and thank you for allowing us to come back and apply for the limited live. i just want to go a little bit over our security plan, and you know, we are having carded the security guards that will be on the premises at all times and we do 50, and we will have one security officer per 50 guests in the building and that is what we currently do, and when we have an event going on during large events, again, we have quiet announcements for the ladies and gentlemen, to periodically remind them to be quiet and i am still a little nervous here about the neighborhood to keep the noise down. we already practiced to collect and confiscate all unconsumed beverages 15 minutes prior to closing an event and again, we put some notices out so that the ladies and gentlemen that

are outside can know that requesting them to keep the noise level down as well as our security officers, we will do that when we are outside as well. and security will also walk and initially we are going to say, 50 feet and they will walk 100 feet, florida, to keep or to contain the ladies and gentlemen, that are outside of the club smoking. and as well as 100 yards about 100 feet on mariposa as well as keep the noise level contained and all of our employees, again, we will instruct them in terms of managing to keep an eye on the patrons and keep an eye on what is going on so that we can control any, occurrences that happens in the building and the security understands that any, altercations that happen in the building or outside of the building that we separate the combat ants and we send one on their way and we hold the other one for ten or 15 minutes to make sure that

they are gone so that we can send the other, if it gets, to a point where it is not controllable by our security, once we have separated, we will call san francisco police department. >> and we have plans in place, again, to fortify the windows, and to insulate as well as we can can the establishment to contain the noise within our in-house built system is pretty limited, it is probably about 300 watts if that and we do intend to purchase our own sound system and put it into existence, but also to make sure that we contain the noise. and we again, as mark said, we have done some out reach, and to ours in particular to try to give them our word and sustain that, and make sure that we comply with that and as art said, a first meeting, we had

roughly 25 people and we have got, and we asked for e-mail address, and along with the names so that we can send out via e-mail when we are having another meeting, i did that with the five ladies and gentlemen, that i did receive their names, for the second meeting that we had, and again, no attendance for that one. and sent out a reminder

>> so the band is located right here where these steps are and so there is really no sound system and it is just for this part of the restaurant. >> okay. >> they play the bongos. >> and are you going to have a dj at any time? >> that is this sunday, and sunday that we... >> and so what about the sound system for that? >> they currently bring their own sound system and we are looking to, and we are going to purchase our own for them to use. >> and so, in the meantime, do you have a criteria of what the sound system should be? how big in how big are the speakers where they are placed in you know and stuff like that? >> and again, the band will be and the dj in the same place, and those, those specs that i put in, our application in terms of what we are looking to receive, is kind of the same

that the band currently uses now. >> you are talking about the dj? >> you mean? >> yeah. there are a pair of kw, 152 self-, power and the 181, 18-inch power, at 1,000 watts. >> the first one, the first one is kw what? >> 152. >> okay. and then the sub is a what? >> a kw? >> 181. >> okay. and that is reasonable. >> that is funny i was just looking at kw and they had new speakers on-line and so that is just so funny that. and so i am good, thank you. >> and any other commissioner lee? >> and the program on sunday is that in house, every week? >> yes, sir. >> and is that dj >> correct. >> and so right now, since it is a portable system, it is pretty low but would you be

objective if you do get one complaint that the sound inspector comes out and checks that or gives you a setting and then you can check it with your phone? >> absolutely. no objection at all to that. >> all right. and i don't see any more comments or questions and why don't you have a seat and we will bring up the police. >> thank you. >> houser, is that how you say that because i need some fine houser, earphones. for where we are visiting comment last meeting it was tough. because they inherited a space that had a lot of history. and then they came before myself and the directors in a meeting that sounded very similar to what we have here at

the hearing, which was a lot of i don't know. and i feel like the limited live performance is more suited to what they are planning on doing, and what they have been doing, prior to having a permit. and the one condition that they have objected to is the one that i am most strongly encouraging to be enforced and that be the hours of limitation. and based on all of the neighborhood out reach to me, and in the concern that has been voiced in the past and it continues to be voiced, is that this has become a neighborhood. and maybe, looks industrial and has an industrial at one point but it is a neighborhood and there have been people that have been harmed by patrons of the past and with the lack of

purposeful operations and from cana to present i would like to see the hours be limited, they only, you know the sunday, fun day is their main event, which i showed you some pictures where it was looking more like club day sunday than a restaurant. and you know, if that event only going to 9:00 and i don't see any problem with the hours being until nine. you know, i think that mr. mitchell is here with good intentions. and he has a business to run, and we all know that dollars come first, and a lot for a lot of people, and so, i am glad that they agree to my very long list of conditions. i put them together thoughtfully mostly with the neighborhood in mind, and with the folks that live in that neighborhood. >> thank you. commissioner hyde, do you have a question or a comment? >> yeah.

so, i mean, i understand why you are thinking about limiting the hours, but bringing them into compliance, and having them under our purview, wouldn't that, i mean should we do that if they don't behave well and sort of do that as we revisit and because really what we are doing is bringing them under our purview to make sure that they start behaving and a man their should be. and so, i mean i know that i understand that the past and the neighborhood is anxious about it. but i think that we have now spent, you know, a month with them. and i think that you know, limiting them before they even get a chance to prove themselves, i don't think that you know, a full on entertainment license was warranted at that time, but i think that with a limited live, that we should be able to give them the benefit of the doubt and then limit their hours, if

they could not maintain. >> you know, and we have had this discussion before in the option in the past where you and i have had very good open conversation with you know, the idea of giving people the opportunity to succeed. and i think with, i what would

the best compromise. >> and we appreciate your ponder ans on it and now we get to ponder it ourselves. >> commissioner akers? >> i have the concern about the condition number three and i knew that you would. >> i knew that you would bring that one up. >> me too. >> well, i mean, i will let you. >> but, my concern is that i think that it could be opened to interpretation and it is not specific enough. and or, if the people who are going to see the people who have opposition with the club and not supporting it as soon as they see that condition,

there is an immediate strategy to shut down their party. >> i would have to agree with you about that and i guess that my, and this is going to sound odd coming from a police officer, and i guess that you know, the to me i was hoping that people will play fairly and if there is not, because most of these folks complaints are not sound related it is what happens afterwards, the club not taking responsible for their patrons as they exit and what they do out in the streets. so that, one is knowing what or where the history of the complaint was more to do with after hours. and as well as hoping people are, you know, good people, and fairly, but i agree, i mean that it could very easily be, you know, well screw you, am i allowed to say that? >> the police department is already on the first complaint, setting this down to something

that the department agrees on, then, i think that should be enough. >> only if i get a shock button after. >> i am not into whipping. >> we will take other comments. >> within 100 feet of the venue, because the vicinity could be blocks and security guards are civilians and should not have to do that. >> i agree. >> so that was one. and the commissioner akers and commissioner hyde, address my others. oh, yeah, number 1 1. >> i want to strike the word interior.

okay. >> exterior is plenty. >> got you. >> so, let's, if we can change any of this language, but if we have any specific clarifying questions, or just comments to make for officer parker let's do that now and any language let's change later. >> yeah. >> i am good. >> anything else? >> from the commissioners thank you. >> thank you. >> we are going to open this up to public comment and i already have about three speaker cards up here and so i am going to call those first, could i see a raise of hands, is anyone here besides these three people to speak about cana, i see one. so, let's limit it to one minute per comment. >> two. >> two minutes. >> two minutes per comment. >> fan, and then keith and taxen. >> and hi, i didn't put down that i was opposed or in favor, because i thought that you guys

were asking the right questions, and officer parker. you guys are doing the right thing. and i want to disagree with my friend mark rene he is wrong this is a residential neighborhood, why he would spin is as not one i have no idea and we plan to come to his restaurant and we plan to come to cana if you approve their permit, i have also wanted to disagree with officer parker about the sound problem. there are commissioner lee, you talked about the bass, that is really the issue, my partner is a recovering structural engineer, she says that the supertine rock just sends those bass notes all over the neighborhood and so if you could take care of that for us and help us with the sound problems, i don't think that they were impossible, but i don't and they have not really addressed them quite the way they should. and so, it is a sound issue and

it is a security issue. and my other issue with this is that as i said, i think that you see that none of us in this neighborhood want nothing there. the idea of live music sounds really great, if it is well handled. and i don't want to come back and see you guys, again and unless it is at a restaurant or a club somewhere. so, if it is perhaps, and this will work out, with them and if you decided that it does not, i will trust you on it and we will find someone else to make a night live music restaurant scene there and if you do trust them and if you do work with them, and i can promise you that we will work with them in the coming and i will work with them in the community. thank you, for your service. >> thank you. >> kathleen okeefe and robert taxin and after that, justin passion. >> well, said, john. and john, actually, lives exactly opposed to where cana

is, you know, the location and so, what i wanted to say on my part and i live on the first floor on the same block and what has been my experience in the past is that maybe this will change, i hope that it does. they bring in party buses, and there is a lack of security. and the crowds get out of control. and you know, i don't feel safe walking around by myself. you know? that is about all that i have to say. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> robert taxin? >> hi, thanks for listening to me, again. and i want to say something about the out reach, that was a fake, you know we got one day's notice and we have the projects and we have an office that is open every day with a person there and so someone could come in and contact us and let us

know when these meetings are being held we got one day's notice, i personally could not make it and i didn't know anybody that could make it and nobody made it. it was an out reach in name only. it was a dog and pony show and it was not for real. wi could have been notified and i would have been there. you know, we went to the first meeting which was right before the meeting we went to last month here, and they called a hastily to put together a meeting and we went to it and told them what our problems were and issues with security and noise, and noise abatement, we were not told anything, as far as we know right now, there was no plan made whatsoever. we didn't know anything about the plan. it could have been sent to us or we are right across the street. the other thing is that i don't believe, and i mean that they are saying something so that they can get your approval for a permit, but bear in mind last month that in may, in march they were told that they could not perform without a permit

and put on three performances and made a business decision to accept the fine and go on with the performances that they were told with the entertainment commission that they couldn't do without any permit. it makes me feel that whatever stimulations you guys put on their ability to do the performances, you know for $100 fine or $150 fine seems to me that is a business decision that they are willing to make to the expense of we, the neighbors. so i urge you if you grant this permit to put in the time conditions, that officer parker has recommended to end at 9:00. monday through thursday. and ten on friday and saturday and sunday. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> justin passion. >> hi, i am the manager over at cana and we are trying really hard to come into compliance with whatever you guys want to put on us, we are trying really hard to make sure that we are good in the neighborhood and everybody has their opinions

and people are bias as to how it used to be, there is a lot of drama there and i used to go there and i hated it. and we are trying to give it a better atmosphere and not make everybody upset and make it so that we can survive as a small business and it is hard to stay afloat and those were the days that brought us more money, and the people have been calling and we are trying to hold that off and make sure that people come back when we do get to have this, if you guys allow this to have it so please. >> and hopefully we will abide by it that you guys give us. >> may i ask a point of clarification. >> you are the manager. >> yes. >> do you receive party buses. >> no. we probably received one, and it was a long time when i first started there when i was a bartender and i would never take a party bus because those are always, i don't know how to say it in a nice way, the people that we would not want to have that would cause a

problem with us that we don't want to deal with and the people that would not and would cause, like an issue with our community, as well. >> thank you. >> any other public comment? >> on cana? >> come on up and state your name. >> my name is mano and i am a 35-year resident at developing environment and a block away from cana and i am here to speak in support of officer parker's recommendations. i think that cana stepped into a situation that was auful for any business to step into. and they stepped into a war zone, that never got cleaned up. and i, i understand and i respect their need for extended hours, because that is how that runs. i would rather see them earn that because they stepped into the situation, we did not ask them to come and do this so

that we could help them have this restaurant. >> and so, we, we are the ones that suffered for five or six years, well, nothing happened there. and i just don't want this to happen again and i am worried about enforcement. and i respect with cana is trying to do and i am tremendously concerned that there will be no enforcement and there will be a lot of slop over, and so if you, or i understand if we accept the permit and they have done everything right this time. and but, i am very concerned about the hours. and sort of spreading, i don't know, how to characterize it and you know what i mean and i want to thank you for hearing us. >> thank you. >> any final public comment? >> no? >> more >> come up and state your name. is there anyone else besides this last comment?

>> hi, i'm jennifer and i am also developing environment one block away. and i just want to put in a plea for officer parker's suggestion because that hour difference can make a lot of difference to us living there. and it is not so much what happens at cana i support their business, but it is really what happens afterwards on the streets that we suffer from. and so, i would like to say just take that in mind as you make your decision, because the hours can be vital and we also have businesses that we are trying to protect and that is why i am speaking as a resident and a business owner, thanks. >> thank you. >> all right, i don't see any more public comment. so, public comment is now closed. >> commissioner joseph? >> so, i want to make a motion here. but i do want to state something. i have heard the audience say they are only doing it for the money, it is a business decision. i don't know anybody that goes

to work and does not want to get a paycheck. i mean that accept for us up here. and none of us work for free. normally. and so, it is foolish to believe that someone would invest in a business and any business, your business, their business, and not want to earn a profit. not want to make money. not make business decisions. so to villify someone because they are operating a business that employs people and pays them a salary to pay rent and buy food and doing public transportation is unconcuable and i object to that kind of rhetoric in a big way, we are a city of small businesses and that is my two cents and to that end, i would like to make a motion on this permit, to approve, with the police conditions eliminating condition number 3. and changing condition number

8, to sunday through thursday, 9:00 p.m. friday and saturday, 10 p.m., condition number 1 1, excluding the word interior, condition number 12, clarifying the word vicinity to 100 feet. that is my motion. >> i would like to second and offer some amendments. >> why don't we take those amendments and see if the motion... >> what are they? >> i would just like to suggest that the ten p.m. be granted and allow them to if it does not work out then we should restrict them. it is my feeling. and i would like to add a no party bus stipulation, but i would like to do it sort of how they do it on broad way. like i would like to suggest that they don't accept party buses, but if they do, that someone is notified and i was

wondering if there is some way a structure for that. yes. >> so, the police is notified? >> i think that, you know, we notify the police when there is a special party or something like that and i believe on broad way if it is a, i mean if they say that they are not getting party buses i am tempted to say no party buses at all for this permit, but i am not sure. >> i just need a clarification, if this becomes a condition, of the permit, and the party bus arrives, unsolicited, and we are one inspector of the moment and hopefully two by the end of the month, are there, and it puts us in an awkward position to have a hard time enforcing a condition like that. >> so, a condition that requires notification, and in

advance, to whoever you feel is appropriate, i think works better because i think that we can then establish whether that was followed or not. >> you can. >> there is no public comment. >> okay. >> but, great. >> and then, i was also wondering if number two, should not say, level agreed upon by the san francisco police department and entertainment commission. >> it should... good point. and so, i accept your amendment to number 8, on number 2, it should just say the san francisco entertainment commission and delete the san francisco police department. because we do the sound test. and what was the other one, the party bus? >> yes, the party buses, could you clarify that? >> i do believe that the neighborhood has issues and that there are sound issues in the neighborhood and i believe that that sort of party buses if they were to be accepted could actually aggravate that unless there was some sort of a

way to notify the police, or someone about that. and also, on number 1 1, i would like to strike the words, up for 30 days. >> yes. >> so the... >> oh, and so i mean. >> okay. >> after the... >> i was thinking on the, no party buses without the notification of the sfpd. and or of the commission station. >> yeah, again, you are missing her point. >> what happens if an unsolicited party bus shows up? >> then they should turn it away and send it because they are not allowed to accept it. >> this is very difficult, and for a number of reasons, but i guess that more, i am sorry this is dragging on so long, but, the question of whether reality of that party bus industry, and relates in any way to the permit that you are considering, given the time frames that we are talking about and the number of