the sound levels and here it is very much just giving an extra component to our guests to enjoy while they are having a conversation it is not as if, we are going to change, the table configurations and have it is people focusing on the music. and it is really going to be something that they are going to hear in the background while they are having dinner or brunch. >> any other questions? or comments? >> why don't you have a seat. >> thank you. >> it looks like northern station has no opposition. is there any police comment. if not, i will open it up to the public comment. >> no, public comment. all right. let's take a motion on this. commissioners. >> i move to approve. >> there is a motion and, a

second. >> i will second it. >> second by commissioner lee. >> same house same call. >> all right. passes. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> all right, let's move on to i think we have one more. >> one last one. >> this is for sf jazz, alvarado is applying for a permit from noon to 11:30, normally we take care of the out speaker administratively but because they are requesting to go to 11:30 p.m. we are bringing it to the commission. and does anybody here from sfjazz? >> sf jazz? >> it does not look like it. >> could i ask, where are they doing their event? >> so they are doing it the 200 block between goff and frank man. and they are doing it in front of the building? >> in front of the building.

>> yeah. >> and the map right here. >> okay. >> and i have a little bit more information, here, it is going to be you know, curb side and they are going to have some outdoor really like overflow but they do want to have a loud speaker out there, so >> the permit? >> yes, they did. >> and did they just in this tented area? or are they doing stuff? >> just the tented area. >> okay. >> just over here. >> and i mean, i wish that someone was here. >> and yeah, so, it is the music, is just in the tented area, on fell street? >> or... are there loud... >> and 16th and so they could come back on may 6th. i do have, this map from it if you want to take a look at it. >> is it in the packet. >> we have a map in the packet.

is it similar? >> yeah. that would be it. >> could we hear the public comment? >> sure. >> commissioner akers? >> could we see them in two weeks? >> yeah, are we going to... for the public comment. >> on may 6th. >> may 6th would be the next meeting. >> so can i just ask some more questions about the map, so what it says is 15 feet clearance on the eastbound lane and the parking is that the emergency lane and so the whole street. >> the commissioner and the commissioner, and all right, the applicant is not here. >> we can't speculate as to whether or not that was, but i would rather not. and we have asked them and told them that they were going to be here and i think they in my mind are obligated to be here to get your permission. we are here, they want something from us, and in the end of the day, the point is that there are neighbors around this place and we get the phone ca