the janitor or others that do the maintenance they have in cost-effective way to get to work if they can carpool it would be great but either they have to drive or take a technique pursue so transportation it paramount. it says their safety in numbers and riding populated safe transportation would be a big help financially. lastly i'd like to bring up party buses. those buses come from the east bay and transport people to and from san francisco they create unsafe conditions by unloading passengers in front of night clubs and leaving those clubs to

process those folks all at once. if he were reliable transbay transportation many of the young people would be on bart and the party buses would decrease in you numbers. please know that the operators of night life industry appreciate the taxi for providing service to their patrons. i look forward to many great ideas that i know will come from our transportation experts and the late night transportation plan >> thank you, ms. joseph. i'll note at the conclusion of this hearing or in the next week or so will be getting a resolution to the board of supervisors to convene a working group to come up with a transmission plan. so next, i want to call up the

person from the office of workforce development to really take into account the economic benefits of night life for you our economy arrest i'm ben i'm the project manager in the office which workforce development i work to support the night life that's been noted an over $4 billion industry in san francisco. but despite this city's significance we face changes and the limited night transportation is one of the challenges. the need for improvement is not about just adding convenience it's about supporting 50 thousand people across the country and for the tourism in san francisco. the ability to effectively

travel to and from businesses is critical and the survivalist of the night life patrons and even though health of the neighborhoods where the establishments are located. our transportation system does noted adequately meet the niece of the employees or patrons. i'm encouraged by this how to improve trait late at night. i want to thank sfgovtv for a survey on polk street. that survey admittedly one night on polk street provides a window that the changes that the patrons face. so on friday september 20, 2013, the survey was done at several establishments and they

interviewed one hundred people plus and asked how they left that evening. sfo percent of the people that responded to the survey this is only patrons. less than 10 percent of the responders said they arrived or planned to use muni. over a 3rd of respondents were unaware of overnight muni and bus services an additional 20 percent were not aware of what where they ran. and what we can could to improve it the respondents said increase the frequencies of buses or include bart. first, it is under scoring one the nodes we have we need data

how people are using existing services and understand the ridership noerd in order to develop more policy. as we gather the information we know they're not taking advantage of those services it does not mean the services are not there but people may not know about them. we should look at a system how people traffic at night. another piece of information many late night patrons don't know the services and the differences between daytime and the night time routes. as we move forward we want to make sure the information is distributed and we'll work with the night life community to

educate people will late night option. there are many ideas we can look at just last month the massachusetts transbay authority includes extend late night services and seattle and sidney have late night taxis. and vancouver and seattle allows the patrons to pay for parking meters. no solution will address you'll see san francisco late night transportation needs we need to gather the information. so psyching will be a win-win for the neighborhoods in which the businesses are located. and look forward to working with you supervisor wiener and the board and with our transit providers as we moved >> has there been any thoughts

given to the mta to do surveys in another come up of areas great in lower polk but maybe in the marina and castro. >> that's certainly feedback in talking about it with the night life bus owners i think that's certainly worth exploring. we're fortunate to have mta team to do the survey and got out on polk street on a late friday night >> and then i also and i'll be asking the gentleman from mta in terms of making sure we better inform people will be the late night services does exist and

how overnight service there is not a centralized place to find the service and seems like mta can do basic changes on website or some of the apps that have muni information and make it easier for people. i agree the industry can play a part in disseminating the information >> some of the transit websites it gets buried in a woo it's easy to understand why people are not aware. >> next i'd like to call of john the director of the mta operations thank you. >> thank you. i want to just highlight a few things about the

existing service. and will submit it gave us a good foundation to build off number one but some of the comments the speakers that preceded me have will i think we're a little bit prove terrific we have two routes the 90 and 91 which are customized out service that go around the service as well as identified another group of routes that are major car routes. those routes this has been the same service pattern since 2008 and 2009. what's interesting the ridership on a typical week day is 55 trips that's across the lines. the bigger one is 13 hundred

trips. in 2013 it was a system wide ridership survey and one of the questions asked outside of the ridership data collection one of the questions was including what's the purpose of your trip. and 87 percent said employment. and of the 87 percent said they use the service 5 times a week. in looking at the income distributions it's higher with low income people then the rest of the system. that's what we learned in the initial survivor in 2013. another couple of points. you can see the other point that needs to be made citywide and i'll go to the map.

i'm sorry for the blurness of this but citywide outside of market street you'll see a thirty minute headway a vehicle every thirty minutes and two of the routes the 90 and 91 which mirror some of the rail lines the 91 has angle 86 minute scheduled one way trip it lilt tries to cover a board as area as possible. i think you've heard from your comments and others speakers talk about the need to let people know hates out there that's critical we can do better with the services running. and we do have good ridership information as to ridership by line and as i said the mission is representing the biggest bulk

of the overnight service. our ridership information shows a spike especially on friday and saturday nights on 2:00 a.m. in terms of the existing service. again, i think it's a good system wide it feeds into other carriers in the region and a good practices to start we looked at what to effectively build on the demand and who's going where. the first option describes what i talked about the existing service profile only with more of a focus on making sure that people understand what we're doing and what the service is and how they feed into the others network. option 2 is to focus on a feeder

bus service on market street we'll go from west portal down to the ferry building to embarcadero to the service in the core of the city and then the third option is to do similar to adding the bus service but have the f line run from fisherman's wharf to the terminal at castro. so those are some of the options we would consider and they are things that we could do under the right set of circumstances and once we learn more. the next step we would be thrilled to be part of the discussion and w work with you and making sure we take a look at gathering the information and data and thinks what the

ridership ridership is and where people are going and work with everyone on educating the overall market and looking at the impacts that we have to manage. the regional connectivity we have a different set of issues and the riders with the east bay and downtown throughout the neighborhoods. as we put together a plan take into account how we might want to contribute additional or better resources >> several questions. right now when does the f slash e on embarcadero which does it stop running >> 1 o'clock monthly. >> when does it start in the

morning? 5? depending on on subway starts the first train is 440 something and buses begin to pull out at the 4 >> so the market starts about the same time. then in terms of of the rail system in terms of not enough vehicles there are breakdown issues. but right now the light rail system what's the hours >> approximately the last trains are within a few minutes of 1 o'clock leaving downtown and going out. >> so the last train from the downtown core will leave around 1 o'clock. >> right. >> what time do she start in the morning. >> the first revenue train is

440 and there is our system requires because of the automateic trains we'll have them into go through at 440 and dropping off on open stations. >> in the we understand in the morning what time does the light rail start. >> 8:00 a.m. that's the longest shut down window and 6 on saturday. >> has minnesota ever considered expanding light rail hours? i mean even if only on friday or saturday night if not all night instead of 1 o'clock maybe 2 or 230 so sync up a little bit

better when the bars close >> i can't say for certain if there's been an analysis done. i suspecttolysis there has but it has to be mitigated. we have scheduled in the next couple of years in addition to the maintenance we have the automatic transcribe system as well as the track and track bed and replacement of overhead wire on the twin peaks tunnel. those are two examples and again with the system that has the limitations, if you will, from a flexibility and not a lot of turnovers or turn backs or cross

offers that would allow us to run up one-track and not the other but in my time there's been a comprehensive look at it >> that might be good we have capital projects that can impact things but it would be worth you have it in the next steps in terms of looking at the costs there's costs is a to all i have this but that will be good to get some analysis from muni what the possibilities are both on the bus side and on the rail side. >> yeah. for purposes of the hearing we focused on the surface but we could put together a white paper on the issues and cost. >> that would be great.

in terms of i know there are muni has a lot of challenges sometimes unavailability of vehicles and they're going through a process to replace the buses for the next generation of light rail vehicles your agency doesn't have unify overall and many is of the reliability you issues but it will take time to get to the end of the process. in terms of the night time service and particularly the l service with sometimes shortages that the agency has with vehicles and not having enough operators does that impact overnight service in the way we sometimes see it effecting daytime services. i know on the lower ridership lines the 37 or 52 you may have

a miss run because of not having a operator but you might not notice that but when you have a bus coming every 25 or thirty minutes and one vapors because of no driver do you see that in the l search. i see the schedule that the l service runs on that way we see longer gaps do you have the same around the shortage of operator issues >> in terms of the out service there's a couple of things that going come into play we're refining it constantly. when you have two necessary lines that have to go out and only one operator if it's during a peak period say if there's many, many lines like in you

took a line like the 48 that has 11 and 20 vehicles or that has to get filed first so you have something on every line. and try to use the criteria that says the first and last trips has to be filed and you aren't having more than 3 it's unacceptable so we continue to work daily both earlier in the morning and again mid afternoon to spread it. as far as the overnight services most of the time virtually all the over night services are filed it's the single biggest complaint we get about the night services we hear constantly if the buses are not

out there they're a lifeline for people to get to work and make connections. sometimes when we look at the on time operation the night service is uneven. unlike other systems during the rush hours or midday even we would take into account that and say oh, my god we do not want to pay 35 but we hold those buses intentionally so people make their connections. we're also focused on, on time performance overnight because we need to make sure that people we don't strand no one. you know that trumpets on time services. to give you a long answer to your short question no we

wouldn't have problems overnight with either vehicles because if we were to go to some longer service plan we would have to create a new schedule that would build that into our service plan. that's the kind of thing, you know, with all our help and support and the coming of the t dp it's about adding additional service so we want to take and build into the existing service >> i will then your honor, it over to supervisor cowen. i encourage you to have more even a small increase in the amount of vehicles out there could make a huge difference. i've had this discussion with director reiskin and you go on

spring break and the ridership goes down because of the spring break so you have lower ridership so the agency cuts back on frequency. i understand the rationale for that my prospective is even if it's spring break or overnight even though there's a lower ridership those people i appreciate our acknowledge it's a lifeline. so i don't mind during the periods you see fewer people having the service really induces people to ride. ms. cane mentioned this there's a lot of people that would ride it if they thought it was more available but even if their arrears of that they're to have to wait an how are they don't bother. you saw the photos i put up from

saturday night i sent to you on saturday night. i know that that is an scheme example but having rode the subway on friday and saturday nights for many years to see the huge head ways on 9 o'clock on friday or saturday night it dissuades people from relying on muni so putting this out with some information can help. i appreciate the data i haven't heard the 87 percent of the overnight riders were workers and they're on average low income than the system as a whole that's useful information. supervisor cowen >> thank you very much i have

two quick questions related to the slide. entitled potential items for the surfaces. you presented 3 options i want to know who or which bodies is going to determine what is optimal >> i'm sorry i don't understand your question. >> you provided a package for building on options 1, 2, 3 who is going to pick the best option. >> i understand. i think that's a product of number of things because what i've heard from the previous speakers and i think my understanding of the intent of this importing is to take a look at it and future identify where the areas are and what groups are looking for more service and building a comprehensive service

plan >> let me stop you i understand the rationale i want to know in the end once you've done all you're studying who is going to vote onion those items. i'm under the impression that's the mta commission who is going to decide >> we'll make a recommendation as part of our service plan if we went to add additional service we'll ask our sfmta board to accommodate any requests and increase in service. >> i will understood it seems like the right process is put together a working group that includes the agencies and folks in the community. and then various ideas and recommendations can go up and ultimately the transit providers whether it's bart or muni will have to make the depreciations

so that seems like the right process that's my view >> i understand. what you're view is but i wanted to know if that's sfmta's view. certainly it's a more collaborative process is ideal like the one you described but i don't think that's how mta a usually whether it's fair increases or changes to roulths we've got options here i want to know how is mta going to do that is it a collaborative approach or make a recommendation to the commissioner commission and the commissioner vote >> what we're suggesting is part of this whole hearing process and working with - because what you're saying for me is a transit recommendation there's the other parts of the

mta that will want to look at parking and potential taxi options as well that need to be considered. so what correct me if i am wrong what i envision we'll take the options we've suggested and in addition evaluate what commissioner lee said what will it take to do something with the rail system and build the information that's been collected and see what service or subset of service plans will meet the need and the first step will be to work with all of you if we get an agreement on the approach go back to our board and is as part of our service plan we'll change the mix of the service or look for funding to

add additional service >> what's the timeline for - that you're going to be using as you consider those options. when will you make a decision on the option if at all >> again we've got some go ridership data as i tried to indicate what that so we need to see this is the best option where is the additional demand what parts of the city and times are we not servicing where are people needing to go so those options may fit or tweak those options a little bit to adjust. so we want to get to, however, quickly data is collected