>> i would like to call to order the meeting of the san francisco public utilities commission. today is june 10, 2014. >> roll call. >> vice-president caen, moran and cute knee torres is excuse d. >> today we have the joint minutes from the joint committee of environment. there is actually no requirement that you have been at the meeting in order to approve the minutes.

>> really? >> yeah. certainly if you want to change the minutes, that might be an issue, but it's not a requirement that you have attended the meeting. >> good to know. i will second. >> all in favor say, "aye". >> aye. >> opposed? motion carries. thank you. >> we now turn the public comment. anybody in the audience who has anything to add to the commission today that is not on the agenda? i would like to call dr. jackson? good afternoon, everyone. dr. spin ola

jackson. i would like to say that i enjoyed seeing you all at the special meeting and would like to know about some of the statements made at that meeting. i will be talking on item 12 dealing with the environment because i brought information to you all and your staff will be making copies, the secretary will be making copies to give to you later on because i will be making a request of you dealing with item no. 12 when it comes before you. thank you so very much. i hate the fact that i can't hardly walk. i got out of my sick bed because i want to make sure you have information that you need so you won't be doing something that you will be sorry for later on. when you read the information that i have given to the secretary, you will understand what it's all about. thank you very much.

>> thank you, dr. jackson. our next speaker, mr. decosta? >> commissioners, first and foremost i would like to commend you on the meeting. many of the aspects of the meeting were important. of course i don't want to speak of them right now, but i speak about them later on a different date. >> i'm here because we have to pay careful attention to the outreach linked to the sewer system improvement project. one of the ways that we can

set the standards and the goals is to evaluate the outreach linked to the water system improvement project. so commissioners, you should get some report as to how the outreach was done with the water system improvement project and really how that can be evaluated and what mark of grading or standards you can learn from that if those reports are with you. you know we spent $4.6 billion on that project. and even though it hasn't come to an end, it's coming to an end. now back to you sewer system improvement project. this is not easy. i

will tell you why it's not easy. when i went to europe, rome, florence, serena, to east berlin and to frankfurt, i visited treatment plants. i visited many of the factories to see their latest technology. they are far ahead of us. so the closes thing we have here in california is the water treatment plant in los angeles. and we have some in new york and i was there for two weeks 2 weeks and i saw it. i think some of you went out to visit. it digested, the planning and the development at the site in the bayview is very very complex. and we

need to pay attention to that. we need the to get the best design, the best development and the community needs to get the best information. thank you very much. >> thank you. you are going to be a great help to us as we embark upon all this. i would like to call ms. clark. >> good afternoon to all of you. i'm ann clark. i have two hats today. i'm happy to tell you the camp is open. there are lots of happy campers. one of the things that i was talking about that this gives us a wonderful chance to educate generations young and old about the difference between healthy forest and those that are ravaged by

fire. my water hat that the see's comes down the river. they get people to paddle that whole route. i am not one of them. they will be here and they stop on the way and talk to communities as they come many finally, i want also for you to know that i actually read the orange county register and on may 30th there was a story actually like the register. it's a real paper with lots of paper in there that tell us about the story. they lean this way and that way. it's kind of interesting. on may 30th there was an article about all of us in northern california cal and the hedge heche and in the

article there is a picture of someone walking across the bridge, harlan i know it's not you because this person with wider than you. in the old days. so this is for you to see what they are writing about in the orange county register. i wish you lots of luck and we'll be back to tell you after i come back and i'm sure we'll have lots of happy campers. thank you for all the hard work. >> thank you so much for bringing that. >> our next speaker, mr. rice and mr. ova car. >> good afternoon my name is

mr. rice from the high school. now i'm with one of our 10th graders class of 2017. i'm pleased to announce that we have additions of our camp and happy campers. two 2 weeks ago today we took the class of 2017 up to camp mather from john o'connel high school. for three 3 days for an powerful tradition. we want to thank president courtney and the commission for making this possible for helping fund this incredible adventure that you will hear. i want to put out that this is really about access and transformation for us to provide students to a magical asset which i took my children to and to be a --

able to take our students there which was incredible. to speak of hetch hetchy and learning about careers and the water system directly. no need for a powerpoint when you are standing at the dam. to swim in the lake and activities that we know so well and with my own family and to have the students go there and with a camp t-shirt. i would like to thank the commission for that an a special thank you for mr. helen kelly and those of the puc who this commission included who not only provided the financial support but the programmatic report and we had the team with our students and talking with them about the puc. that's what we are looking for with john

o'connel. we welcome the financial support but it's the partnership that is playing out here live. as many of you know we are preparing an innovative high school model that is preparing students for many different careers, integrating different suggest areas and the puc is on top of that and helping to prepare students for environmental technologies and not only are we preparing students in the 11th and 12 th grade for these careers and a five 5-week program that we have at the water treatment facility. we are mapping backwards and preparing our students for the system. i want to yield my time to someone more interesting. this is joe's --

#9 >> hello. to be truthful i didn't want to go, but when i got there , the view was amazing. i fell in love with it right away even before stepping out of the bus. they -- there we all got to bond. we are a lot closer and like family now. i think the worst part about going is not being able to stay there longer. it was truly an amazing experience. >> well, that's very special that you shared that with us. we all feel the same way. >> thank you. >> do i have any other speakers today? no? okay, i have a question for all of us up here. i keep thinking we are having an earthquake. something is rear umbling. you know this is a very safe

building, not to worry. >> okay. next item. communications. any comments? yes. commissioner? >> thank you, couple things, one is the glad to see the controllers office on education. i thought it was very useful. the item f, in response to questions about the adopted policy, i think that fell short of the mark. it didn't really address all of the policies that it listed. and we have had some conversation about that. i look forward to getting something that is like what the controller did which gives us basically on each component of each policy are we doing it or not and then if it takes a short paragraph of explanations, do something like that. something that ends

up functioning pretty much like the auto report that we get which keeps us a pprised of what is going on. what i'm hoping is to have that report come to us before staff really gets deep into the the budget process so the commission can look at policies and adopted and to look at the budget to do that. that's where i r -- i'm aheaded and i think we can do better and i think we will. the last thing on the calendar, i know there is something getting as many gray when i iskers and i have. there are questions that are several years old. >> good point. do you have anything? >> i do. i wanted to express my thanks and appreciation for the memo, go solar san

francisco cleanpowersf because irrelevant -- it answered some of the questions and i understand at the end of june we will have marin and sonoma to talk about what they have been ale are able to achieve. i wonder if we can get information on the budget because there is questions on the board with regard to ca monies. i think there is a budget hearing tomorrow. then i have one more question. >> as far as the budget is concerned, we worked closely with supervisor avalos, london breed, farrell, mar, to talk about their issues and concerns as it related to the position that the budget committee took to tabling our

budget. we had many conversations andante end of the day they realized that the $13.5 million that was set aside to create a cca was not the same that it was two 2 years ago. so, we talked about if we were to pursue a cca would be the magnitude of $4 million. so we went over those numbers and they felt comfortable that identifying $4 million in our budget would be sufficient. so what we did was we looked at the money we had left over in lafco which is 1.8. we identified cuts which is 700 one 1-year and $660,000 the next year and

then out of the $13 million they just held $800,000 to come up with that $4 million mark. so, we were able to work that out. the other part that they identified was in year 2 for the solar, to go solar, they wanted to make a commitment of the $5 million that $3 million be earmarked or prioritized for cca can ustomers if we are able to launch a cca. that was a caveat. the other last piece is they wanted to have a commitment from the mayor's office to have a hearing this month. we are planning for the end of june meeting to talk about marin and sonoma cca and work closely with supervisors on the details of that hearing. that is where we are

now. is there anything i missed? and so, the board of directors had a conversation to ensure nothing got lost in translation. we are going to present that tomorrow. >> are you shaking out there? [ laughter ] >> great. thank you, i know there was some new news out of alameda county where the the board of supervisors approved $1.3 million to set up their joint power authority to pursue cca. i think it's going to be very interesting to look at these other efforts and see what we can learn as far as

best practices go. i don't know if it's going to be too soon at that meeting to have a draft outline of what a program could look like, something that the mayor's office might be happy with because i know we all care about reaching the climate goals and really trying to accelerate the green job market and the lofty goals that were laid out understanding that some of the issues that existed a couple years ago no longer exist and maybe there is a program designed that we can come up with and especially understanding that marin now is $85 million revenue stream and i know with the fiscal issues that the puc is facing will really hold that out there as a potential revenue source is really appealing. if there is anyway to urge our

general manager to present as part of what we learned about some of the other counties, i think it would be suggested at least to see if it's an option because now it seems like there is $4 million to go solar and now we've been directed to do something with. >> just to clarify, there is two approaches, one is the map erin # -- marin and join marin and have marin do a study and that will cost like $400,000 and to join would be no additional cost for us. that is one direction. the other is a set up of programs like sonoma and what the mayor is interested if we were to join marin he was interested in a local job component. so we didn't really land on what

approach to actually pursue, and so i think trying to formulate what a program will look like when we don't know if we are going to join their program or create one of our own, i think the supervise or wanted to have each option available depending on what we decide on. there is still challenges. the biggest challenge is the three headed monster out there trying to make a program that's affordable and because you still have the opt out where you want to minimize the consumers. two, on the mix. some folks feel that you don't want to do recs and then you have the local job component. i think that is going to be p balance act. and that is still a problem if we were to pursue because you have people that

are committed if you sacrifice one of them, then it may have issues with how they support the entire program. that's still a challenge out there. so i think that really hasn't changed that dramatically. >> my understanding that sonoma is paying a dollar less for their cca program. i think there is a lot of movement happening on those fronts. >> yeah, but we can talk in detail tlchlts -- there is a lot of different from the cadillac version that we had. the one presented was totally different. we can go on the major differences. i think that's part of what the workshop will talk about what they were and what ours were. i think we even had a workshop to talk about the differences. but anyway, that's the purpose of the workshop. >> yeah, i would hope we won't look at that. we don't need

to look back in the comparison of the program and it's time now that we want to think of a new program that will be able to address and overcome and be a different program and achieve the goals that we laid out based on the assumption of the market in the last year. >> we have the workshop at the end of the month? >> yes. the 24th. >> do you have anything else in communication? >> that's it. >> i have a couple of things in communication. going back to the calendar, this is just an example, i see at our next meeting two issues that i'm involved with. the sewer inspection. we are supposed to report on that every six 6 months and here it says we last reported on it january of this year and the next report will be december. so that's a whole year. so we are not paying attention to our plans that we have on these

calendars. secondly i want to talk about the real estate services report. okay. so we have a very nice list. it's very similar to the last list i saw. but we still have no action on any of these. there are just list. my question to you is what is our next step for these properties? >> it's a very good question and one in open session there was some action on some properties that we were talking about in closed session and other properties that we'll be bringing forward to as we negotiate agreements with other parties. so, there is various stages. if you want to have a discussion about that, we can. but some of

those properties are moving as you know on the list. >> okay, can we have that on the agenda for a report at next meeting. >> maybe it's part of closed session where we can give you a more detail update because there are certain like michael said we are in the middle of negotiations. >> okay. that should be on the agenda for closed session. >> that's fine. >> okay. thank you. is there any public comment on communications? mr. decosta? >> welcome senator torres. >> thank you. >> the first thing when we that had joint meeting, one of your commissioners stated about some reports about the community choice aggregation in the newspaper to which i had some comments. on our

website chronologically, we need a report from the beginning when we started discussing about community choice aggregation. way back in 1999-2000. the trips that we made to sacramento all our early work when janet bloom field was the department of environment and so forth where i think some of the representative from sf puc were there. none of that is available on the website. so this back and forth now deciding one thing now deciding the other thing and not giving a very clear guidance and blueprint to the public is wrong. so there come the newspaper and they blow it out of proportion and start blaming you commissioners and so on and that's not good for all of us because we have been deliberating this for a long

long time. some new comers have come and they are bring other things. we need to go to a better place. we have to have transparency and accountability. so when we have these reports that are really not given to us very clearly the public, but are given to all in a general manner and you say they are going behind closed do ares to discuss something, that is something that some of us advocates why interested in the privacy act and the freedom of information act in the sunshine where we believe that in order to keep things holistic, you have to shine a lot of light. it's a

disinfectant. you go behind closed doors. and the public is left out. that's not good. i don't want to write about it. we have a case where at 1800 oak dale we have some nurse ry. we have the aspect that you can't tell people to do business on a month to month lease. if you go to a bank they are not going to give you a loan. you need to be compassionate. that's a reminder to people who say they are experts. if you are on a month to month leisure not going to get a loan to run a new business that gives over 50 percent of jobs to minorities. we need to be compassionate. i need you commissioners to have a heart to stand up for what is right. thank you very much.

>> thank you. dr. jackson did you want to speak again? >> yes. i wasn't going to speak until he brought up 1800 oak dale. i have been before you many of times about 1800 oak dale, the building, the community college and the programs that we have there and what has occurred in the past. the director knows that he has stated to us that he wants to go forward. well, you cannot go forward until you understand the situation about the college. and about what we started back in whenever, years ago. you know with the expansion of the plan. i am getting tired, very tired of coming here and repeating the same thing over and over again because some of your staff do not