d to further clarify and help with our requirements for the authority i think is better because it is a standard and guideline that's widely known in the international fire code >> so it's the fire departments position even though san francisco has never adapted the appendix the fire department has the power to impose it. >> no we're enclosing the authority to use whatever we need to justify the increased width and in appendix d is states that it can be used as a guideline and so we're going using appendix d as a guideline even though it's not adapted. >> okay. and know i understand the aren't it they've chosen not

adapt it but the fire department adapts it saw the fire code we've adapted did international fire code and laws us the authority to have the increased width size if we are looking for a guideline and using appendix d as a guideline that's sound judgment. >> okay. you can go on i'm sorry supervisor cowen. >> not quite yet san francisco has adapted the international guideline or standard? >> okay. so the local jurisdiction is able to. >> when you say the local jurisdiction you mean san francisco. >> of the board of supervisors yes. because the board of

supervisors ultimately approves the fire code. >> right. >> so in the i think one point one point one of the fire code talks about the scope of the fire department fire code is adapts the california fire code has expressly in the san francisco fire code we're starting with the state and anything expressing deleted from california we follow the san francisco. >> so how does that play into international. >> so the california fire code only adapts some of the parents international fire code didn't adapt chapter 5 that's our department access. >> so but in our san francisco fire code we say we adapt anything that the california hadn't adapted from the

international. >> okay. >> so weigh getting the best of both worlds thing that san francisco has adapted and - so the san francisco fire department did you community on that project sign off on this project. >> well 2011 chief joanne haynes-white did sign the ic a. >> what's that. >> (inaudible) agreement. >> in that verbiage there's no written language to the streets but it says that the san francisco fire department has jurisdiction to review the streets once they're becoming available that's now under this

phasing we're loudly to comment on the street width. way back in 234r50 or needing we are were not told the streets size we were given a memo of 22 cross sections and today they don't know where the building entrance are going to be. so that's why we worked so well together hammering out the new plan to get most of the streets at 26 to provide the rescue operation >> thank you. >> so i guess - we went through this some of the slides the gentleman skipped over in the presentation were the ones that

said quote residential streets 80 foot clear for neighborhood streets except for the ones with the bike lanes it's not accurate i know the department is taking the position that even though the chief signs the agreement containing the 20 feet clear i understand the fire department commends it is what it is but i think the suggestion we keep hearing there was somehow no dissension in the agreement about what the street clearance was so we're just starting fresh now four years after the approval the agreement i guess don't think that's accurate at all. >> i'm not an attorney so i don't know and i'm not aware thoughtful document so that's

needed to be looked at at a higher level. >> okay. thank you. so chief lombardy >> i promise i'm not going to talk about any codes. go back to the plan >> i wanted to address supervisor cowen's concern about what's actually being built there this is part of the problem with the fire departments interpretation and looking at this later we've been collaborating with the builder and dpw and the planning department in trying to come to an agreement and trying to keep the streets narrow to all parties can be happy to protect the building. they don't even know where the

buildings phases are going to be just give us 26 feet in the front and dwo it on the side we're not even to a spot he think this is designed in concept is it but the city developers can't decide where the front is going to be so to say we're going to do 26 in the front and 20 on the side we're going not arguing so how to inaccurately protect the building that's part of the dilemma. this map is kind of hard to read but all the streets that were mentions not one student is at 80 feet we've heard 21 maybe most of the streets were a couple of 3 story type 5 but this whole map that you're

looking at this is candle stick and there's not one building under 40 feet everything is a multi unit like in supervisor cowen's area all the neighborhoods were single-family homes there's not one single-family home the majority of the buildings are 65 feet and taller so you're talking about a big fire pal lodz when something gets burned recycle the mission bay building we saw burned all the buildings are going to be like that and a couple are 85 and 50 foot high-rises so technically you're in a residential air but this is like the new san francisco with high-rise residential areas there's a big pay load that

would burn there's not small buildings and it's touch when your look at a colored map this doesn't speak the truth but a 3-d model would be more effective to see the intensity of the buildings so i'm going to talk about how we operablely do our work we have a few major concerns one our operations and two the construction time period if 20 to 25 years in mission bay when the building burned if we could pull up the projector. not the computer but the overhead >> sfgovtv can you please put the overheads on to abbreviate the overhead

>> thank you. this picture the mission bay is reason we have this any vehicles he at the end we're protecting the next building in construction we're protecting that to not burden or burn the other building across the street the windows blow out we have a building on fourth street was occupied that building was already occupied but you don't see the other two sides of the buildings were not on this building we saved this under construction. those fires that are not supposed to happen we haven't seen in a while those fires i don't know who was around in 2002 but they builds the road in

san jose. well mission bay was the same type of fire to get to the vulnerable state and we've had salt lake city and houston salt lake city had a big fire and houston down in the lower corner they burned and if i can get 90 seconds i'll show you the houston we're talking about how fast the fire spreads in the collapse zone so if we don't have a lot of area in the street where the building is going to come and collapse that will land on the firefighters so with the single-family home we're noting worried about that but the buildings collapse the only

reason that mission bay didn't collapse was because of the scaffolding. this video was taken across the street from a commercial building. just 90 seconds you see how fast the fire starred this is the construction worker and you'll see how fast it takes to get to him. our residential unites will be bigger a than this >> you mean denseer. >> i mean higher yeah.

once this gentleman is rescued

you'll see the collapse i'm talking about this was 2014 two weeks after mission bay. so that's enough of that one that was history those are the types of building we're building all of them are like this that are the other interest is of the regular we call the residential streets i want to show you our operations here's one from supervisor wiener's area we >> this is walter street. >> so we have two lards up to

this point with the jack lards can you see those. >> what's is jack. >> sfgovtv. >> this is is jack here and that's is jack here so when those go out our vehicles go from 17 to 18 feet this is definitely wizarder than 20 feet but we couldn't do this operation within this development with 20 feet streets we could do single fire we can rescue people but this exact set up we can't do this because we have two airline lards side by

side. >> oh, it's not walter street. >> so we're not going to say all our streets are 26 feet wide now imagine the same fire we couldn't do this we have each vehicle behind each vehicle our aerial trucks only reach so far if an aerial truck is 2 one hundred feet away we couldn't get the lards in. in the another shot of mission bay there's an example of being in a collapse zone the rig underneath the spotlight we ended up leaving the rig there we almost lost our rig that at a the scaffolding we ended you will u up saying our vehicle but it got dangerous and we pulled

our firefighters out >> you're talking about the rig. >> the far one we abandon that in place within a half an hour maybe that fire started on that rig. here's another one i don't know the exact street in 2012 valley the operation we're not only talking about lard placement but the hose on the left. go to go next one. here's there's two aerial lards i don't know the street but 3 aerial lards so those lards are going to the same building when you can't stack in there i might be too far to rescue or get to a roof next one, please. this one is hard to see go on to the next one. here you see the fire building

again two aerial lards this street is not narrow it's more than 26 feet maybe thirty something across and the bike lane we have no issues we don't need 13 feet travel lanes but when somethings happens we need 26 feet to feasibly operate. and again two aerial lards. there was one other area we recently had a recently had a third alarm on bright street and randolph and i'll show you the picture that's the house on fire obviously but did picture in the lower right-hand side corner is

looking down the street that's one rig. there's parking on both sides of the street it's about thirty feet wide and parking took up feet so we had 18 feet in front of the fire this show us looking down the block we had one fire truck so the picture above on the right that's randolph we're 3 wide with the rigs those people are fighting the fire but if we had to make a rescue with an aerial ladder and if it's 3 feet all around we have instances in san francisco this is candle stick point it's one hundred blocks of a project so

if you have a hundred blocks of 20 feet it's extremely tough to fight a fire we were able to put the rigs on the block up but if this was 20 feet and the two blocks were 80 feet it wouldn't wouldn't be done >> i think this is important to see the photos in my district since i've seen a number of fires on extremely narrowed streets and your department has been heroic do you also have photos of pedestrians who have been killed oirs department responds to the pedestrian

accidents i didn't see that in my district or supervisor cowen's or supervisor breed district do you have those. >> because of the act we can't show the pictures of victims but once you've seen someone getting hit by a car that's something you don't forget and we're all for public safety it's okay to get the bulb out at the end where people across the streets on the 20 feet but people shouldn't be jaywalking would that be acceptable if there were 26 feet and pedestrians crossing at the 20 feet is that acceptable. >> it's important to talk about the fire safeties that's

incredible important but public safety it is important so i don't know it was talked about. i was twoermd going to talk about candle stick and hunters point shipyard i gave a presentation to the pedestrian safety committee i'll talk about that if you want me, too >> liz i can't do you want to wrap up and thank you to the public who've have been patient. >> i have a slide. one slide that was prepared prepared by your expert on the pedestrian safety and in summary he mentioned several measures

that we can use to provide for pedestrian safety in addition to not only the streets. one concern that he expressed about the proximity of the pedestrians to a vehicle that are too close especially turning commercial trucks and then narrower streets will minimize the action time to avoid collisions by laughing a smaller buffer zone and the errors by drivers in general there are two blocks tor the traffic chaumg that can be used not only with the streets >> sir, are you suggesting that having widower streets is safer for pedestrians because of the radius of the turning trucks. >> not exactly there are

several measures that can be utilized. so in summary i'd like to say that, you know, we continue to work with the developer, with the our sister agencies on knows implementing the most safe and the best lay out for the development as he continue to work on it to make sure it is safe for all residents in san francisco not only to pedestrians but also to the residents that will be living in those, you know, now housing units >> thank you, everyone for their patience we're at the. i want to start at public comment by calling up allen

jacobs our former gentleman from planning and the world known expert (calling names) thank you for being here >> thank you it's interesting we didn't plan it but my wife and partner elizabeth mcdonald will be on the first page of the paper with a street we designed octavia boulevard i'll bring that in in a moment into my presentation. safety is indeed an important issue. and a lot of the discussion has

been how to approach it holistically that's really important. slides terrible things happen so we show those sometimes to make a point. when street safety they don't happy everyday street safety happens everyday that's an everyday thing. and makes the city it's the only priority our unify priority is fire safety and then don't a lot of things if it's it. you'd end up with widower and widower streets make no mistake about it you'll lose housing and be a less liveable city that. we're looking for somethings

more balanced serving many oufblz like liveability and walkability then narrower streets are more likely to achieve that. narrower streets are safer as you've noted for drivers and pedestrians and cyclists my emergency responders because they calm traffic blow the streets more likely to result in fatality or serious injuries collisions. mr. jacobs can you just finish one way or another warm up saying and i have a question and there's a lot of the literature that shows that slower streets get fewer traffic and their ecology low better and there's work being done i noticed the

international fire marshes was mentioned and work being done right now with the fire marshall's and over the international fire code to be more flexibility than now. and but go to the data in 2007 there were something like 435 thousand plus traffic deaths in this city in the country. 42 thousand plus in 2007 of which 26 hundred were not have which dealership 26 hundred fire fatalities that's about 5 percent.

there were just look to injuries there were $3 million traffic injuries in this country over 3 million traffic injuries in 2007, 16 thousand 4 hundred fire injuries that's less than one percent. one notes it in terms of standards that in realities and van ness cover the curb to curb widths on many streets with parking with parking are 24 to 28 feet. they have lots of buildings greater than 4 stories and greater. 24 to 28 feet. the standard for new streets in vancouver very purposely and those people the standards for

the new streets is vancouver is 3 meters per lane less than 10 feet 3 meters per lane. octavia is a interesting to note the side access radios are 18 feet. we had a problem with that they're two feet two wide the traffic goods two faster on them. the minute i saw they builds them two feet two wide and i called the chief traffic person in vancouver where they were doing a multi way boulevard we had designed and he lowered it by 2 feet. there are - >> mr. jack's in terms of comparing to others cities you