now the five underlying contracts will expire and need to be renewed okay so it is very difficult at the moment to say with the precision what the out years of the plan look like so the fact that there's still some challenge remaining in the out years is not especially disturbing it's especially note worthy and we need to approach this as a work in in progress and frankly there's a whole lot in play that will determine how this plays out we don't actually have this in front of us, do we? this is not an item for approval? >> we have the budget later in the agenda. >> oh okay. because we don't really need to do that do we? the mayor has authority to modify the budget?

>> your technical adoption is resolved to direct the general manager to request the supplemental appropriation to the board of supervisor's. >> so those were the two items that were added? >> specifically that item in your legislation the other two items related to hetch hetchy is the financial plan and capital plan those 10-year looks so the charter does require to adopt the financial and capital plan and i know the city attorney -- but those two require the adoption those help us and are instrumental as we t up the bond sale and the capital supplemental directs the general manager to request the supplemental. >> and the staff is coming up

with a plan to address the uncertainties that are out there and your request on a plan that deals with the cca as well and i think that's extremely important and i know the staff is working very hard on it. the only other comment i'll make is i like the go solar program i don't like funding it from our budget the people that get the grants are not our customers and i think that's, it puts an additional burden on us that isn't appropriate i think pg and e should step up to that and make investments themselves. >> that's going to happen real soon. . >> of course. >> it is a real dilemma and it's not something that's just us, it's statewide there's

insufficient attention to funds being put into that and it should be addressed at the statewide level as well. >> if i can make a comment -- so as you can tell there's a lot of hard choices that the mayor's office had to make and i just wanted to point out that we've been deferring infrastructure for a long time and as we talk about the program benefits that the program offered us over the years, if we don't pay attention to hetch hetchy none of this would be possible so i wanted to make sure everyone is grounded we need to take care of hetch hetchy because it produces 97 percent of our greenhouse gas free portfolio that we have i think we need to invest in what we have so i

think we need to look at that and the other thing in doing this business plan will really inform us in the direction we want to go and as it relates to cca we're looking at ways where we can make cca work for us in the past cca -- how can we make it a lower cost and use hetchy power and now looking at going after customers and getting more customers using heech hetch hetchy so as far as go solar is concerned we recognize that there is a benefit for go solar and when we were planning to look for other ways to look for funding other than coming to hetchy since we have

a financial situation so they can be self-sufficient so i talked to david hofstraw so you can't do a property tax so maybe you can look at transfer tax as a vehicle for funding i mean there's other i think thises that we can do to help move the needle instead of fighting over what program is best. so i think that the dialogue that we have will have at the department of the environment will hopefully be very fruitful and informative but we as a power enterprise our work is not done we plan to meet to meet quarterly there's a lot of challenges and demands put on that agency so we'll come to you with hopefully more information on how we're doing. >> thank you general manager kelly so in light of those

comments i think that meeting on may 27th is pretty critical for me you know i envision my vision is that we're going to have a pretty detailed but brief conversation about the many many things that the public utilities commission and staff are doing to benefit the environment and benefit the community workforce and then we'll have an opportunity in all likely hood to discuss the things that aren't being done i think the solar panel installation is a step in the right direction but i think the opportunity is also there to have the conversation about mar inand changes in numbers and everything else that's why we moved to meet in february and that's why i think the conversation will continue over there at least initially on may 27th so thank you for your report.

>> so that concludes my comments, public comments. >> on the general manager's report is there any public comment? francisco? >> the general manager's report there are too many things that were discussed today and it's very difficult within 3 minutes to give some pertinent comments on the many issues that were discussed today and many of them in a in in a convoluted manner. i have a letter and

maybe i'll bring it the next time so you can read it specifying those issues that i have to deal with infrastructure energy water so on and so forth on behalf of the tribe. you have heard the general manager say today again and again about hetch hetchy and also the olone and other tribes. the whole thing is that ever since the white man came to california, destroyed the red wood forest polluted our waters did a lot of destruction now at the 11th hour some of us

have awoke enand you talk about climate change this that and the other. well, you know, i like to tell you all having pondered over this -- i'm a director of the environmental justice advocacy and put over 45 years addressing environmental issues not just talking and writing about it and as your attorney here knows from the days when you were on the port commission -- really addressing issues so i write about it. what i want you commissioners to pay attention to is like your staff. it has come to my attention that you now have another layer of the staff, deputy assistant general managers or whatever but you sit here when you need real answers, they can not be given, so the staff has to learn to

have empirical data that's readily available and finally in the 20 seconds that i that i have, i would recommend that that we support one of your staff that has worked very hard in the bay view his name is massoud -- i will be sending a letter to the president as well as well as to the general manager to the mayor and to other relevant entities about this staff member who should have been given a promotion 2 years ago promised to him but was not by the add visor and i'm a person that if i say

something i'll follow through i'd like you all to offer him all the support necessary so that he really serves the bay view thank you very much. >> thank you francisco i have to echo the comments not the personnel stuff but he is an outstanding advocate and he has a lot of capacity does a really really good job and is there any other public comment on this item? dr. jackson. >> i thought i might say something before leave i'm happy to be one of those persons that was selected to serve on the committee and you can you can be assured that the committee will work at its best and i'm glad to be a part of it and i'll make sure it works and the job will get done much sooner than later thank you very much. >> our new working group right?

>> yes. >> thank you doctor. is there any other? counselor. >> good afternoon. again here to emphasize as an advocate looking at this presentation that there's other budgetary priorities among streetlighting and energy efficiency improvements as well but the job numbers from go solar, sf presented today they were about the disadvantaged to bring in in people at entry level positions and to date those jobs are 121 but that doesn't

include the solar industry jobs and in support of the program 4000 workers nationwide and 300 alone in the san francisco head quarters and these are all aspects that go solar helped to jump start in san francisco and cutting the program can actually lead to devastating effects if you look at the numbers revealed that solar installations actually went down to 264 installations compared to the 466 installation that normally have been on average each year and in the long run we should continue to fully fund this program and thank the sfpuc staff and general manager kelly to figure out how to fully fund this program and as well doctor

jackson of course one of the advocates of this program as well because we believe solar installations happening across san francisco but in particular the lower income communities who do not have access to solar in the first place hopefully -- >> do you have the numbers? of all the jobs created by go solar. >> the disadvantaged workers are 121 workers to date so there are a number of other companies . >> you are the advocate for go solar you should have this information better than our staff. >> i can say hundreds if not thousands but the example i gave 300 alone employed in san francisco gives you the sense.

>> it doesn't give me the sense of anything because it doesn't give me a total number it's important for the advocates who advocate for this program to have their facts ready for us that's all. >> absolutely commissioner. >> i have a question but on the install how long does it take to do an to do an solar install. >> it can depend on the scale of the project. >> so a week or a month or a year? >> it would depend on the scale of the project. >> i think it's important for us to understand as well whether it's a career path but whether it's a year long job a week long job to do an install you know and then to really -- in dollars and jobs we really

need that data in order to make an informed policy decision so wherever it comes from we need that data so i can't say that clearly enough. >> absolutely that data has has been necessary and it's also key to helping us to determine the number of direct and indirect jobs that we estimate 400 jobs created from fully funding the program so again 200 direct jobs from installation alone and 200 indirect from the distribution and manufacturing that occurs. >> because i've heard the word jobs a number of times i try to steer clear of it because i think it can take us off course but the fact is it's a big component. there are different kinds of jobs, right? and we never want to pit them against

each other and you have a hotel worker on some kind of administrative person those are full-time jobs right? they are 2000 hours per year and in the construction industry where you have carpenters engineers plumbers all those guys that do all that construction work they have temporary jobs once they build a building they don't get to work in the building they have to build another building so this is not much different there is a large large class of folks that find these opportunities and these opportunities only to feed their families to pay their rent to get healthcare to get retirement so the last thing i want to do is say what kind of jobs are these are they temporary week to week? it's about sustainable growth in san francisco and just moving the

ball; is that accurate to say? >> yes. >> thank you very much for being here. >> maybe we will get back to you with some numbers but i just wanted to, you know, clarify the numbers. the numbers that we presented are, like we said are disadvantaged numbers and also the money that we're supplying to go solar we're not fully funding it it's it's a portion of what the cost would be so we're actually leveraging so we need to take that into consideration and say what it is so we weren't prepared to answer that question we'll go back to do some research and get some numbers for the meeting that we have at the department of the environment and we'll talk about that. >> thank you counselor. melissa hello again. you have all the data right?

>> all of it [laughter]. i wanted to thank you general manager kelly for your work on the budget and keeping go solar as a priority for your dedication and i hear the comments about return on investment and are we getting our money's worth with the go solarsf program and a wonderful question i want to point out as far as return on investment for myself what i've received and what i think is also a return on investment that's difficult to measure it's not only effected my life and it's effected my family's life that has been greatly improved my go solarsf and i'm on a career

path and i know as far as far as luminol goes they are hired full-time employment with benefits and sustained employment i don't see people getting laid off due to jobs ending we work hard to keep jobs coming in and part of the reason they are coming in there's a benefit to the community for installing solar as well and another you know as far as return on investment i feel like i'm a contributor to the city i feel like resources aren't being spent in helping me in other ways because i need to be on assistance to feed my family because i'm clearly not on a good path -- today i'm on a good path and i'm able to actually contribute and i feel like that's also a measured success as well so thanks again for your support and

commissioner torres you asked about what people are saving on their electric bills? i do the processing of the contractors and paperwork and i see that on average people are probably saves about seventy to 75 percent that's about what we're saving people by installing solar and i do see typical residential installation could be a 3-day job if there's no hiccups and so the larger projects will probably take longer. >> thank you very much. is there any other public comment on this item. then public comment is closed. madam secretary next item please. >> item 8 is consent calendar and 8 a through 8 e are

considered to be routine by the sfpuc and there will be no discussion of these items unless a member of commission or public requests and considered as a separate item. >> does anyone wish to remove an item? seeing no requests i'll entertain a motion. >> so moved. >> it's been moved and it's been seconded. >> seeing no public comment i'll now call for a vote. all those in favor please signify by saying aye. the ayes have it the next item please. >> i'm going to ask you to go ahead and do that and if we have to have comment on each item i'll go ahead and call for it at that time. >> items 9 through 12 were continued from the april 22nd

nd meeting and item 9 rates fees and charges for retail water service in san francisco and suburban areas and item 10 rates fees and charges wastewater enterprise for retail wastewater services in san francisco and suburban areas. >> item 11 new service. >> item 12 public hearing to consider and adopt connection fees related to water service within and outside the city of san francisco. >> we'll call them all together. at the end of the items i will call for public comment. in the event anyone needs additional time i'll go

ahead and allot that amount but i have no speaker cards. hello todd. >> if i may thank you president courtney each of these items had a full presentation at the last meeting and also in your communication packet was a response to all the questions asked by the commissioners as well as the public. i want to thank the independent rate consultant and patricia magove r.n. engineering and so staff is available to answer any additional questions but all the materials are continuation at the extensive presentations made last time. >> thank you very much todd commissioners i'll entertain a motion for items 9, 10, 11 and

12. >> it's been moved and it's been seconded. >> is there any public comment on items 9, 10, 11 and 12 together or individually. >> seeing none. >> the ayes have it the motion carries. >> item 13 is also continued from the april 22nd meeting and to consider and adopt a wholesale revenue requirement and rate schedule for 2014 through 15. >> commissioners? >> good afternoon deputy cfo as with the retail rates item we presented previously at the last meeting again what we're proposing is a rate of 2.93 cents per one hundred cubic feet of water from our wholesale water customers this rate is determined by contract and that represented about a

19.6 percent rate change for our wholesale customers these rates have been properly noticed with our wholesale customers and rate noticed sent out april 1st and i'm happy to take your questions. >> commissioners. >> thank you for your report i'll entertain a motion. >> it's been moved. >> second. >> and it's been seconded. >> is there any conversation. >> is there any public comment on this item, item number 13. all those in favor please signify by saying aye. >> next item please. >> item 14, 15 and 16 all continued from the april 22nd meeting. item 14 adopting hetch hetchy plan for 2014,

through fiscal year 2023, 24 and a capital plan for fiscal year to 2023-24 and consider the adoption of a 2-year capital budget for the hetch hetchy water and power including the power enterprise for the sfpuc for fiscal year 2014 and fiscal year 2015-16. >> general manager and cfo have been before you in some form numerous times since february but these updates are all reflected from what's been assumed in the mayor's proposed budget. but i should briefly

walk you through what the changes are -- again the 10-year capital plan and financial plan are important because the charter requires them as well because they go into our bond documents as we'll be selling bonds for the first time since the completion much of the hetchy assets so i'd like to point these out and i would also like to ask the chair as well to allow an amendment for staff to make a technical clarification on some of the descriptions and i'll point those out just so we have common descriptions. >> okay. >> so the 10-year financial plan before you today on item 14 and it goes through the various scenarios and balancing solutions we had capital cuts

deferrals and to be above zero and includes reserves and cca cca $19.5 million reprogrammed. the recommendations before you are consistent with the mayor's proposed budget instead of a half a penny increase over the next 2 years one penny over the next 2 years and that allows us to also resize and borrow more funding and then have a a $155 million worth of capital cuts and deferrals the majority of which are power related we have several next steps before us in the budget process but these two capital plans and with you here today in particular the capital plan as well as the financial plan, we plan to come back at the general manager as

we do in the quarterly budget report and review. and i'm on slide 6 right now. we'll also give you updates as far as where we are on the pge negotiations and anything to do with debt service as we go into borrowing funds the first time in the fall and previously i should point out before the mayor's proposed budget now we only need to borrow about $45 million so a significant amount of progress has been made over the 10 years but also in the first 2 years. the specific items here, pardon me, will be the next step for us before the board of