fuels and so we are working with the puc staff right now to kind of get a balance on that. and the rebuilding of the south east plant is one of the big sources of bio methane and one of the other areas where it will come from is coming out of the biomethane. and if you have any questions, and i have blasted through the presentation and i will be happy to answer any questions. >> thanks, bill. >> questions? >> thank you. thank you, bill. >> commissioner courtney? >> well, i think that... >> one quick question, and does the city or the city and county of san francisco offer tax rebates for owners of electric

vehicles? do we know that? >> good question. bill? or todd? question from commissioner tores? >> do they give rebates. >> not at this time, they usually come through the state and from the california energy commission, carb and sometimes through the air district. but the bay area air quality district. and we manage, a lot of those grants. and we had a very successful program that you will notice that all of the taxis are hybrid and there was a program that was started by the department of the environment that works for the hva, where we gave it a $2,000 grant to taxi drivers to buy the hybrids and to get the process started and pretty much it is converted over now and we don't do that any more and you are welcome. >> thank you. >> commissioner courtney?

>> we have one item left, but in the interest of time, i recognize that my colleagues who have been here longer than the rest and in light of the fact that the other commission has a meeting following this, in the event that you have to leave during this conversation, it is of course, understood. but i suspect that this is the beginning of a robust conversation that we are going to have about our power division. and some of the other details that will follow. so thank you for being here, and i guess that we will call the next item. >> i agree, because there are folks here that want to hear about the renewable energy, generation and energy efficient items and i know that we are going to lose at a minimum, commissioner tores and i want to thank you for joining but if it is okay with the environment commissions if we call item e, i think that it is particular interest and important to hear. >> monica, if you call item e?

>>renewable generation and energy efficiency (barbara hale, sfpuc & cal broomhead, sfe) >> >> good, afternoon. thank you very much. >> and i was remembering that when i was working at the city's puc and moran was the general manager and at one point, commissioner cain was the new commissioner on the commission and so it is wonderful to be back in front of you again. and i am going to go three top level and just kind of clip the tree topps of every issue that we deal with very quickly and i want us to think about that most of our workers in the private sector, we have five basic tools that we use with, and we try to employ all of them in our renewable and energy efficiency program and the first one is education and the tomorrow is already talked about and she did not mention phebe the phoenix being in the classroom and we do a lot of

pushing and contractors and their crew, and the engineers and architects and building operators and managers, to existing trainings and then when we have funding we provide the training on a whole range of issues related to these things, and we also, the other two tools that we have are technical assistance, and incentives. and using largely rate fare funds and we provide several million dollars a year in incentive and to date we have provided 24 million dollars to incentives for multifamily commercial and single family projects and with almost 11,000 projects, already installed, since 2002. and i mentioned single family and, i think that it was mentioned earlier that working in single family homes is a very complicated work, and it is a very small program and only doing a couple of 100 buildings a year at most. but this very difficult work, takes highly trained, workforce and so we work very hard on

that. and with the other nine counties and in a state program, through the pg&e invester and the utility funds and we also have a multifamily program that has been very successful in san francisco and we have done well over 1,000 family buildings and condos and coops and etc. and we also have a commercial program, that addresses the small businesses that are largely tenants and commercial buildings as well as small and medium sized buildings and non-profits and including the hospitals and cpmc have also been our customers and we provide the technical assistance with the city staff and the engineers who go out and do assessments and we also perform the quality assurance check to be sure that the right equipment was installed in the proper manner and as the contractor was being paid to do. finally we have also cross trained our technical staff on water conservation, and the rebates and the technology so

that we can incorporate that and in their proposals with the customers. and a fourth tool is financing and this is the property assessed green energy financing that you may have heard about, and we have a commercial program that has been struggling for some time to actually get traction in the market place and we are about to relaunch the residential program, and which never seizes to be a source of interesting stories. but, there are a number of other methods of financing and one that we are interested in continuing to talk to the puc about is on bill, and on water bill, repayment of a financing program, that currently, could incorporate, and just water energy measures like shower heads, but, that could also, with possibly with some legal changes, incorporate just the

energy efficiency measures which will open up the water and efficiency measures to the tenants that are paying the bill and don't own the building and finally we use law. and we have a number of them that are either going through update or through enforcement right now and like the green building ordinance and the commercial lighting ordinance and the existing building and the energy, bench marking ordinance and we are updating the residential conservation ordinance with a stake holder group that will include the people from the real estate and the home inspection industries and we are working on the ordinance that is about rent controlled properties and enabling the land lords to pass the cost of capitol improvements on to their tenants without where it is actually going to reduce the tenants gas and electric bills. and finally, working on a new ordinance for solar and new construction projects. we also on the legal side of things are working on improving, code compliance

which in some sectors means helping contractors and inspecters actually improve the projects so, permitted projects actually achieve the intent of the code. and then the second part of it is getting non-permitted projects to actually take out a permit and comply with energy code. and these are things that we are using grant funds to perform. and on this renewable side, just going to briefly touch on solar. we operate the, or the staff, and the solar task force that had been started by the tax assess ors office several years ago and we worked on a number of purchasing strategies using employee groups, or types of buildings, like private schools. and we provide some technical assistance and we worked on multy tenant buildings and the strategies, and we do the targeted out reach and

aggregate and then we educate the contractors about the financing opportunities for their clients. and we operate the san francisco solar map, which please don't go to it today, it is broken, and google changed the platform and it cross wired everything and it is in the course of being fixed right now but every solar system that is installed, i believe since 2002 is on the map, and you can normally take a look at your own address and see how you are doing. and this is a chart of the installations and i think that barbara hale is going to talk about what a great job the solar program has done you can see from this graph that go solar has had a big impact with the state's csi, and solar incentive program has been ramping down that go solar has

really. as they integrate into the new roofing project and finally everything that we do is in the context of the regulatory agencies at the public utilities and the state commission and the state energy commission and the air resources board and of course, we coordinate with the puc whenever we realize that there is an issue that might touch hetch, hetchy and there are issues that are hot and one of them is access to data because we can't really do effective marketing and track our programs without having good access to data and another issue that we are facing today is as the state energy code goes up, the way that the rules are written, is that the amount of incentives are able to give to a building owner, reduces. because it is only the

difference between what the base energy code is and what perfect would be. and so as that reduces, it means that we have had a lot of measures that are starting to fallout of the system and we are seeing a reduction in the actual energy products being performed and this is something that the state is well aware of and the utilities are aware of and we are trying to figure out how to solve this problem. >> and any questions? >> i am here to answer them, thank you. >> and finally, if any of you have not yet participated in the energy upgrade, california, and have the brochure here one for each of you and please, at least take a look at the website, thank you. >> thanks. questions? from environment commissioners? puc commissioners? >> commissioners? >> no, thank you. >> okay. >> thanks so much. cal. >> and i think that next we have barbara hale from the sfpuc.

good evening, thank you very much, i am barbara hale assistant general manager power and it is a pleasure to appear before this joint body and i am going to talk today about the two items that were agendaized and the renewable and efficiency and in particular i will hit on what was cal's expression, the tree tops and go solar sf and our solar program and our wholesale purchases and our program, and the program that we run, and the programs that we offer other of the customers and our green commissioning and design review program. and first up, the go solar, sf program. and it was established in 2008, and with a direction to have an objective of two to five

million dollars of hetch hetchy not operating revenues for the program each year and what we have is the program between 3,0

to 5,000 employed and we attribute the go solar sf program to part that have success. and but the program has reduced by 4.5 million, gig, sorry... pounds, each year, the green housing gas, contribution from electric conception here in san francisco and relative to getting electricity from the pg&e portfolio and we have incentives that here, these go solar sf incentives are available to our power enterprise customers as well as to non-customers. you know the pg&e customers. and in terms of opportunities for collaboration, and improvement, with the department of environment, cal referred to the financing option, that is certainly, promising and not just beyond bill financing option, but how we can really make sure that we

are leveraging the go solar sf dollars in the best way. and that will be one of the areas that we will be focusing on for this coming year and on improvements for the go solar sf program. >> and here, on this slide, you can see, the go solar sf workforce, hires by zip code here in san francisco. and the larger bubbles, and near the zip code numbers indicating the larger number of residents who are employed in the workforce, through the workforce development program, on go solar sf projects. moving on then, to our customer municipal solar, mr. carlin at the opening of our day, talked about the power enterprise and we serve largely municipal targets and we serve at power provider for the hunters point neighborhood and the shipyard, project, and that redevelopment project.

and these customer municipal, solar facilitis that i am talking about are largely on the city, owned roofs. and our newest, here at symphony hall and the two that we energized and dedicated and we have over the years a list of projects that i am showing total of 2.5 mega watts of the roofs with the solar on them provided by sfpuc. and looking forward, we are our ten-year capitol plan has us dedicated about $12 million dollars of the net operating revenues to the additional facilities and you will see that in this particular fiscal year, are targeted towards the city hall solar and, downtown high school. and some other high school facilities that we expect to be installing solar on over the summer break. and we also have some renewable purposes, cal mentioned the

sunset solar project that is photographed here and that is not a doctored photo and it really shows up and glows out on the sunset and we have five, mega watts of solar and that is the purchase agreement and so we purchase the output and the performance risk for the facility are held by the facility own and her we purchase the output and also to the extent and the clean power sf program is implemented and i heard that there is interest in us talking about that as well today, chair. and that would be a 100 percent renewable program. and it would be largely wholesale purchases of california, compliant renewable product. and moving then to the customer efficiency. and we have ten million dollars, set aside of our net operating revenue and our ten year capitol plan to send on energy efficiency and

improvements for our customers facilities. and first off, we have 1.62 million of that dedicated to the civil center and sustainability district. and that is a program where we look at whole building upgrades driving for lead certification in the historic district and not only the historic are included however, the symphony hall is included and so, is the public health facility and so we have a miss mix of building tips that we are seeking the lead certification for and the city hall in particular, we are striving and this year, for a lead platinum or a gold for this facility. >> yes. >> our general fund, our

general fund, program, and we are dedicating $5 million in our ten year capitol plan for that, and for that facility. >> excuse me, we are going to call the sheriff up here right now, you will be escorted out of the building and my recommendation is that you leave quietly now. >> again, the sheriff is on his way up here, my recommendation, sir, is that you leave quietly, quickly. >> stand. stand. brothers, stand. >> at your direction, i will

resume when you are ready. >> president, courtney, chair, should i resume? >> be nice, guys. >> call for a five, minute, recess.

>> five million over the capitol plan and that is a directly installed program and so we identify together with the customer departments and the opportunities for the energy efficient improvements and we perform 100 percent of the work associated with that and it is the opportunity for the general fund departments to work with us and they provide us access to their facilities and we take of everything else and it is a program. and we also fund and are implementing improvements on our street light system, you know, we have an aging street light system and we have about,

18,500 street lights that are cobra street lights in san francisco that we will be converting to, you know, switch out the lamp, and the old style lamp and put in an led lamp. and a wireless controlled so we will be able to operate. and not only from the hours perspective but from a person perspective because the life of the led lamps is longer the enterprise customer and these are customers that range from the port, facilities like the

shipping folks who to the cruise ship dock, where they come in and the floating otells basically and switch over from the marine power to the shore power. it is in their interest to make

the investments themselves we funded the audit there at the airport, and then the airport took that information and sunk some additional money and time into the improvements implementing the measures, and so that is a good example of the type of enterprise customer program, implementation that we have seen. and then, finally, we have had a number of customer departments come to us and say, look, we are going to be making improvements on our facilities, and we know that you have the expertise on energy efficiency and we would like to pay you to lend that expertise to the facilities improvements and so that is where the green commissioning and design review program comes into. and focus on the new construction and the retrocommissioning and really

it insures that the city is building energy efficient in, when they make those facility and improvements and so a good example of that is the recently opened public safety building. >> and with that, i think that i have given you a good teaser on the different things that we do and i am happy to answer any questions that you may have. thank you. >> thank you. and if i could ask a quick question, and we talked about it on the commission of the environment and the folks that we talked about today and can you give us status report on clean power sf? >> yes. so, we are and we are actively cooperating collaborating with the lasco folks in performing some additional study on the feesbility on pursuing the clean power sf and we are also aware of the feesbility study ordinance that supervisor

avalos sponsored along with a number of his colleagues, supervisor colleagues. and so we are in assistance mode on those two efforts that really are looking at the feesbility of joining or otherwise working with marine clean energy, or self-performing community choice ago agree gaysing program through the las co-study performance work. we are standing ready once the policy makers have resolved ongoing forward approach to go forward but at this time, our focus really is on operating and maintaining our system and making sure that we are maintaining the financial stability and feesbility of continuing to operate. that core function that we have. >> okay. thank you. >> you are welcome.

>> colleagues? commissioner josefowitz has a question. >> given that the cost of the power is so low, how do you think about sort of the energy efficiency up grades, for instance, or solar on municipal buildings, which would make a lot of sense financially, to most of the normal customers. but, which might not sort of pencil out financially with the cost of the power. >> so to take, first, the low cost of the power and how it works for energy efficiency. you know, the enterprise customer departments and the enterprise, rates to paying the customers that we have are paying the rate that they would otherwise be charged by pg&e and so they have the incentive to make those. and the general fund departments pay the rates that are from 35 to 62 percent below what they would pay if pg&e were the electric provider and

they don't have the electric incentive to make the investment and which is why for those customer departments we are performing the soup to nuts service and making the investments ourselves. and that frees up the kilowatts that are not consumed at that department to sell at a rate that is more advantageous to us than those highly subsidized rates that the departments pay. >> so, if you save a kilo watt hour you can sell at a pg&e or a wholesale? >> today it is largely at a wholesale rate as our customer base grows, for example, as the hunters point shipyard neighborhood develops and our customer base grows, the hours could be sold at an rate that is more comparable to the pg&e rate and we factor that into

the economics of the decision and with respect to the solar and the systems that we have installed it and that they are paying for completely are a more expensive resource, than the hetchy resource, absolutely, but it still makes sense for us to diversify and make the investments where we have the opportunities here in san francisco. >> and is there a plan to put the solar on every municipal roof top, where it would not, or whether it would otherwise not be something preventing it like the shade or the tremendous amounts of shading or tear down the building in a few years or something like that. >> not every municipal roof top is suitable for the solar and we have identified a pipeline of of potential projects, not just on municipal solar roofs, but also on land that the city owns and so, there are opportunities for the ground mounted solar, and today, we are a fully resourced utility and we have all of the kilo

watt hours to serve the customers and were the base to grow and then it will make sense for it to develop more of those facilities, but do we have a plan to cover every municipal roof? no, i can't show you a document that says that, but we have evaluated those options. >> and have you evaluated, sort of the ground mounted solar, in the city limits or the land owned by the puc outside of the city? because you must have tremendous rights of way going out sort of to other places? >> yes it is mostly outside of san francisco. and in the ground field areas that we have looked at. but, we most of the opportunities are outside of the city, and frankly, they are more economic outside of the city not just because of the cost of the land but also because of the