picture any more. they have shown that the model works and it is not risky and it does not require, the huge amount of reserves that we were envisioning before. and with the addition of richmond, it is serving 125,000 customers, and the county is about to launch its own, and it is starting to see it spread and we think that it could be easier to move forward and a less expensive than we imagined and so, there is, and as miss hale said that we are exploring two passports and we join and become part of the service or we can develop a in-house program and that model instead of contracting with shell we can use the expertise that we have, to perform those same tasks and also it will bring in the revenue that will balance out the budget of the power enterprise that is struggling at the moment. we understand that the full

19.5 million will not be needed any more, and supervisors avalos, breed and mar have indicated that they will not pass that budget and takes away the money for the other resource and we are hoping to come up to the agreement to to balance the budget and i believe that the supervisors are looking for a couple of assurances and one is to determine what amount of funds that we need, to join the clean energy and launching an in-house, cca without using shell and our own public utility staff. and so, we would like to figure out what, and the public utility commission, and so we will see if we can get the concrete actions and move forward with the goal of launching a cca. by july 21st. >> can you give us the other items on his list because you started with un, if you could give us the other, unless it was just the one. >> let's see, i think that the two assure sanses is preserving enough funds to be able to and

seeing the concrete actions and it will be our goal, and i think that we can figure out a portion of that 19.5 million that can be repurposed for the other purposes, thank you for your time. >> real quick. >> and i think that the purposes of this conversation, but not this conversation, by itself, right? i think that we established that goal. and i think that we know that we are going to continue to have this conversation to your point and flush it out. the jobs, conversations is also a part of that conversation, and it is going to be coming up again and again. >> and i was talking to the president in anticipation of your testimony, and one thing that i would like to see, and when we began to see and talking about the bill out. and we were given an organizational chart, and that organizational chart was it was attractive to the building

trades. and so, i would just hope that as you continue doing the good work that you are doing, we and there seems to be two options that at this point, where the jobs might be, whether they are in the public sector or the private sector, whether there is training components, you know, what kind of, or what do the bids look like and then we probably may also have to anticipate the conversations about environmental impacts and the like, and so obviously, you know, we are going to be engaging this entire dialogue but i am asking that we kind of t, up the jobs conversation as well and if you are inclined to do that. >> and i appreciate that and i think that supervisor avalos is a member of the local higher ordinances and made the job promotion one of the issues and i think that the original clean power had 2 million set aside for the planning of the build out for the clean power sf and i think that anything that we can do to get that thing moving and you know, on a parallel track, even to the cca willing

great, and i think that looking to explore as much as we can, the pipeline, of solar projects, and in-line, high dro and anything else and i think that it will be great to move along, and i think that we see the cca as sort of a long term funding vehicle, i think as we develop a revenue, base and a customer base, we can use those revenue to fund those job training programs and after we establish a pipeline and after we establish, a credibility and with a few years in the market, we can start to issue the revenue bonds against those funds to expand the jobs component and the build out of the renewable power. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> and jason,? >> jason freed, executive office, lasco and kind of dragging, jeremy took some of my talking points and i am going to skim over those and talk about another stuff and first off i wanted to mention that i appreciate the commission on the environment and the commissioners who are asking the questions of something that really was not

in the presentstations and that the 100 percent renewable energy, goal that the city in the climate action strategy plan and one thing that struck me and it was pointed out to me by supervisor breed's staff and connor who had to leave because he had to go to another meeting and could not stay this long, and during the presentations earlier discuss, pued the discussion about fire, and the impacts that that is happening on the puc and this position, and throughout the impact that is having, sewer, and the fact that you know, ocean waters are rising and that is getting into the sewer system and those are all things that are climate related and it is meant to try to expel sell and 100 percent removal is something that we need to work towards and do and that is why when the staff was basically instructed to stop working on clean power sf, lasco picked up the ball and has gone out and within the last month, we have had a new contractor start working on some of the questions, and to address some of the questions, commissioner courtney that you raised about creating jobs and we have 12 tasks that we are

looking at and we have started task one and getting that going and the first that we looked at is without a shell of energy in place and if you have the puc does a lot of the work that shell is going to do for the program and what does that mean for the bod om line budget and that first half came back and said that without any additional staff needed by the puc. and does the cca program, or could pay, the power enterprise department, and somewhere between 600 to 1.1 million dollars annually to help to fix the budget problems and it does not solve the entire problem

and you are talking about the energy efficiency and the top priority and anyone in the industry will tell you that the energy efficiency is something that you should do before you put the solar on the roof and you want to reduce the load as much as possible and whether it is a $800 million that the cpuc controls and the program can apply for and in talking with the staff and both, with both groups is that you know, somewhere between 4 to 6 million dollars a year could be brought in and that is real money that could be spent for the city for residential customer and not the large commercial and the folks that can afford to be paid. but the renters who do not have the access to the green finance that the home owners have. and we can move that in the right direction, i have more comments, but my time is up. >> thank you jason for your commitment and all of your hard work. >> all right. perhaps, maybe we could hear from the public and maybe try

to summarize our thoughts collectively. >> i think that we should hear public comment. >> all right. >> members of the public that would like to comment? on any of items 4 a, through e? please come forward. >> yes? >> good evening, commissioners, my name is denise and i have these cards that i would like to pass out, and i have these made up and no and i noticed the vehicles, when we stopped to pick up the people, and it could be for up to ten minutes or even more. and so, i am going to read this from, how much is idling costing new york the city of san francisco sfgtv meeting of the neighborhoods and services committee occurring may , 15, 2014, will new york city drivers, they

waste, in the fuel burned while idling, and it also inflicts more wear and tear on the engines leading to more high maintenance costs. new york has feed for the people who idle more than one minute adjacent to schools and three minutes for the rest of new york city. we in san francisco, don't have an equivalent law. and i happened to use a para transit quite a bit. and no matter how many letters i write to the para transit about their drivers idling their vehicles, and i have given copies to this commission as well. i don't get any response, and they continue, and the drivers continue to idle and i have to continually ask them to please

not to do that and so here is one, clever, and one funny little situation. and did, and the one driver that i had, idling to 20 minutes when he was looking for a passenger, i said will you please turn your motor off? and he said i can't, afford to waste gas. and so, any way, i hope..., we can do something with this, and these cars, and maybe, find baners, like we did in the past, and we had baners, you know, they had baners on mission street, and that is

where i found out that you could use toothpaste to shine your silver. and it works and who news because we need to go back to those. thank you. >> dennis, it is great to see you sister and all of your great work with the labor organizations. and this is in the wheel house, actually. >> this is what? >> this is in the wheel house, it takes a while because the people did not want to wear the helmets on motorcycles, right? and they did not want to do it and they, and it did not make sense to them and now it is automatic seat belts and the same thing and as the city gets more and more congested, you can see that we are painting the lanes green and red and there is no reason why we will not focus on something like this and it is great that you came here and you stayed this long and you talked to us about it and it is great to see you too. >> okay. >> next?

>> thank you, >> thank you, president, and commissioners of both bodies, and my name is jed and i am a long time san francisco resident and environmental scientist and co-coordinator and i want to say that with respect to the efficiency and the programs that you folks have talked about today i am a renter and i have been one for 15 years here and it is hard for me to think of a single landlord who could not terribly be classified as a slum lord who will pretty much not take these actions unless, they are really, really pushed. and so, it is important that you keep in mind, how to target the seemingly sizeable percentage of the land owners in the city, who may not really be interested in making these kinds of improvements or tapping into the city programs at all. >> many of whom do not live

here and i want to briefly talk about renewable energy and the clean power sf and obviously, and we have heard, as jason pointed out a lot of climate change related effects and i want to thank commissioner gravanis for mentioning the goal that so many staff took so long trying to prepare. and we are very happy about go solar sf and we are happy about clean finance sf and the full gamut that the rest of the city family are working on but the simple fact of the matter is that as you heard him say earlier there is no other strategy. and without being able to pool together, the city's energy consumers, and get that revenue stream going, you simply cannot scale big enough to get to 100 percent and we can do the solar sf for many, many years, and be this far towards addressing our

climate and impacts. and the clean energy and the sonoma clean power as someone mentioned previously have established at this point that they can provide cleaner power for pg&e for cheaper and that is what we need to focus on here and shall does not need to be involved, if we can get the adoption of a program that offers the cleaner power, at a cheaper rate, we will have very large buy-in, and with that body of consumers we will be able to ratchet up the ps over time to actually get our city towards 100 percent renewable energy to answer the earlier question, work that is already been done through the puc by a previous contractor has established that with the most aggressive funding, 50 percent of san francisco's load, could be 100 percent renewable and locally generated within ten years of program launch. and so i would just like to

say, i really hope that the puc will continue to work with lasco as the feesbility study continues and to get 100 of megawatts of energy and hundreds of local union jobs, thank you very much. >> any other members of the public? >> seeing none, public comment is closed. any colleagues want president courtney to bring us together and collect the thoughts? >> and the whole thing before we collect our thoughts, and maybe we are only allowed to do this for this reason and the city attorneys will tell me and maybe i have to do it as a member of a public and it came to my attention a day or two, after we put together the agenda, and that the puc controls sort of the larger amount of land in the water shed and south of san francisco.

and there is a bunch of folks that i have been talking to who are keen to see the puc open that up to the hikers and the bikers. and another recreational users and i was just keen to just kind of bring that up in this forum and that is not something directly related to the joint work that the department of the environment does. maybe we are not allowed to talk about this. and i am going to be talking about this and i was talking about this. >> okay. >> there is a lot of easement that we need and we do have the land that is held by the leaseholders. and i would ask, if he is okay with it, could you give us just a 30-second on that?

>> he can respond but it is not on the agenda and you should not have a lot of discussion about it. and i think that the response might be that we could get back to him individually, with a response. >> and i will talk to you after the meeting. >> okay. >> thank you. sir. >> and thank you, commissioner. >> sure. >> for our next joint meeting. >> the idea was that we have had a discussion of opportunities and challenge and potential future collaboration, pursuit of environmental objectives, you know, one thing to throw out and obviously it is a lot of content, and for us on the commissioner on the environment we have to figure out how to approach a two-hour agenda that we had calculated

would end in about 20 minutes, but because we wanted to do that, you know, i think that we wanted to know more about the great work of the puc in that environmental kind of lens in that context and hear about what our departments do together. and learn, and so now in that way, it was, at least for myself and others about the information sharing and getting to know one another. and in brain storming, i mean to me, we had a long conversation, but to me one of the most right kind of opportunities for the collaboration might have been in the beginning in some ways and we talked about the linkages between how there can be shared approaches to reduce the need for pesticides and the need for water at some of these places where we have heard, certainly for us that commission on the environment where they do the golf courses and the golf tournaments is that is something that vexes our department and to me that seemed to be a ripe kind of an area for a collaboration when

they were standing there together and of course, in the other things that are obviously we are going to have the longer conversation about the 100 percent renewable energy, and i think that we learned a lot of the stuff tonight, both recently and we have learned about go solar and a lot about the clean power sf and a lot of things to digest and think through. and the path on 100 percent, clean energy. and certainly, there is new stuff about the clean power sf for some of us never knew about a half hour ago is the first time that i heard that shell was out of the picture for sure. >> and that is probably harold as something sort of positive by a lot of folks and that is just my thoughts and i saw a lot of opportunity for the collaboration around the integrated management team and the puc water team maybe in a pilot project that kind of shows how you can have an approach to the type of use in the open space that decreases the need for these pesticide applications and brings down

the need to water, and you know, supports the local communities and workers, and there might be something right for the collaboration around that. okay. >> and okay, so in my just to kind of hone in on some topics, that are of real interest to me. and i think that everybody has, and there is a lot of talent in the room and i am really happy to be here and i was enthusiastic about having this conversation because when we went to the environment commission, when my organization went to the environment commission, you recognized the workers and you recognized the people and sometimes we get caught up in the policy, and the practice and procedure, and that is why i wanted to see some people here and i wanted to see some field staff here, because that is what excites me and that is what excites them, and there are a lot of people and you know a lot of families and a lot of local residents and josh's great work on the local hire with john avalos and i think that when you recognize that the program, and when the

department, and the environment commission recognized the apprenticeship program and it kind of got the president and i talking a little bit about there really is incredible amount of common ground, although you don't have all of the staff that like the recreation and parks department and the department of public works and the puc has and they are working for the department of the environment because it is all intermingled and jake used to call the recreation and the parks department the health department and he is right about that and i want to figure out a way where we can joinly move something forward and a lot of opportunities, to introduce local youth to the ipm program. and to introduce local youth to what we are doing in the sewers, and we do a lot of good video, work and we do a lot of that good, electronic work and we reach out to the kids, and but, i mean, that the youth, that are looking for the employment, and the youth that are looking for the career and that kind of and that is what

gets our juices flowing and we can come up with some kind of an idea, where we don't have to reenvent the wheel but we jointly put something together for the commission and the commission on the environment and to actually set the ball rolling for some kind of a program where we introduce actual workers and perspective workers, to some of these task and some of these careers because, if we don't do it, you know, we miss a big opportunity, to kind of reach out into the communitis in need and the under served communities and i think that i, and just based on what i know about most of the people in this room is that i think that it is just about getting that ball rolling and that is one of the things that excited me the most about today and i am grateful that president, and the rest of you, will be willing to sit here and go through this because it is a long meeting but i don't imagine that the next couple of meetings and they should happen, routinely, would take quite as long and that is when we can really get in and dive in and make some decisions and policy decisions for sure. >> thoughts?

colleagues? >> commissioner? >> just to add to that, i was truly impressed about the amount of joint work and commonality and overlap between the two departments, that is already going on. i think that we should try to have more than one joint initiative. and not just settle for one, and i would like to suggest that the other initiative we at least start out by thinking about how we could work together to get the city to 100 percent renewable because the climate challenge is such a huge threat to everything else that we are all committed to. and believe in. but i certainly look forward to the future meetings and i am

very heartened president courtney by hearing you say that they should be routine and regular, i certainly endorse that. >> and i think that if we, when we got to the last item, if we had the what do you call it? the vigor and everything that you have in the start, of the meeting we probably would have more brain storms too, about how to do that but i think that we have to. i think that you are right. commissioner wald? >> and other thoughts? and commissioners? >> i would like to make a motion that we adjourn. >> all right. >> we are adjourned, thanks, everybody.

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with theater techniques. a lot of the work is content- based, has a strong narrative. the dancers have more of a theatrical feel. i think we are best known for our specific work. in the last 15 years, spending a lot of time focusing on issues that affect us and are related to the african-american experience, here in the united states. i had heard of marcus shelby and had been in join his work but never had the opportunity to meet him. we were brought together by the equal justice society specifically for this project. we were charged with beginning work. marquez and i spent a lot of time addressing our own

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