committee we've been talking about getting the board in line with the ethnicity you have appoints including the cac if you have my concerns about the groups of the cac i have the boilth to appoint people to the cac and those volunteers i mean, i feel a little bit defensive on their 0 on behalf of i'm saying i think what gets lost and been conveyed to me and in front of the of the board their service and their volunteer time is somehow discounted by color of their skin and that's not what i'm asking. >> if we have ray a problem of the board when w with our

representation the rules of law committee says we want to be in line and we'll appoint whoever he want. >> you're putting forward a slate did anything appoint anything that's being forward i don't know. i can appoint someone to the cac it's been put forward every time so if i knew that was does anyone know you with appoint someone. >> i don't think that. >> excuse me. stop commissioner maufas has a comment. >> so what commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell a q is nothing usually. we make the requests all the

time. there's no need i believe to get offended in any way. in the normal protocol and actually, we would have seen a listing the children ethnicity that's normal we're not seeing it here in inclination with which we're voting on its in the boundary of everyday requests i'm all the time and i'm not offended. so i think i would support her requests in asking for an ethnic breakdown of the adult representatives on the cac. but actually he since it's been

brought up the combination of their children. so i'd like this parent representative repeal matched with their children that's to help me better understand how you serve your boarder sf community and the children and the needs they have does that makes sense dr. what commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell requested i want to see that matched up with the children their ethnicity and their special needs. >> i don't think that's a problem we i'm not we have that on the membership we have them sign in. >> i like the membership fully and to support commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell normal regular request that happiness all the

time at the board of education. >> i'm kimberly webb one of the members our considering i need clarification i had no intentions of disclosing her disability i want to, is it common place when your reviewing members for the advisory committee you ask for this level of sdail there will you want to match the children with the parents should we quantify because as an african-american i'm offended. >> okay commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell. >> so the qualifying sdrabldz are on here i'm not asking specifically i don't think

commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell is asking for your kids disability so perhaps this is not delivered properly and i'll own that. if any one of you know me this was not intended to be delivered in an offend active way but representing the school district in a large deduct your representing all our children in the special education department for the services. i think it's a fair question to ask how you come to the table. and whether it's you know the different types of disability or the community or the schools that your students attend are your ethnic background all those

things play a role in understanding the policies we're putting in front of you asking our advise so we have whether or not our bilingual community council or special needs or for any other policymaking body that we have that we ask for your support or your advice our guys are the experts for the children receiving services i appreciate your volunteering to do that but that was a question just wanting to understand who was representing us or giving us a fight. i am noted deeply engaged under our spell services and perhaps other board members are so, i mean this is the first time i'm meeting most of you and i'm going to be supporting after all you to represent our children

but i don't know who you are representing our students i'm trying to get a better understanding. i appreciated and understand where everybody is falling dpo into other categories but which he talk about our students in the special needs definition and he repealed by african-american and latino students i want to know is the representation quantified i'm not saying you have to be african-american to represent african-american students that's not what i'm saying. no, that's not what i'm saying >> excuse me. this is not dialog the commissioner is speaking. >> what i'm saying is the body has to represent all of our students and didn't i don't

know, you or where you're coming from i'm supportive and grateful our going to be representing. but i'm not saying this as someone who feels that you have to be african-american to represent african-american students. >> can i make one contempt. >> now, it's starting to get, you know, i'm trying to be really respectful and saying i want to make sure that those that are representing our first names are representing our families. and i'm just curious who that body is it's my right to ask that because we're approving to have you had that for us. and i'm going to be coming to you to ask you what your thoughts are and there's 5 of 17 of you so i don't know who is on

the body >> i'd like to remind the board that we are a body of 7 and that everyone's opinion is respected open the board we we don't make acquisitions we serve 57 thousand students commissioner wynns. >> i have some of the same concerns by the way, i want to remind us and some of you were not here. but there's a time when the essential the whole slate of candidates brought to us fit the same demographics both ethnicly and the qualifying disabilities

of their children. the way we handled that at the time is perfectly appropriate was to say we appreciate people who are willfully to serve we want to courage the candidates and charge the staff with doing specific outreach to get a difference gossip so people are fairly represented that's on your concerns of the size of the cac you're interested in too. that's what i want to say about this slate that's brought to us i'm going to come back to that in the minute and ask our attorney i think all our policies exempt mandated committees that are appointed in a different way we don't make appoints to the cac because there is a federally mandated

process washer the nomination process goes forward >> off the top of my head i don't know. i know that delake has a special. >> - and i've never known a board to make an appointment to the cac in 22 years so, however, here's what i want to point out if you look at the charts there's places where interests obviously disparities between the representation and something missing we have the demographics of the members of the contractors children and the sfusd but no reference to the percentages that are represented

among the special ed population that's something we know is a disparity we don't see that i'd like to see that and i'd like to see the next time you bring us those i show us what's specific outreach has been done to addresses those things where there's disparities that are obvious in the demographic information that we have here. having said that, i appreciate the extraordinarily will i hard work >> commissioner haney. >> yeah. i want to echo the appreciation i know they're stepping up here and spending a lot of time for the kids and the district to with respect to commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell comments and for everyone listening this is standard i'm

sure when you were looking the slates you thought of representation so we want to make sure when we put forth a slate that's one things we're taking into consideration when we make sure that people that are appointed to the committees are reflective of the district as a whole. one thing i want to bring up in a sort of echo around commissioner wynns point we have not had a conversation about the committees in the rules committee in registration to the appointing process i want to hear from dr. blon could around the process in the committee has worked in the passport and how you envision this in the future we'll have a long conversation

but this is left out with the understanding that things were being figured out to figure out the by laws how you envision those policies to work and other federal requirements i know we can one potential turn out to bring this back to the rules committee i think it's important for the board to have clarity we have different findings right now about how those appoints and some people are surprised with individual appoint. it will be helpful and if others board members could bring this to the rules committee to have calculator and make sure we understand how this operates

thank you for being here and your service. >> okay. >> can you respond. >> i'm not sure i - you wanted me to respond if we were a might district our members come from the district the bylaws are written by the active members there'sly way in the design of the bylaws i don't know if they have plans to rice the booulz and we'll have introduction to new members so i'd like is on behalf of the board their

working very hard to bring this into compliemz and there's also people that are current members so if any of you want to add to that but certainly we'll go the committee board. >> i'm joan i invite you mr. haney to attend. we've been trying forgive a long time swlgs so long as i've been a part of the cac recruiting we now do restraining order both calls we've seen autopsying an upsurge in our attention, however, it is challenging to have families comment to cac on a regular basis they tend to come out for example, we'll be

having transportation and families are having transportation issue they'll show you up will they show up when we have a followup but we're trying to circle u encourage families to come out. we felt our cac do represent a diversity of children we're representing our children no offense to you commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell by i kind of interpreted your question i think the same way others do i think the needs we're here representing as best we can kroouft as best we can and rachel mentioned you guys can invite someone to be part of our cac we'll hopefully add to our diversity it's not for a lack ever not trying those who want

to step forward and support our children with dpabldz should be recognized >> thank you for answering my question i thoroughly appreciate that. >> commissioner norton. >> i want to relate a question when i was sitting in the audience i think it may explain where i'm coming from and a resubstantial resentment we had slated members in 1y507 and we were all sitting out there to be appoint we are that in the agenda and told by the president of the board said they wouldn't appoint us because we weren't exemplifies unify we spent a lot

of time we were told we couldn't be postponed because of our color bus that is what this board some people on this board did to me and other cac members i still feel that was incredibly wrong and wrongheaded as far as what we're trying to accomplish. >> any other comments and yes, so commissioner maufas. >> president fewer i appreciate you acknowledging my desire to comment. so actually i'm supportive of commissioner haneys question inform have this come to the committee i understood upper in the process of approving your bylaws but councilmember glover

with the briefcase before you got to a slate that's what i understood and the rules committee has been working with with illicit other committees as commissioner haney said upper put off by your work but you thought you were going to come to us or be scheduled in on the committees rotation so all committees on the rotation. i am surprised at the slate what it means we've opened the slate from my world that looks like we don't see you again until you're presenting our annual report i hope will be down more than annually to the board of education. those are the two areas i'm

confused about you're working open something and you're going to get that to the board before you came up with the slate and then what happened what happens now that you're developing our new work or how you're going to operate and when is that going to come before the rules committee not your presentation of your bye annual report did that makes sense? >> somebody is going to move a chair. >> my name is megan i'm a special education teacher i'm not repealed in the data in front of you i and linda are

part of the membership committee when we were looking at the data for our membership we don't have the information on the parents in the district it's hard to look at where we're going in representing our district because we can't say there is this number of african-american but we have this number of african-american parent that's why we respect with the parents i'm and teacher i represent children most of which are latino and african-american. i myself anal a mixed race mexican and danish i don't know how i fit into that. so it was very difficult with her that putting together those graphics for you to make it understandable for us we could

go forward with our outreach and present something that makes sense it is hard to represent that because we don't have the data on the parents i was the one that was trying to crunch the number we ended up asking the parents to put down their children's race to compare to the race in the district i wanted to clarify we struggled to put that on paper to make sense to you guys >> thank you very much. i would like to say that i think commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell question is a valid question we're asking that question all throughout this district. it's we have known for a long time when i was a community organizer that black parents were treated differently than

the asian and our white parents so they experience i have bio remarkable children i couldn't speak for their experience as a bio racial person i've been told i can speak as a chinese-american person but not speak for my children in the bio remarkable experience we're talking about race in a bold way i think for a long time we didn't. and so i don't want you to live offended we're talking about race now we these what happens we have an overidentificatioin of african-american children in education we see children that don't belong there and drop out

of high school if you've gone to 0 county jail and seen which we did at the county jail in san bruno for me up 60 percent of those inmates went 0 our school. so why we're asking that question is because as commissioners it is socially responsible to ask not meant to be offense or disrespect our work it's at the reality of a district. that has been systematically raciest for a long time time we question not to offend you but to make it better for our children i know from speaking to many parents in the workshops most of

the people in color.org african-american and latino he parents. i would go to out to the bay area and every parent in the i n had not one child with the i p they were talking about how they were treated as black parents and latino telling me their experience which is different than some of the experiences of other parents we have to keep in mind when we serve the captioners or children's it's how we respect the parents and i know you'll agree we hear many complaints about how black parents are treated and when we have an overidentificatioin of black children in special education that's our responsibility as policymakers

to absolutely ask the question ambassador i think if the past many people are front yard to ask it and in schools people are afraid to talk about race in this district i want to think we can talk about it proudly and bring up our ugly past of the systemic racism in the district and try to breakdown what we've created if our systems that have not served is the children well. i think you've realized the problems with special education and part of race is policies we're trying to change it now. and so i think the question she asked is a valid question. i agree that it's a lot of time that volunteer time you've put into this and he agree your time is valuable and that we all

appreciate he everything you do for our students but it's socially conscious for staff and board members to be aware and we'd like like our regular teaching staff to represent the ethnic breakdown we serve 90 percent of color 66 percent of our teachers are white ambassador that's a bold thing to say but we are trying to get toward a more racially representative teaching body as our students we're looking at audio administrators we're looking at it at everyone and actually we're looking at the it as a board also. so i think we had a really heavy discussion but it is a height one because those are the same

discussions happening in our schools we as principles talk about race and we ask the teachers to talk about the special day classes when there were no almost no black kids in sober schools except in their ftcs we're questioning that for all the children that are identified. and this is how we change that. we talk about it. it's comfortable uncomfortable and we've seen what happens when we sweep it under the carpet i think you should unquote to the county facility in san bruno and talk to those men and the experience they've had in our school districts and having i p and not being in the special classes where they recess with

the regular students and lunch and we've had decades of that. so i feel like that information dr. blon could that commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell requested is valid and if you could give that to the board it will be greatly appreciated but right now, we're ready for a resolved and mr. haney. ms. maufas. commissioner mendoza. dr. murase. commissioner wynns. commissioner norton arrest president fewer. 6 i's. thank you very much. art on to our next item. discussion thank you pursue discussion of other education issues. no one. cds resolution.