>> sure. >> thank you, sir. >> okay. excuse me. >> l right, then. thank you. >> next speaker? >> i see that we will give additional time, we have interpreter here with the speaker. i recognize from my days of the hall of justice, how are you and good to see you again. >> [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> good evening, my name is marina and i belong to the organization called labos latin o the latin voice. [ speaking in a foreign language ] >> and the mothers and young people and residents. >> [ speaking in a foreign language ] . >> workers and business people.

and tender loin. our neighborhood has 4,000 children and 3 schools. the violence and the drug activity in and surrounding the district border between the police district of tender loin and northern stations are larkin street is a grave concern, a major concern. we ask that the district captains of both stations work with us in order to develop a safety plan and to work with the community for its immediate

implementation of such a plan. i would like to add something. we would like you all to provide us with ideas, as to how we can work together with the police. in order to improve this neighborhood of larkin. where there is a lot of violence. and i am very sad to realize that the violence is committed by the people of hispanic background because i am latin myself. and i would like you all to provide us with ideas as to what we can do as an

organization. in order to improve the district and where we live. to have a healthier and quieter lifestyle. >> very grateful ahead of time for this request that imposing to you all. thank you. >> thank you, very much. >> thank you. >> if we could have a moment and maybe get the captain for just a quick second, sorry. >> i realize what we are talking about is the district only has a small bit of the tendyer loin and i know that you have pointed out that specifically in an area that is right on the border bye-bye ,

by the park and we do touch upon it and maybe you or the chief could give the public a little idea of what is going on in that area and what we could do and some suggestions. >> yeah, as i mentioned earlier, in the presentation, that is an area where i have received a number of e-mails, calls, about crime and activity that ends up flowing from one side of the border to the other currently the northern station has both sides of larkin street and when you go east of that it is the tender loin and a lot of these individuals, whether they are committing violent acts or selling narcotics which is usually inner related in that area, it becomes a concern for the community that is down there and so, i have had conversations with captain turner as a matter of fact and we had the discussions yesterday about that and i think that it is important that we both get together and collaborate with the community, and i will give them my card tonight so that we can have the real meaningful meetings about

not only how we can address it from the law enforcement but what we need from the community for some of the businesses and some of the residents that there are to buy in with some of the things that they can support us with, to help to try to address that problem. and so i will be giving my card to them and i will speak to the captain and we will get a more collaborativive meeting with those groups so that we can address it. one of the challenges is that the narcotics activity does fluctuate into both of those and sometimes we will see that we can make a number of arrests and i know that the captain has made just in that area, at least 70 narcotics arrest and we have made just as many and sometimes it becomes not necessarily a resolving door but they get replaced and it gets moved about and we have to look at things besides the arrests because it is difficult to arrest our way out of that situation, there are other things that we need to work with with the community to try to get those addressed, and we will. >> and we can throw any

resources that both captains can share from the hall and join with our federal partners to do an operation, in the eastern end of the tender loin earlier in the year and we can put together an operation in the western end, that sends a clear message to the dealers and then for the user which are prevalent in the area, the drug court is located in the tender loin. and anybody arrested that is a user would be a candidate for drug court which has been effective. >> thank you, so much for coming. and taking the time to share your concerns with us because we do often talk about the number of families in the area. one suggestion that i had talked about that we did successfully as a neighborhood prosecutor in haze valley was partnering with the community members to have the district attorney office and you are lucky to have karin, and a great city attorney, also, to identify the frequent fliers and the returning drug dealers who are returning to the same corners that the district attorney office can flag those and in a disposition, which is

negotiating whatever the plea is, if the community mostly wants a stay away order and that is something that i know that the district attorney office has done a great job with and so i think that it sounds like you have all of the component parts to put together something that the community voice is heard in the courtroom and so you can break that cycle to some degree with some of the drug dealers and i think that we have had success in that and i urge you to connect with karin and the district attorney in the office. thank you for taking the time and if you have your family it is clear how much your community matters to you. >> what you are talking about is maybe at that border, that maybe doing like a special operation? >> right. so if we will pair off them and yes. >> thank you. >> and i am just wondering, and if it is a question more for the chief, is there a way for us to like the folks are sophisticated enough to know where the borders are and it is

not just this one location, can the district officers cross over and go a block over, is there a way when we do the redistricting to overlap them by a block so we don't have these gaps potentially where the folks can hide out? >> i am happy to discuss, we have never done the overlapping thing before, that seems if there is no ownership that could be a problem but i am happy to actually include you or any of the other commissioners as we look at redistricting. and we just had a preliminary meeting with the consultants that are accumulating all of the data on redistricting that is required by the chart and her they should be coming back with some early iterations of the potential maps and i know that one thing that we did not do, last time, is look at things like things that are just outside of the data but we as forever as police officers in san francisco, we know that there are certain anomalies like it used to be that

levenworth was the border and we ran into the same thing where people and the west side of the street was one district and the east side was the other and so trying to find blocks that are a little more neutral like van ess avenue as the dividing line where there are clear barriers and then when you have a problem block, like larkin street that just one station has ownership of it. and so that will be something and greg and all of the other captains have been solicited for their input for the certain anomalies but it happened certainly from the prosecutorers and or the public defenders in the city know those areas. >> right. >> and so it is an expertise that you possess that you might not think about. >> the second idea that i had and i have seen in the past that we have had sort of the special operations targeting the schools and play grounds and adding in the enhancements if there is drug dealing going

on within the 500 feet of that playground and 1,000 feet and just basically a block and so i am wondering if given this particular location, >> right. >> and i don't know if we are starting that idea. >> and we do things like that in the operation and we did do with the dea and the u.s. attorney's office and the eastern end of the district. was specifically targeted at those people that were traffickers and bringing narcotics in that were within the district and within the limits of schools and we did apply those enhancements and so i am happy to revisit that with the u.s. attorney and the dea. >> sure. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker. >> thank you. ladies and gentlemen, of the audience and commissioners good evening, i am lawrence and i have been away for 4 and a half months because i have been

completing criminal investigation courses. i could not attend on tuesday wednesday or thursday night, but very briefly i wanted to bring up before i get into my actual subject is that i work for hud in 2005 and 2003, to 2005, putting ex-cons in the tender loin that get out of prison, and part of the job is that when they get out of prison after a 8, 10, 12-year sentence, the federal government gives you ten dollars and sends you on the street and call up hud and hud to get an apartment in the tender loin for up to a year, while they get their stuff together, about 60 percent of these guys go back to prison after one or two years. and very briefly, i would like to talk about two things, quickly. i watched the presentation in the neighborhood and i think that the gentleman that spoke in the beginning is right that you should do this conference in the community.

and you should push to get as many community people to show up as possible. not just a handful because you put a sign here and there and so his point was well taken with me at least any way. and two is that also it is time to talk about restructuring all of the districts and we have eleven voting districts but we have a mixed bag of police districts that crisscross across all of them and i think that we should talk at some point down the road is that the match, the police districts with the voting districts. and so the people would know exactly who to deal with at any given time in the voting district, and what supervisor and what captain of what precinct. and i think that if you look at it across the board here it creates a lot of confusion for the public at large, and no offense that the captain that spoke tonight is that it would be helpful if he printed a bunch of the phone numbers of the station for the brochure as well, so they will know who to call at any given time with a

problem. last, is this, is that i have come back here after a few months and i see that we have a big change here in terms of commissioners but i look on the commissioner list there is no abrupt changes and they come and go as please or off the e-mail sight or search a web site, with no explanation whatsoever is who is taking whose place, i think that it is about time that you start announcing, for the public ad large, and start getting lay men, instead of the attorneys hand picked by the mayor to be on the commission, the people in the population that should know about an upcoming position as commissioner and they apply for it. and then you can turn them down, or accept them. i thank you for your time on these issues. >> thank you, next speaker? >> good evening, my name is jackie bryson and i am here

already to apprise the chief of what i am about to say, it is a housekeeping issue which is sort of funny but not really, as i struggle to get here, on muni, when it finally showed. yes, we have all had a good laugh on that one, thanks a lot unions. and i took the 5 l so that i could get here on time. and i have to get off across the street on van ess which is a nice place to have district boarders i agree with the barriers. and i struggle across vaness and managed not to get hit by a car and on the sidewalk and not get hit by a bicycle or a skateboarder, or an idiot and i struggled up the access to get to the door, and i pushed the button, and i can can't et door to open so that i can get inside of the building and it is only about 5:15.

and so i managed to scurry and it is a term that i use often for myself to the end door and i was able to actually make the door that turns around and i actually did it, and got inside, just as a deputy was getting ready to lock it. i said, why was i not able to get my disabled access into this building from this side of the building? and he said, well we normally lock the door at 5:00 p.m. and i looked at him and i said, isn't there a police commission meeting tonight? and so he goes and there is a thing that has all of the events that are going on in city hall posted. you were posted for 5:30, what is a girl to do, show my super powers and walk through walls that is absurd, the door needs

to remain unlocked at least until 5:30, if not, at least until a quarter of 6:00, what you don't want the public to be able to come to the police commission meetings? we are not even talking about neighborhood meetings being relocated here. but like i said, what is a girl supposed to do? walk through walls? i am wonderful but i am not going to show you everything that i can do like walk through a wall, i am done. >> thank you. >> next speaker? >> good evening. >> good evening. >> greg maratana from the japan town neighborhood. the captain reported about the little and the wonderful stickers that mo magic made and we put on just the parking meters because that is the only place that they could go and they went up the first part of march and i just want to report to the captain that in february, they were like 27

auto boosts, and dropped to 17 in march and 15, and then down to 7 this last month. and so, so far, the pilot and it looks like it is helping. and so, i just wanted to report that, you know, the captain came up with this working together, and we got some of these young people to put these on, and unfortunately, we may have to go back to mo magic because the stickers unfortunately are fading very quickly and so the colors are and the message is there but it is fading so we are going to have to maybe do something, but we will figure that out if it works out later. so the good news is that things are improving in the community. and however, because of the crime that had been increased before, the main and some of the businesss in japan town have now formed through sf safe, and they have formed the japan town business watch group. and now, that these people are communicating a small group of

them, it is amazing how many of these be on the look outs have gone up. but it has helped to prevent some other merchants from being victimized because they have got a photo with some of the places that have cameras. and we would continually like to work with the business watch group, and we would like to work with sf safe to look at how to get more training there, but also the issue of the surveillance in terms of cameras. and we have met with a gentleman from the union square, business improvement district. and so we are looking at it and of course it is going to take a little resource but we appreciate what sf safe has been able to do and we acknowledge the fact that williams station has made an out reach and has done something that has moved forward and it is small. you know, we will take it. and but the only thing that the community is really looking for, is that there used to be two beat cops, going through jtown, and that made a whole bigger difference and because

they knew them and they all asked for wane and they have not been around for a long time. and if i might as far stickers, the captain is nothing short of heroic. >> you are right. >> but what he had to do to get those stickers on the parking meters and it was pointed out to both of us where they are just going to fade and we begged could we just put them on there to see if they work? and so, now that you have these statistics that you can give to the captain and i think that we can get, and we talked about, that we would then go back and find a durable sticker, and then move it to i see, the captain is the new captain of the southern and the lieutenant dahani are a legend in the western edition from the years past and so now we can get, and now that we have some data that we can tap, we could probably get those stickers made into

something that will be more permanent. >> would i like to wait until august because the highest number was 35. >> and he does not have any numbers right now any way, so just give him the numbers >> let's wait until we get the numbers and we can show that the trend is positive that way. but, yes, i mean that i think that it is making a difference because you know, the merchants understand that if the auto boost happens out on the street, they are going to go home. >> i guess the song goes that we will see you in september. >> that is right. >> thank you. >> please come forward. >> again we have the interpreter, so please provide additional time. >> [ speaking in a foreign language ] . >> good evening, my name is margarita and i belong to the organization known as latin

voice i have been living in the tender loin and i have come to ask for your support. because, on market street, for a long time, for many years now, that there is a lot of vandalism and often, there is people fighting out on the street. and selling drugs. and the families in the tender loin walk by with the children and they are facing huge danger. and we need your help. >> and we are willing in the best way possible to cooperate

for the police, and the station police, in order to improve the area thank you. >> thank you very much. >> okay. >> next speaker? >> good evening, sir. >> >> mr. president, and vice president, commissioners, my name is thomas simpson. and i run an arts organization at the african american art and culture complex. we focus mostly on adults, but sometimes we do community engagement projects with youths. this year, as a result of some research i found, in terms of the number of african american youth who are incarcerated we decided to do something focused on black kids. and connecting them with all of the black men, and for inspiration and up lift and some other things. and as part of my working on this project, and i have had some focus groups with some young black boys. and in one of these groups,

something was said that startled me that may not startle everyone else but it did me that i like to share, we talked about education and relationships and gangs, and the police, and we began to talk about who we would like to have at a particular event. that is going to take place on august the 16th, and i thought, well we have to have something from the legal arena come and speak and be a part of the event. and one of the kids was a little shaken by that. and asking him why he was shaken by that. he mentioned that if he had to run on someone on the street, he would rather run into a gang member who he did not know, than a policeman, to me it is startling but maybe it is not.

he felt that he could negotiate himself out of a issue with a gang member and not be able to negotiate himself out of a meeting with the police. if some issue arose. around this time or something happening in the valencia garden and in asking some other kids is this usual, or unusual? and i have to say that i found it to be not so unusual for black kids and so with all of the out reach that you are doing, and that you are planning and that is happening, i hope that you will consider the population of the young, black, youth, particularly of 13, to 17. >> that is the exact group that we are focusing on. >> and the youth in the south

east section of the city and the mission and the fillmore. >> and that statement that i said, is that something that is unusual? >> i would say that it is all too common for me and i think that it will be more uncommon as we go forward. >> thank you. >> and let me just say, that it was not uncommon, but those young people, they need to get some officers in front of them right away, i mean, i am sure that jason johnson and i can get the officers right there so you can have the discussions with the police officers. and here is the, they don't like be profiled and i don't like them profiling our officers and if he feels that way, let's get the officers in front of them to begin to connect with them and deal with those issues because i don't want them growing up, you know, and it is not going to work. so i can give you the names of the officers and i know some officers that would be very happy to come. >> and i was going to say that

there are way more cool cops than there are uncool cops. and so we don't need to jason is not, you know he is not the only game in town if you tell me the neighborhoods that you are talking about there are tons of great cops and northern station and they would take exception as the commissioner says, at getting pinned with a broad stroke and they would want to literally live it down and have that conversation. >> i think that i would agree with you, but i think that there is the perception. >> we are only going to beat it back by having the conversation. >> and i think that i am in your complex all of the time, and the shakespearean productions there all of the time and i have also been, the president in the board and the former president of the board and the community center and so i know what the officers in the northern district do, in that district, and if you are having an event on august the 16th and you think that you need to, and we need to be there, and i

think that we, i will make the promise to be there and i will work with the captain or anybody else to make sure that you have officers there. and great, cops. to start to change that, perception, because, that is absolutely the wrong perception that we, and that the kids have and we want to have that perception, changed. >> i know. and just to balance it out, you know. the captain he has the cops coaching the sea hawk football and the cops in the hutch and there are recruits coming from the academy and working the leagues and the fitness program that he was just talking about and coordinated through and is also in the district and these are the officers working all of these things and i believe that the academy was at the fillmore ymca and that was our dedicated youth program that the last academy class that graduated from was spending four hours a

month and then there is a lot of momentum and we don't want to leave any kids with. >> totally. >> without it. >> and we are not going to please everybody, but i think that we need to have that conversation. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> and i mean, that you and in all fairness there was an incident at valincia gardens and i think that the officers really do a good job working with the youth. >> these kids don't live in the garden but this is something that they heard that happened. >> it was on the news. >> it got the press and it was in november and now we are heading into the middle of june and so it is tough, you know, and the officers do so many great things. and they get just a they get five minutes of, for instance, the event that that happened,

that was the day that bat kid happened, and before the sunset on bat kid we were over shadowed, and the rest of the world did not know about the gardens but in san francisco it was over shadowed by the gardens and now the officers do these unbelievable things, for instance, jason johnson taking a group of kids to africa, and raising all that have money by himself. and that was our weekend story, i think in the morning and nobody else is talking about it. >> so, bad stuff sticks and the good stuff does not to, and we are happy to have as many conversations as we need to, the officers are putting so much heart into their work these days, that i hate to have them, again, pinned with a broad stroke. >> and i just want to, in my point is this, not all of the kids all of the time.

stop putting cops in front of them, you tell them and they can have it out. the only way that a young man is going to feel differently is if you put an officer in front of him and you can say that to him and they can go back and forth. >> all right. >> and i was cut off and i do agree with the chief there is just a lot of good that the officers are doing. it is something that if you have an opportunity to hook them up, that would be great because i think that will see a different side of the police department. >> commissioner loftus. >> we are not going to let you sit down. >> i just want to say that for my colleagues we are so passionate about kids and so you are getting a lot of reactions, but i am just really grateful that you took the time to share that with us and part of the thing of the voice of the youth and making sure that they are heard in the circles of power and the fact that you took the time to share that with us and you can say and commit back and have the