you can include that. >> commissioners sorry to interrupt tim frye department staff there are standard ascertainment on the interior or roof of a property my understanding from the approval from the original approval do not include my provisions you're welcome to include it as a comment in 9 sure it is a condition of approval but we'll work with the project sponsor so the public knows there's an interpretative place on the exterior but nothing required at this point. >> so the commissioners will support something along those lines. >> we're looking at a column. >> commissioner wolfram. >> i have a general comment been one concern the location of the new columns in the exchange hall. it is shown on page 33 they're

very close to the round pieces of the ceiling i'm wondering is it possible to push them outward so they're at the halfway point of the bay are pushing them - >> why. >> so they're not so close to the round elements not in the half bay my concern a when you introduce those columns the ceiling will appear that the beam is taking you to a column and supporting the building but not the case so to separate them from the ceiling and also in they're proposed location their obscuring the defense counsel rationed on the wall and if further out a to the corner of the room less spacial not

spacial impact on the room but also not obscure the plaster and not physically be touching the round piece could that be investigated just comments about that. i don't know. >> jeffrey high on a hill it calls to me reserve architects. they're essentially centered in the space between the edge of the ceiling and the molding element that occurs >> yeah. that i'm talking about pushing the ones on the left side to go further left you want

to - >> why don't i mark it (laughter). >> oh, you mean move them out of the line of the ceiling? >> yes. exactly so they're not not closely. >> can't be done. >> the answer simply can't be done there's a 20 story building coming down on top of this we've already done a major structural fiat feat to achieve that i can show you the columns why don't i show you what was approved by the commission through the board

before and show you what we've done which is a quite a bit of an improvement but let me just also tell you there are heroic going on above the ceiling. >> it's just money. >> anything can be done (laughter). >> okay. so what i've put up is as approved and, of course, ignore the graphics it's just a structure diagram as approved were twin columns and they've

break down that element the reasons for that is the structure at the time and the geotry was haywire from what we have today where we work to reconcile that into 4 columns down from 8 which we believe is a much better improvement and less intrusive on the space, however, moving them a hallway away over is not in the cards it will probably up did ann thank you on the structure by $7 million or $10 million so i think not happening unfortunately. i don't know unfortunately or fortunately i think it fits the space and is a better resolution

than what was approved before >> commissioner pearlman. >> i have a related comment before you sit down so we have any idea what they're going to look like. are there my details maybe i missed it in the package >> there are no details we're perfectly happen to finish and articulation if any and so on. in the original asia intervention we did we took the column and clad it in fraufrtd glass and could an illumination in it so show it's an intervention we happy to go in a quiet direction of a plaster

like finish and the color certainly fleshl about what the commission feels >> i want to say all the work that mr. turnball is creating a perfect restoration of the building we have this energetic i know we've spent a lot of time on a bath in the square we're saying whatever the columns are working with the staff it seems that's a very important pieces to the conversation about this project. i don't know how the other commissioners feel relative to seeing them again >> commissioner johns. >> getting back to the signage problem. it seems like the law is the law

and our laws in san francisco maybe path, etc. pointed out by john king in the chronicle but i appreciate the work to make this building beautiful particularly after it's been deterring lick for so many years and it will be a shame to see this building as the center piece of another john king article saying that the public didn't know how we get here it would be so contrary to the direction in which the gentlemen are going i really want to ask the developer and i

see mr. hell letter is coming to the lectern let the public know so they can enjoy the high quality of work >> we were discussing that a little bit. i think we completely agree with that for a couple of reasons it's essentially mandated by the fact we have publicly assessable open space inside which is required. and the - in my case the entire element while not required will be some kind of public lobby or a function that the public has access so the building will be open during open business hours with every scheme with respect to the tenants a way to the

office building new lobby behind it i think we can assure you but number 2 the idea of some small plaque on the base element to one side of the door which like any of the plaques around the city says smag something about it maybe is encouraging of viewing it could be done easily i'll with you on that >> commissioner wolfram. >> one question in the 2008 memo it recommended keeping intact the feeling of the entry lobby and in the property work it's not taking the ceiling out it says something about we need to replace the floor above but that space doesn't appear to be used and not a difference between 2008 and now.

>> i think i mentioned this but the floor above we see the new structural diaphragm when had you take that floor out we'll have to remove the ceiling a good approach to take molds the plaster and recreate it i think that's something that could be easily done over at exchange portion the hall i think it makes sense to go in there and representatively sections and catalog stores. >> will that be an occupied space. >> yeah. but it didn't like a lot of material.

>> hello, i'm jim o cal had an. been a lot of work done with page and turnball and the team from the report that was put together in 2008, with the package and a big part is the structural renovation of the building it will stand for one hundred years and part of the investigation that jason of middle broke is doing is examining the diaphragm and if the structure can a stay it will stay that's part of the report of what we need to do and if the ceiling needs to stay in place as you've seen it's a temporary system to put in place while we build around a it and if we can

work with the plaster folks on how to take molds and preserve is and take it down in as much detail and put back as original hydrathis was there that's the focus of this since 2008 until today, we, assure you have that >> jeffrey high on a hill it calls to me ier again at the shelf building we took the orient overlook ceiling down and put it back up and preserved the ceiling while we did things above and we'll work with page turnball and the contractor in the best efforts to retain the ceiling and pull it down and put it back up which

is actually not too hard to do so long as the condition of the material is savageable. >> thank you before we move on i'd like to talk about the design materials the design should come back because just being suggested they get this and that i'm age hesitant abused we'll bring that back when we get a motion. actually we're only commenting >> tim frye department staff yes. there's a motion in front of you so if the commission has specific direction on the

columns we're happy to work with the applicant and achieving some of that. we happy to bring it back as an informational item but based on did conditions of approval it will not be coming back of the approval of the final design of the columns by happy to share the outcome go at a future hearing >> it is clear kwhr what the distinguished so the last column is not compatible. >> i'll add to that verbiage. >> it's good to be seen with had the design comes up but it certainly won't stop me from approving it. >> any public comment on that item? seeing none, public comment is closed brikz and all our

comments so far. the storage and sort of possession plan that the possessions are still that thought building >> i think mr. fry made a good stab at that. >> i'll say the comparable climates. >> that distinguished but comparable. >> i'll add quiet so they're not making a statement on their own schedule. >> construction schedule i'm sure that construction will want. >> i have one more comment and maybe an answer from the gentleman. one of the comments i had was about the color of the glass. and i know it's not specifically parted of the mineing exchange

but in the refrpd it comes down off as the blue green the same as the tower but inappropriate from the streetscape and maybe you've been so successful making the mining exchange prominent and the blue green glass is inappropriate >> you're talking about along bush street audience the bush street and the towers. >> well jeff high on a hill it calls to me ier. these are a couple samples of glass the rendering mostly there will be some surveyor subtle coloration but that's number one and number 2 the street store frontsdz along this streets will

be clear glass >> i saw the intercontinental hotel showing up i got nervous. >> (laughter). >> doesn't the public open space have, you know, they have a sign that goes on the building. >> yes. >> it's not exactly with the commissioner said. >> tim frye department staff sorry to interrupt much less wong brown will make sure it meets the public open space in terms of the signage and availability. >> okay. so commissioners i didn't hear anyone technically example ma make a motion. >> i'll move the motion of approval with our traditions. >> well, we need an approval to

adapt a resolution. >> so commissioners increase another motion and second so draupt the reserving resolution with your comments to reflect a storage and catalog in plan constricts and the columns be capable and quiet for the signage. commissioner hyland. commissioner johnck. commissioner johns. commissioner matsuda. commissioner pearlman. commissioner wolfram. president hasz. so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to zero. commissioners, on that motion this will place you on item 9 for the informational presentation

>> thank you. i'm just again do you have a hard stop at the 2:30 is that what's going on >> try to get through this. >> have another meeting that starts at 2:30. steve planning department staff >> do we need to call this item. >> thank you for having me commissioners i'm happy to talk

about the distribution and repair to celebrate how far we've come in the last 5 years and the eco system and hopefully, this will be something in the coming year and most. what is production repair it's production of art and production of building and clothing atsz all kinds of things and the distributions is movement of goods and people and utilities and repairs the amending item. what are the characteristics or pdr first and foremost pdr can't compete on rents with other uses in our economy we have office and housing that can pay much more in square feet than industrials the industrials don't pay enough to build anew

given the land costs the office intensity 3 to 5 times descender so the office districts are near the transit. of course, industrial uses have a concern about nuisances since the old days of factories and rendering now flower marts and furniture making but it still can be noisy and some of those are very good neighbors. and also it didn't necessarily provide a convenience to for day to day uses pdr uses are used occasionally they can't be offshore the things today you can't offshore your plumper.

what's the roll in the economic it supports our technically and tourism and rely on pdr uses to the hotel you need your listen no one cleaned and printing services, etc. so those serve the local economy this is a graphic that comes out of the san francisco economic streaming it identifies pdr as one of the drivers for the economy 3 support tech and tourism you need the human structural the education and it's necessary for supporting the local population like your plumber and car repairs. so pdr jobs tend to pay actually

comparatively they pace twice as much as retail pdr jobs are for people without a four-year degrees and a quarter of office jobs are educational folks pdr jobs are a great pathway for middle-class folks like all western industrial cities are based on manufacturing wire about shipping and mining equipment world war 1235e with the ships built in san francisco even through the 1970s we were the industrial uses were the leading driver of san francisco economy at that point, we have one hundred and 65 pdr workers by 1980 that was a third of the

employees in san francisco today, we have 63 thousand 10 percent of workers in san francisco. what happened suburbiation and workers for pdr jobs pulled them out of the city and global sun pulled outing jobs out of the united states. and land competition meant the competition was being pulled out. the pdr is strongest and it is tied to the economy if the economy is good pdr is good there's a lag when the export economy is not doing well, the pdr didn't do well. we've seen a renaissance and sf may have over 5 hundred and the companies were here and we've seen a 3rd of those companies

starting and there's showing about the maturation citywide. but we're also seeing the lease rates for the pdr rates 63 percent is low in the economy and hard to find location in san francisco their two to three times represent higher and the loss vacancy we're seeing folks leaving san francisco for more affordable spaces. the main jobs i left a question at the bottom dunn and braid street didn't know how to define art even though our controls i'll speak to in a minute support the arts.

distribution and with wholesales and transportation tend to be high and most of the repair workers are contractors like fixing their homes. where are the pdr jobs in the city their everywhere they're clustered in south of market and the northeast mission how far here's over ladle with a simplified zoning where the industrial uses are protected and the gray areas the industrial areas are there but not protected and they're all over. in fact, the data is about 1/3rd are in industrial areas and a third in protected districts and the hunters point are there but in selma and 12 hundred around the port when you call your

plumber he's coming from his house so look at where they're at. the plumbers are not in risk but 1/3rd of the uses have protected zoning with no office and at any given time a third of the industrial uses are at risk because we don't have zoning places to protect them. it's something to keep our eyes-only. so what is playing done to support this we've supported to protect the land like the south of market the northeast mission square is clufrtdz the bay area and the port if orange that adds to up 12 hundred plus it's only

a small portion of the land the clusters largely around the waterfront and the bay area. we've done to support pdr we allow them in the mixed use a lot of the automobile repairs and on valencia street so there's no reason not to allow industrial uses in those areas we have nuisance controls and they want to be in other neighborhoods to we've closed loopholes and like life works and business services. we support pdr business and reduced the process we have legislation that passed that made a lot of things that are conditional use we'll insneftd new sprinkling industrial spaces and work with sf made but we

work with sf made that speaks for workers for the protection of space and transportation far workers etc. what had having some next stewardships we have legislation to protect the looked building this is for supervisor breed's office and right now the office uses are for looked building in pdrs districts we support those building without allowing the building to convert to office and we have legislation we've excused with supervisor cowen at her requests hopefully, we'll see something in the next few works we continue to support pdr with the pier 48