amount would be appropriate given where we are. recent theirs talks within the framework not to brown-bag the puc commission and there's the discussion will joining the marina and we should have is a discussion >> we do know, we don't have a final number but based on the recent board hearings that was testified to it appears that approximately 4 to $300,000 will be all that is needed. we have part of our appropriated $6 million to start up and 1 opinion $8 million is unspent separate from the 19 and a half million we'll have the capacity to do the study work and to have about a million dollars and and

a half left. we don't know the final number because it depends on if we moved as supervisor avalos has proposed in his legislation the richmond model per they were able to do it with no money down or is sonoma model this is a municipal operated model it is more in line with we we talked about two or three years ago so it depends on the variation of the puc owned and operated or another propose. but either case the numbers that significantly lover lower than two to three 4 years ago because the market is more comfortable with the merry run energy so we believe the numbers that are

significantly less. this two to $300,000 but the latter of the different scenario what's the magnitude of costs here. i did behoves our committee to ball park that >> so in the case of our 19 and a half 6 millions was for customers and 13 and a half was related to reserves and of the 13 and a half of the reserves 11 and a half was shell for termination risks and lockbox issues so those two key categories of 11.5 the richmond model were not required to put up liquidity so by order of magnitude if this were a model

like richmond the numbers would be less that's good news but we don't know it depends on them and i as policymakers and others in the building requires us would you require us to do center local builds or center energies efficient that depends on how fast the policymakers wants 80 us to really out. if you take the 19.511 and a half was completely within shell energy and there are two key reasons the cash flow is $7 million related to termination risk of the multiple contact so it 19 and a half went down to 13 and a half would be further reduced 11 and a half

recommended to shell requirements that's an amazing difference if a year ago or two years ago >> so another way to think about this if we're taking out shelf. we're down to $8 million for the reserve requirements. mr. rose to our potential cuts here you're suggesting or your proposed cuts today are being renegotiated to the tune of $10 million over two years and ongoing; is that correct >> mr. chairman and mercedes benz let me clarify the recommendations and again, i'm looking at page 16 of our report. for fiscal year 2014-2015 it

would be about $4.5 million of that amount about $4.3 million for 2014-2015. in 2015- 2016 the total is 4.4 million and $34.4 million are ongoing and i previously mentioned we're still working with the department >> i understand. >> good afternoon mark farrell those are in the house/senate enterprise and the first year were $3.3 million i'd have to defer to water and power so the percentage of power i can't tell you at this moment. >> thank you, ms. kimble i can so based on that approximately, $600,000 is related to power so

with all our customers mr. rose mentioned because of the prop 18 the water and sewer cuts have to stay with the water and sewer funds to house/senate water and power under propping 218 to carve off what's water related so we have $606,000 a year. >> we're going to talk about the bonds too. my whole point i think we're going to have a choice here but we can make the statement i appreciate why or we can - part of my discussion prospective is you and the budget analysts haven't had a final discussion we as a committee have always let those discussions play out we'll make those discussions but

you have not had a final destruction maybe it's not directly house/senate but we might be able to fund cca with the cuts we maybe making and i think that's something to consider we might be able to consider this and wrap up in a bow i appreciate the comments but i really want to talk about technically >> there are cuts to power and water they don't adu add up for what's available. >> mr. rose maybe you can comment on that. >> i just wanted to make one comment the $600,000 is the initial recommendation but in terms of comparing that to the 19.5 million one of the options in the policy is increasing the

amount of power bonds and find ongoing savings towards debt payment. >> that's itself technical adjustment i was making a typically we imagine the amount on bond precedes you'll the evidence will then show is something like this 10 to 11 to one it's a $600,000 in oncosavings up front with the evidence will then show in excess of the revenue bonds. >> so alright colleagues so i'll turn the floor over to anyone but from my prospective i understand why the community is not i'll support i'll like to continue this for a week for a reason one we haven't had our

budget analyst discussion and second of all i'm frightened what that means if we continue down the road the future budget committees and lastly from my prospective i know if you go through the symbolic and a half we're only detailing this discussion and next week we can have the puc before us and then delay this a few weeks and people will be more anger that's my prospective i appreciate the will of my colleagues i'm going to turn it over to supervisor avalos. >> thank you know barking wants to defer to your request and the positions i've held i know how changing this is you often feel

like your herod cats to approve the budget. i'm considering your request about continuing vs. tabling but i have concerns i've put this before the mayor as of sunday evening he's my text to mayor ed lee sorry to both you on a sunday night but we're running into a show do you think there's are 3 votes not to approve the puc budget it would be good to work out before those general fund budget t is introduced. i believe there's a way a packet forward to work out and hope we can check in this week radio silence there's no deal to want

to discuss that. i've talked to the general manager this week it was a good conversation and a krofls conversation i asked for the controllers to ask with us about the options to pit them in writing before us. i think there recent options we don't need all the 19.5 million and that's not been, you know, brought before us. so all this throb why to work things auto i don't trust ashamed on me for making that mistake again, i'm torn supervisor farrell and i'm torn because i understand your precinct we don't have a fair

playing field >> supervisor i appreciate those comments. i think another road to go down to the end is give it the chance from my prospective give it a chance this week and if nothing changes it will likely go through and in the same spot with the reintroductions on june 1st with the puc budgeted that's another option given the chance publicly within a week if nothing happens so will be it but my prospective it will be better for this committee to give it a chance to have the discussion. that's my prospective but we'll

open up to the public and entertain solutions here >> supervisor wiener. i move to continue the item one week. >> okay to clarify that would be a motion to continue items it through 4 to next wednesday budget. >> and items 9 through 11. >> okay. so supervisor wiener has made a motion to continue items it through 4 and 9 through 11 to techniques budget meeting on next wednesday. second? city attorney can the chair second a motion >> yes. he can if you have a 5 member committee you can and i'll second that motion why not

have a roll call vote. on that motion supervisor mar. no. supervisor avalos. no. supervisor breed. no. supervisor wiener. supervisor farrell. there are 2 i's and 3 notice >> okay. the motion fails. >> supervisor avalos i have a motion to duplicate the file. and one file to shed all of the references to the puc budget. and to move so it will be all the departments operate from the puc that will be remaining and the a l s o the files of one and-2 and 4. to duplicate that file and one

version will have all the references to the departments separate from the puc and all the puc references will be didacted and the remaining file i move to table. and i guess my question remaining is the file with the other vice presidents we ready to move that forward and if we are we've made our recommendations so i'll move that b my last part of the motion to move that file to join the rest in june >> second. >> and to our city attorney is that a clear motivate. >> that's clear supervisor avalos mentioned 2 and 4 you're talking about duplicating two and three and tabling 9 through 11 i understand. >> those are the supplementals.

>> art table or continue that's our choice. >> i think we can say enough with the failed appropriation in item 10 so i'll table that item included and the other ones i'll keep. i'm not sure where the impact tabling one and continuing the other items >> you can certainly do that. >> we'll do that table two and three the motion applies to two and three and the other ones to continue based on other instructions. >> yeah. you continue those items to the to the call of the chair rather than to next wednesday. >> that's my motion to add that to continue the other items 9

through 11. >> okay. >> can i. >> supervisor wiener. >> could i get a summary of motion my essentially or essentially you're taking the puc's budget out of the a s o and tabling it. you're taking the remainder of the budget that's before you today and continuing it to june and you are continuing the appropriation the puc related appropriation to the call of the chair and for after the puc is resubmitted and okay. thank you >> okay. so this is a complex motion on 2, 3, 4, 49, 10 and 11. >> so we have a motion by

supervisor avalos and second supervisor breed. >> madam clerk. >> supervisor mar. supervisor avalos. supervisor breed. supervisor wiener. no. sxhaefl. no. there are 3 i's and two notice >> the motion passes and colleagues, we're at on justice. get to get live >> welcome back to the san francisco budget & finance committee for wednesday, may 21, 2014. my name is a mark farrell i'm chairing this committee joined by supervisor avalos and supervisor mar thank you, mr. i did not know and the sfgovtv covering covering to meeting call items 5 and 6

>> item 5 hearing on the budget to create a mental health facility in addition criminal matters involving criminal offensive and the pedestrian safety in the immense in the district attorney's office to hold offender accountable on case progressing and make that be prevent and predict crime. >> thank you very much. mr. da welcome the floor is yours on both items >> thank you with our approval i will do the crime data first, we have a visitor here from new york to make sure i going could a presentation. this is a quick introduction the eni can center of technology

we're here in california and probable in the world we're in the eir recognizing place we have a district attorney's office that is working with technology that's dictated that informs us to work in unfavorable conditions and, you know, while the city has invested anyone the the recent years for the police department we continue to be terribly understaffed we have a case management system about 10 years old we don't are the technical staffing we would like to have the technical support and the capacity to train people and the capacity to entertain the system the with should be. there's nothing else consequences to public safety in general oftentimes we're given

the circumstances we're unbelievable able to access information that's probably available to inform the way we make sure b that number one we're going to have the right outcome for the community and the for the offender this is a place in the last two natives have done a lot to lessen the incarceration and this is understanding the circumstances around an offender as well as the neighborhood and the victim have important for us there's a wealth of data we can't access and this we should find essential certainly i do this is not the way to run a more than that public safety system in the

21st century. i believe we owe our community a lot more than that one of the things we're trying to do hopefully illuminate for you how business is being done if other communities and one of the community eave looked at there are a leader in this area the district attorney's office i personally spent time there in the last year today, i'm pleased to introduce the person that actually runs the crime strategy unit that's an attorney she made the trip her because she has the same level of commitment to the profession in general. so i want to introduce keri. >> good afternoon good

afternoon. i'm keri the chief of the crime strategies the malayan district attorney's office i have a power point and i'd like to talk about what we've been doing in manhattan and through the intelligence driven prosecution. so i think this power point you're not - there we go. so when with had a few da violent crime was at the lowest rate in decades, in fact, murders in 2010 we had 70 and one hundred and 98 shootings this year despite that we could do better and what happened pass that philosophically look at the way to which i know change the focus we're partnering are in

case pd as opposed to now as prosecutors we could reduce crime in our community so to the prosecution and the crimes strategy unit we look at block and block neighborhood by neighborhood and deciding who in our county is driving crime. neons we call it the al co- pan who was known to be a murderer and federal authority couldn't get him for the crimes but got him on tax evaluation. now the way the crime strategy unit works this is a graph of manhattan and our jurisdiction is just manhattan we separated it into 5 and 5 prosecutors

assigned their paired within american people intelligence analyst the lawyers don't have the case hair expected to be the expert in their area to know who is driving violently crimes and the riveting and to help brian drive down the crime and do the justice. we have one hundred and 10 thousand cases that come from the courts of manhattan every year we're currently tracking go another thousand defendants that's a small portion of the crime drivers that's creating the large case. we use the resources we researched and briefed the da on

every neighborhood in manhattan we call them hot spots you're seeing a reoccurring briefing so at the end of this briefing obviously, we knew who our partners to be who help drive down the crime and what are the crime elements and the issues we can help to turn the city into a much safer place. and sort of the central nervous system from an intel unit to know when the people you are interested in and when the crime drivers are arrested this is a system we've created in our office with the feed from the new york city police department this allows us to track the 9 thousand people and react aggressively this is why we're

taxing them the da spent money to provide all staff with a blackberry so it generates e-mails and we're is getting. on our black berries. this allows the prosecutor to see not only that an arrest was made but why it was invade and why that prosecutor was interested in the defendant. the way it works a defendant is arrested and fingertips hit albany and their matched with the new york state number and they're identified and if it matches our spreadsheets it is variable information. this is what it looks like it is not able we created this with resources this is why we're interested in the person and this one is helpful to look at

it shows we no longer by the time let cold cases no longer become cold we believe this vipd individual was an uncockroach stabbing victim so we can reopen that case we created it with new york pd and why he was add and potentially how strong the case. this is what the alert system looks like as you see we're able to nest our interests into folders and sub folders we're tracking all the gunman's in manhattan and where we've identified the person as a confirmed person as a potential gang member this is just as important as recidivism so if

there's a precinct in our area you can track the riveting and do the right thing on the case. so the way it red all right. system 0 citywide system we can get an arrest notice like in staten island son-in-law symsomeone is committing a crime the patrol gets all the information for that on the xreerts we find out that the target of a shooting occurred in the bronx but we were able to get the information in manhattan and they came to manhattan and

reinterviewed him we got this system for intelligence gathering 4 gang members of a gang had committed and crime. recidivism one riveting who is xhichlt the crimes and through the criminal justice system we can take a look at his rap sheet and react appropriating. as i said investigating cold cases there's no reason a case becomes cold if we track uncoordinated victims an old stabbing and sfoesht that was not proved at the time it was committed