merit in keeping objective 3 dealing with arc local resources separate from others they're a little bit different but so that we make clear their although they have separateness they should be treated the same we could make the policies that are set forth in objectives one and 2 applicable to objective 3 unless there's a particular reason that they just don't fit so i'll like to suggest that. so far as what you should do in a future presentations i think although i have misgivings your presentation was good and efficient today it - you might consider rather than through n

them in this manner giving us your suggestions in the form of a document. this objective, this policy, this policy, this policy and this way of implementing it that way it is a little bit easier i think to analyze a document that's presented rather than or 8 people trying to redraft things >> commissioner wolfram's. >> i think the arc local issues should have their own sections we can't say just identify a citywide survey because most of them are underground we don't know where they are so often we

find them with another project and typically under a project it's not staying there it is cataloged and taken off into storage and then nobody sees it it disappears so it's a completely i think it's a different category that we should address differently and finally, i think you did a great job with the presentation it's clear i agree with commissioner johns it would be good to have it in this format but he everything in a format that comes together this sun shines should be a implement and bused piecemeal if we did all those steps it will look like this but you did a good job. >> commissioner pearlman. >> i agree you did a good job tilts extracted it should be

objective 3 should be separate their treated so devil, you know, in the aspects of how we protect them and catalog them i'm wondering in the term geographic system could be replaced with database so if there's a new gi f it's under the same terms. i have a question how we review the text of, you know, the 40 package text of the preservation element i have a lot of questions about that that are, you know, previous to the objectives. so i don't know if there's a format you know from those predictions if we're ever going to be looking at that >> at it this we want to get general direction on the direction in the text and staff take the first stab at&t's at

the rewrite it's a difficult proposal. so we're suggesting that staff take it on and we'll bring you revised text which is informed by your direction and at this point we'll have a chance to look at that carefully the wording of the document that will likely happen in the fall or winter. we have a public outreach program that will be kicking off in september and we want to pa gather public comment on the document before we get into the text 080 have an understanding >> i'm asking how we give you that feedback. >> we'll be holding hearings in the future to review the text and if you have comments right now you want us to start considering you're welcome to

e-mail me and generally for the public we have a website and an e-mail just for this project and submit comments commissioners and the public can submit comments and we'll be gathering those and co- latino them. >> commissioner matsuda >> thank you. i thought that was a very good prerj presentation just to follow-up on commissioner pearlman i want to see in our next steps to look at the objectives with comments. before it interns or enters into the next phase. i think in looking over the policies piece by fire hydrants piece is good but we need to see how it fits altogether and holes we need to address so i want to make sure that the public knows there's an opportunity to look at the whole document with us.

>> commissioner johnck. >> okay. on the objectives there's been good rational stated why this should be a separate objective regarding the arc local resources you said i like the expansion of the policies to prompt more educational information although you didn't provide one we should provide one you i think this is a good thing that's related to what objective 7 or somewhere down the line. the geography information, of course, that's a new way of presenting, you know, information that's already in the database we have a database and sites that are it media registered with the states that are here in the city. yes there should be a database

adding the application would be good. and let me see any changes anything else i'm curious about the arc local preservation what we haven't done that >> actively i have one of our archeologist on staff. >> i'm trying to remember if that we have any in the city. >> we have a national register in the historic district that's south of market around mission bay. it's eligible under educational one we are working on the projects for prehistoric sites we'll require them through criteria one rather than d

>> okay. great. and good job i wag with the comments that was easy to decipher and make recommendations on today >> no other comments we'll take public comment. any members of the public >> raymond a person that's traveled tloo a lot in europe i have a couple of other things but, you know, if you think of under the cathedral and barcelona where they find the roman city they've left it occupy for people to attend and in is aville they wanted to build something more than the

par sale metric this fantastic modern structure but, of course, everywhere you deciding they've found a way to integrate an underground museum i'm looking forward to see what the presidio is doing with the restoration of the officers club where the archeologists have being been dupg to find the adobe in the building so i don't see anything to be proactive so again think creatively about better things we could be doing with arc local preservation. >> is there any additional public comment sooend any final comments. >> president hasz.

>> yes. and i just wanted to go over the next steps so the commission and the public understands where we are. that so we have two more hearings scheduled one for july and one for august in july we'll be looking at objectives 4 through 6 i heard your comments about how you want to see how the objectives fit into the document i'll try to provide for information in the whole structure and we'll labor specifically at the objective 7 through 9 in august and september 10th we'll be holding open house for the public to come and share their thoughts on the draft and give us initial feedback and that will kickoff our public outreach projecting program we're going we'll be going to the stakeholders with our draft and the revisions to

the text and revise the text and bring it back to you to look at the detail of the specific language and be ready for a sequa review that will take several months hopefully by next fall to look at the adaptation. that's where we are. thank you. and we will close that item. and if i might before the next item we have a request from commissioner johns, commissioner johns has several edits and aechlgs on language he presumed this was not coming up so he's requesting we continue the rules and regulations that are mruz the rest of the commissioners if

we could get a motion for continuance >> motion to continue this. >> could we have a specific date for the next hearing because you're just like second has been cleared and with coincidence here. >> august 6th. >> cancelled well july 16th it is full so august 6th will be a good date. >> perfect that's a fabulous date. >> if we get a second. >> on that motion to continue item 10 regarding the reducing. commissioner johnck. commissioner johns. commissioner matsuda. commissioner pearlman. commissioner wolfram. president hasz. commissioner >> last thank was the july 2nd we're going to cancel that meeting. >> commissioners, if i may

throat chair quickly reopen commissions comments and motivators i didn't want to leave here with bad advice i gave you previously when the commission made an action after speaking with the city attorney and we reviewing the city charter on sections under article 4 section 4.135 for the historic preservation commission it makes it fairly clear our action for the looked designations certificates of appropriateness and permits to alter are final. unless it is modified by planning commission under circumstances or appealed to the broild boyle's or the board of supervisors depends upon the type of action that the project requires so i apologize for that

i up of wanted to make sure it gets on record. >> so that means we basically don't have a recourse if that he find out we're told information - >> we can direct staff to take other avenues of recourse set up. >> okay. >> perfect with that, we'll 

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