neighborhood out reach, personally. i mean, i just feel like if we are going to hold other people to it that we should hold everyone to it and i would like to see at least some sort of neighborhood group actually before we grant the permit to be honest. >> and do any of the other commissioners feel simply? >> no. >> i feel the same way, we are establishing this policy to require every permit to have a neighborhood out reach and so i think that we need to enforce it. >> but i think that it is not our job to put undo strain on businesses that are long established and have a repport in the neighborhood and are looking to do something that is really mild, we are talking about an up scale and very expensive steakhouse and i pds

that it is i understand that if good for one it should be good for all, but also think that this commission in its early days had a discussion about not putting undo stress on applicants for permits and that is why we grant conditionally and we don't make them come back after all of their sign-off and stuff like that. and so, although, i see your point, and in most cases i would agree with you in this particular case, i do not. >> on my time during the commission, i know that we have added a condition that says that we approve, and allowed our staff to make that judgment whether they felt like the neighborhood out reach has been sufficient. so we can approve it with that amend that motion, though, and so i don't know if that is something that you feel like could work. >> one of the things that i am going to say about that is that it is okay to generally approve that, but as we get more into

the idea of the neighborhood out reach is a needed thing and it is something that we as a commission have worked on togethers and i think that things change and maybe it is not how the commission started out but this is where we are now. and i think that to say that this is a high end steakhouse is my first red flag i am not saying that it is bad but just because it is high end does not mean that they have to do or that she should not do the community out reach and i am saying that if we do that and as part of this permit i want to make sure that we start getting notified that the out reach is done and that we get and we can see it. or you know, what i mean? because before it is just like we say it and then we don't see it and i think that as we move forward we have to be a little more careful with how this is

handled. >> i agree, and i do see, the point here and that it is an established business and that we as a commission should not be over burdening, businesses, and at the same time i think that we should balance and having some consistency and since i have been on the motion a short while it has been about 18 months i have seen the inconsistentcies and you know, i am not clear on the nuances but sometimes it seems like discrimination, and i think that we want to be cautious about saying that if one business is up scale that they are exempt from the same rig ors of community out reach i am not saying that is what you are saying but that the tenants also to be mindful that if there are residents that are in

an sro situation, that they, or their comforts and rights and dignity in their residents is not discounted because they are in something of you know, in an sro situation. and they may not be given the same rights that someone who owns a condo who participates in a neighborhood group is given. so, but i am also open to voting in favor of the permit with the requests of staff to feel that the out reach has been satisfied and i think that it is something that we as a commission need to look at where are we falling on the neighborhood out reach and where we are holding to the standards and to be consistent about them. >> point taken, commissioner campagnoli, right before that, it looks like our staff has.

>> i am sorry, commission, and so i did want to bring to your attention, that the applicant did do this letter which i will give to you that circulated and did go to the sro that was posted there. he did not make 200 individual copies but he did submit it to all of the neighboring businesses around. so i wanted to make sure that you knew that and we have done in the past, approved a permit and then pending additional out reach. >> right. >> great. commissioner campagnoli? and then... >> i was just going to say i understand both points of view f we could conditionally grand and then the out reach comes in and we could do that. >> yeah. >> can you repeat the motion. >> yes. >> i would like to change the motion. >> okay, clearly state your motion. >> okay. i would like to make a motion to conditionally grant this permit pending the neighborhood out reach. >> which will be reviewed by

our staff. >> reviewed by our staff. >> i will second that. >> will, i am... >> i thought it was the new motion. >> no it is not a motion. >> and i said, and yes, i second that. >> as well. >> okay, so, there is a motion and a second. and thank you for giving us a little bit more context with that letter. and why don't we take it to a vote. unless there is someone that wants to say something and it looks like commissioner... >> i just wanted to make sure that we get notified somehow that that happens. just from hear on out. >> okay. >> okay. >> okay, on the motion to approve, the permit pending additional neighborhood out reach, that will be accepted by a staff level and then the commission will be notified. on that motion, commissioner akers? >> aye. >> pier. >> aye. >> hyde. >> aye. >> joseph. >> aye. >> lee. >> aye. >> campagnoli. >> aye. >> and president tan.

>> aye. >> and all right. that was a lively discussion. >> and we will move on to our next permit, of the elite cafe. >> and another good restaurant. >> okay, all right. and so this is another san francisco business, and the elite cafe located at 2049 fillmore and they have been in business for 30 years and they would like to add the blues and jazz combo and northern station has no opposition to the permit and also offered no conditional conditions. >> great. >> good evening, thank you for having me. >> so, we just wanted to add some blues and jazz combo and it will definitely not be the focus of what we are doing and more of the ambient music for the dinner and for the brunch.

and we immediately contacted phra, pacific heights association and they were kind enough to have me at their meeting and i went through and addressed their concerns and one of the things that i talked about was that for five years i had a live entertainment permit at the plaza which is two blocks north and in that five years, we did not have a single complaint or a police issue or anything of that kind, and the board seemed that they did not issue a letter to me directly, they seemed very satisfied and there was not any concern raised beyond that. and i also, wrote a letter immediately to the fillmore merchant's association to let them know what we are planning to do even though you think that everyone will agree on something that is good for the street and people don't and i have got nothing but the support from that as well. >> great. >> commissioner joseph? >> so, the night of some of my

favorite restaurants. i love the elite cafe, where are you putting this entertainment? >> where the old oyster bar was it is now two tables we will take those out and so it is 50 to 60 square feet in the front facing the restaurant. >> and off of the plaza is not anything, any more, right? >> it is an indian restaurant. >> yeah. >> latsi. ha own it. >> the building. >> not the business, as far as i know. >> nice to see you. >> good to see you. >> commissioner perez, i would also like the plaza once upon a time. >> when you were just a child. >> yes. thank you so much for coming and i am so glad to hear that you actually did the neighborhood out reach and you went to the neighborhood association, and did the presentation. and you mentioned that you had no complaints when you were in the plaza and so what is your

secret? i mean how did you... >> i think that the big thing is that both of the plaza and what we are planning to do at the elite is not to make the music the focus of what we are doing and it is something to augment what we are currently doing and so the worst thing that we could do from the elite from the business standpoint that will interrupt our dinner and brunch service because at the end of the day that is our bread and butt and her that is just a nice addition. and so i think that when if changing the personality of what we are doing, and where the goal and then i could really foresee the problems and so then you can see the sound levels and here it is very much just giving an extra component to our guests to enjoy while they are having a conversation it is not as if, we are going to change, the table configurations and have it is people focusing on the music.

and it is really going to be something that they are going to hear in the background while they are having dinner or brunch. >> any other questions? or comments? >> why don't you have a seat. >> thank you. >> it looks like northern station has no opposition. is there any police comment. if not, i will open it up to the public comment. >> no, public comment. all right. let's take a motion on this. commissioners. >> i move to approve. >> there is a motion and, a second. >> i will second it. >> second by commissioner lee. >> same house same call. >> all right. passes. >> congratulations. >> thank you very much. >> all right, let's move on to i think we have one more. >> one last one. >> this is for sf jazz, alvarado is applying for a permit from noon to 11:30,

normally we take care of the out speaker administratively but because they are requesting to go to 11:30 p.m. we are bringing it to the commission. and does anybody here from sfjazz? >> sf jazz? >> it does not look like it. >> could i ask, where are they doing their event? >> so they are doing it the 200 block between goff and frank man. and they are doing it in front of the building? >> in front of the building. >> yeah. >> and the map right here. >> okay. >> and i have a little bit more information, here, it is going to be you know, curb side and they are going to have some outdoor really like overflow but they do want to have a loud speaker out there, so >> the permit? >> yes, they did. >> and did they just in this tented area? or are they doing stuff? >> just the tented area.

>> okay. >> just over here. >> and i mean, i wish that someone was here. >> and yeah, so, it is the music, is just in the tented area, on fell street? >> or... are there loud... >> and 16th and so they could come back on may 6th. i do have, this map from it if you want to take a look at it. >> is it in the packet. >> we have a map in the packet. is it similar? >> yeah. that would be it. >> could we hear the public comment? >> sure. >> commissioner akers? >> could we see them in two weeks? >> yeah, are we going to... for the public comment. >> on may 6th. >> may 6th would be the next meeting. >> so can i just ask some more questions about the map, so what it says is 15 feet

clearance on the eastbound lane and the parking is that the emergency lane and so the whole street. >> the commissioner and the commissioner, and all right, the applicant is not here. >> we can't speculate as to whether or not that was, but i would rather not. and we have asked them and told them that they were going to be here and i think they in my mind are obligated to be here to get your permission. we are here, they want something from us, and in the end of the day, the point is that there are neighbors around this place and we get the phone calls. and so, it is lovely they want to raise money, i love sfjazz to death. but if they want to be up on saturday night amplifying in a tent which is not sound proof to 11:30 at night in the street, i think that it behoofs them to be here. >> i make a motion that we move this to may 6th. >> i second. >> all right. >> the motion to continue in to

the next meeting, may 6th. >> yes. >> do we need to take the public comment first? >> continuing this. >> all right. >> okay, on the motion to continue this to may 6th. the same house same call? >> yes. >> yes. >> continued to may 6th. >> and then the final loud speaker permit is on your... are you ready for that one? >> we seconded it. >> oh,, we did. >> so the final permit is for additionally a cultural institution and the sf is doing a gala or a modern ball, i think that it is called. and that goes in the other one. and they have and it is in your packet, withdrawn this application and so i think that there is no conversation and there will not be amplification on it, outside in the morning on a wednesday, thank you.

>> all right. so we don't have to take any action on this. >> no. >> okay. >> great, that leaves us to item 6, which is commissioner comments and questions. commissioner hyde? >> hi, so, first of all i would like to say thanks for the summit, and i thought that it was great and i always get a lot of stuff out of there and of course, i went around making the rounds and making sure that the other areas might indeed have part of their rental agreement, and notification, of the entertainment and i have talked to a few people and i am not sure if anything will come of it and it was a brilliant idea and it should be in here and they should be notified and since i called called out for my facebook post and i might as well, add in the comments that i did go home, and post a joke about the cab drivers and lift and uber argument that i heard

for two hours up at late night commission meeting and i did mean it to be a jovial gest and i did not mean that i was supporting one or the other. and i know that i often get upset if people make fun of harm reduction and so i am sorry if i roughle thed feathers. >> we will tell bary that you said that. >> hopefully he will watch that and sorry bary. >> so, with cincode mayo coming up i don't remember it being a big issue are we doing any special announcements or the best practices to our permit holder? >> well, i know that there is a couple of events or permitting daytime on that weekend, before and i think that it is... >> it is on a tuesday. >> or a monday or a tuesday. >> yeah. >> so, all right, we don't expect it to be overly, dramatic, and i mean that we

have the usual suspects of the, you know, parties in the mexican restaurant and but, if i hear of anything. and out of the ordinary, and i am sure that inspector burke will be on the scene. >> all right, any other commissioner comments? >> just want to say that i do believe that i am very thrilled that the city is really doing well. and that we have a lot of businesses and our unemployment rate is super low. and i am really glad that i own my house. but, with that comes a lot of challenges to entertainment. and the denser the population, brings two different kinds of people and it brings the people who want to go out and are very tolerant and the people who have absolutely zero tolerance and it also brings a lot of entertainment is a free speech issue. and it also brings a lot of

regulation that may be overly regulating, regulations or unnecessary regulations or harmful regulation and so i would like my commissioners to keep their eyes and ears opened for upcoming legislation that may impact our street fares and other event likes the new prevailing wage legislation and so on and so forth and keep yourself mindful and you know, informed on what is happening. because i think that we will be having the discussions on that. and you know, maybe more about the bottled water and so on and so forth as we go on to the next year. >> thank you. >> i think that it is ask you during your report, but, from the hearing yesterday, i did not get to watch the whole thing on-line, but what are the next steps? i think that supervisor weiner said that he might be introducing some sort of resolution?

>> yeah. so that is the plan right now. is we present it a set of problems and a set of possible ideas for solutions, and suggested that the city come up with a integrated transportation plan and so with that in mind, he is going to basically, yeah, introduce a resolution to create a task force. and i mean, and i have not seen the wording yet, but i think that is will be in the groups. >> a working group, okay, a working group that reports back to the board in a period of time on progress, and then hopefully at the end of that it will produce a plan that in my mind we will push towards integrating into the larger transportation of the mayors may be putting forward that there may be resources for it and that kind of thing. assuming that he is going to ask you or someone from the

entertainment commission or staff to serve on that working group. >> i think that he is going to ask the arizona commission and the representative from oewd to co-chair that group. >> great. >> thank you. >> any other final comments? is there any public comment on what we just talked about? >> no? >> all right. let's move on to item 7, new business requested for the future agenda items. >> take it away commissioner hyde. >> i think that i would like to talk to atmosphere. i juflt think that it would be good to have them here and talk to them. i mean every week, we hear about them and it would be nice to have a chat. so, as soon as that can be arranged if it could be the next meeting that would be awesome. >> all right. >> any other agenda items? >> no. is there any public comment on what we would like to talk about in faout future?

>> i think that concludes our meeting tonight, and thank you all for coming in and tuning in. >>