to speak later and may want to add a little something, john, with the replanet and the next cycle and ed done who has done a lot of research, both on reverse spending machines in the past. they work in other places europe uses them, and the east coast of the united states uses them. i think that it is a matter of coming up with a proper plan for them. which really involves staff support. and you can't just put a machine out there and expect it to do the work. the staff either at the super market or a supporting recycling operator has to be there to service them. and to be there to see that they are operating properly and to solve the problems when there is a container that does not fit. and i think that they are part of a solution, but they are not a replacement for people, and they really just create, and should create some additional convenience when being open when there is not a person there but we really do need to be supported by the staff and i think that there are models out there where we could make good

use of them. >> and then, one last question, i am not even going to ask you about the closure of the hafrng recycling center, but could you quantify the closure and the soon to be closure of the market street, recycling center, how is that going to impact the communities and i know that others have talked about that. >> well, it is that recycling center, of market street and actually was specifically built by with the city funds to create a closed off nice-looking actually, recycling center at a very critical spot on market street and that was about 15 years ago. and actually more than that, 20 years ago now. and that center has just continued to take more and more volumes, and what it was designed for and it is probably just triple the volume that it was designed for at the time that that wall was built. and because centers like the hafrng center and the webster street safeway have closed and you keep jaming and jaming that

volume through there and when that center closes that volume will spread, and it will flow down market treat and it will move towards the soma district, and actually all that there is down there is a reversed vending machine at king street and that is not going to do it, and it is hard to know where that material is going to go and that is one of our concerns is that some of that material will or may no longer be recycled and because it does not have to be a destination and as debbie pointed out there will be a huge impact on the people carrying the material to wherever they go and on the public transit and on the streets, and as the people try to navigate to find a place to get the redemption money back. >> i wish that i could ask you more questions but i have a stack of cards and a number of other speakers. >> thank you. >> i should acknowledge that we also have susan collins from the beverage and container recycling institute a national organization and teresa boy,

against the waste agency that is monitoring the impacts of the state legislation and ed dunn, from the recycling, and kol oly with us as well. and the next speaker is from our police department officer, ivan. >> and thank you for your patience and i am going to do my best to keep this moving. >> good morning, supervisors. >> good morning. >> i will keep it brief from our involvement is primarily from a... >> speak into the mic. >> criminal standpoint. >> could you pull the mi. c closer. >> i will lean toward it. we currently have the department bulletin that identifies if we ever see anyone taking recyclables and cans and bottles out of the blue bins and enforcement actions should be taken.

primarily, at this time, it is complaint driven. i have a document from our analysis unit, and it appears that for the section 391.1 of the health code we have had ten incidents in the past year where people have been cited, and this does not include anything such as suspended licenses from the people that are collecting the bottles and cans. and the possession of stolen property. and so, we have had so far this year, 7, and as i said it is complaint driven. and that is all that i have. >> thank you so much for being here. >> thank you. >> and the next speaker is darush kian from the department

of public works. >> paul and i will do a presentation. >> i am a superintendent at dpw and responsible for street leaning and mosquito abatement and i was going to give a quick presentation of how we service the city cams throughout the city, we have a total of 3300 trash recepitals on the street, and we have a metal containers and some of those have a recycling top to them but not all of them. and what we are doing right now, we are converting over to the new metal cans and so those are the round cans that you see out there, and all of those cans will have recycling topps on them. and we are going to do that at 400 a years going forward.

i want to present a dashboard we have a business enintelligence system and so we are looking at what is happening throughout our entire operation in real time. and then monthly we get together and we sort of look at what happens with the camand with all of the data really, but specifically i want to drill down on the cams and if you see in the upper left-hand corner. staff are out there servicing these cans and dumping them and we get the calls from 311 asking us to top them off because they are overflowing because you can see over the past year we averaged 162

service requests per month, and the high of 191 and a low of 106. and that is with respect to the 3300 cans on the streets. and then you see that there is a comparison there, and the average time that is again in the upper left and the average time to complete those requests and that was 89 minutes, and we had a high of 125 and a low of 51. and so, the take away from this is that we service these cans at about an about of about an hour we get to the cans and we are able to address them. the bottom left shows when the requests come in. compared to the response time and we just did a snapshot of march 15 to june 1 ath. and there is a phenomena that the people see the streets at 6:00 a.m. they start to move up and increase as you go through the day and pique at lunchtime and start to decrease and you can also see that the line that is there and sort of a response to those. and so we start to get our feet on the ground and address them and we get into the morning and

into the afternoon and evening we start to decrease and there is a pique in the morning and this last can is helpful because it looks at the overflowing cans and hot spots and we can really focus on where there is a problem and illegal dumping and i will just end with saying that we have a strong partnership with recology and it is critical for the zero waste by 2020 goal, and in the past dpw used to dump our debris up at the chavez operation's yard and so anything in there went into the pit and not diverted at all. now we dump at tunnel road and other spots that are centers so they can be part of deversion and they can divert some that have debris and we average 74 tons on a daily basis and so it is no small task of what is going on there. also this past fiscal year, we integrated our system with recology and now as the calls come in for overflowing cans or

also very important when the people are dumping out there, many of those things used to go right into the pit and now they get the calls and picks them up and incorporate them into the deversion system. and so, i wanted to ask paul to come up and talk about their system. >> thank you. >> and then we can answer any questions that you have. >> thank you. >> good morning, supervisors as far as the city cam recology does is we have dedicated racks that pick up the cans along the commercial corridors sometimes up to three or four times a day and then the rack trucks specific to each area also service those cans in the residential areas, and at least once a day, and sometimes, twice at the beginning of a route and the end of the route. and back when the recycling topps on those cans were introduced i worked with the department of environment and then the deputy director from dpw and came up with that a lot

of folks were breaking the doors and trying to get in the cans to get the bottles and the cans and that is that they are getting recycled. the ideas was to put a top on the can that would allow the people to drop the bottle or the cans into the top of the can, if someone wanted to come and take those out it was easy to do it without getting hurt or damaging the property. and then they were dedesigned to a trap door underneath and so when they came along to collect it, any garbage or trash u you can flip it down and dump it, pretty efficiently and quickly. >> so, that is kind of the history of the recycling, or of the corner litter cans. and on the dpw operation's side, dars, is right and they used to have a trailer parked at the chavez street yard and everything that they collected

from the street operations were just basically go into the trail and her then we would come and haul it to the landfill and very efficient and quick and not the greatest thing for recycling. now, we have dedicated a portion of our yard, at the tunnel betty complex for the dpw and we take the street sweepings there and they are taken up north and composted which is great and that is a lot every year, and the material that they collect off of the streets which could include, brush, green waste, cardboard, and that kind of thing, is taken, up to our construction and demolition starting line and we are averaging about 80 percent deversion off of that line, and so we went from basically zero, to 80 percent, or better, recycling rate, from dpw's operations. >> actually i want to thank you for taking me on tours of the recycling facilities at recology and working hand in hand with the city departments

and even making the adjustments so that the individual recycling could more easily access the recycling from the new and the existing garbage cans and to mr., kian or spurpt kian and the new ones with the recycling topps you are implementing them at 400 per year with a goal of having them throughout the city through a place of 3300 existing cans, is that right? >> that is correct. >> and thank you for being so clear about, what you do together, as well, it is really appreciated. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> any questions? >> i just want to note, with respect to what is happening, you know, with recycling, i just want to thank mr. justy, and i think that you guys do an incredible job and i appreciate the work actually that is being done now with the public housing. and i think that recology is doing a great job and i know

that you are trying to expand that effort and i just want to say, you know, mr. justy is always going out of his way to also connect the dots with you know, creating job opportunities for folks in the community especially young people and so i am very appreciative of that. >> thank you. >> thank you. and i know that we have another major hearing is coming up as we get through had one and i am going to do my best to ask the people to keep the comments short and the next speaker is regina, the director of the office of small business. >> good morning, good morning, and mar, and supervisor yee, and a couple of things and thank you for having the hearing and a couple of things that i want to just point out, is that the definition of a super market was established in 1986 which was the definition that is around what is like a safeway, and that is at 2 million dollars, and so,

because of that two million dollar market, or marker, we are now seeing more of our neighborhood markets now moving into that definition, of a super market. and triggering convenience zones and for me, this is very important, so, i was contacted by roxy market, at circum and ninth and they received a letter because now they have created a convenience zone, and yet, these entities do not have the physical space to be able to do recycling centers and so i think that when we are having this conversation and we are having the exploration, and well it is easier to think of the safeways and their parking lots, we are now having more, and we are now having more, and over the next couple of years, we will have more of our neighborhood markets, moving in to that definition of a super market, and triggering a convenience zone. and so that is one thing, for us to kind of keep in mind in terms of it, and they do have a

responsibility of creating in their letters that they do get from cal recycling, and they do have a responsibility for helping to create a recycling center and so that is then, a responsibility that is being put on the smaller entities. and i think that the, or the option is to pay $100 a day, and for the endties, $36,000 a year is not something that is easily affordable to them. and the second component is that if we don't do anything, and we continue to have the reduction of recycling centers, then, as it has been identified then the fall back is our small you know, our small neighborhood stores and corner stores they will be required to accept the recycling. for the currently there is, i think that what cal recycling identified that there are 118

right now that sort of fall within the zones that are not served and soon to be the 360, i think that it was said and once safeway is closed. and they are required to post on their store that they do take back recycling. and i think that for our certain is that one most of the small businesses do not have the space to be able to facilitate the storage, and it is a health and safety issue because many of these are in mixed use buildings. and so they do not have the ability to be able to dispose of their recycle ables and so they will be retaining them longer in the physical space, which then has the potential for rodent and inspect issues. and in talking with our department of public health that is a concern for them as well and so those are, i think, you know, as the new director for the department of

environment has said that we need to bring everyone to the table and we need to take a look at this and we have a situation that needs to be resolved and without any action, our small businesses will then be the default recycling centers and i don't think that that works well for any of us. >> thank you, so much for being here. >> thank you. >> and the next speaker, is cecilia, from tam amiano's office. >> thank you for convening this hearing, the assembly member has been active on working on this issue since the hafrng recycling center and remains in finding a solution, and it is near the eviction that is happening in our community, and that is pretty clear, and our elder and people with disability and single moms, and the homeless and poor families

rely on the recycling to supplement the income and many of which are fixed and barely covering the costs of living in san francisco. and we support the recycling as a necessary service to keep san francisco on the cutting edge of being sustain able. and we should be expanding recycling and recycling opportunities, rather than evicting and eliminate and consolidating as many of you in this room agree. and the safeway eviction on market street san francisco community recyclers, will push out more homeless and poor people from san francisco neighborhoods and relegate them to the industrial areas, and force them out of the city envierly, san francisco now has 15 recycling centers when there are 21 in 2012. and that is one less recycling center since our state of recycling forum that we co-response ored in march, and of those 15, nine are neighborhood based recycling centers and 6 are located on

safeway parking lots and safeway evicted four recycling centers and reversed vending machines so far this year and plans for more evictions. what we need is corporate responsibility, on the part of the super market as well as willingness to come to the table in good faith if we are going to create a san francisco that is for all, and not perpetuating the tale of two cities, i think that this is a good first start and i think that the supervisors for convening this hearing. >> thank you, miss tran. >> the next speaker, is usele prato from the department of public health. >> thank you for being here, mr. proto >> good afternoon, supervisors, i did not come here with a presentation, i just wanted to let you know what my role is. i am in the solid waste program and environmental health in the health department and i have a primary job and my secondary job is a back up and we had our

lea and our local enforcement agent, retire a year ago. and so, i have been assuming his duties and basically with this and with these recycling centers we basically go out on complaints and enforce our san francisco health code, article eleven, and section 581 of a nuisance code and that is how we, get involved in all of this. >> thank you for being here as a resource. >> you are welcome. >> thank you. >> we have a number of speakers from the public that i have cards for. and i wanted to call up several of them. first, that have been working on this issue with a broad san francisco coalition, and so through the chair could we open this up for public comment, now, my recommendation is that we are going to have to limit the time people can speak so that we can get to the next hearing and mr. chairman, what is your advice about the time limits on speakers? >> well, i don't know, but i think that we are limiting it

to two minutes. and i don't know that we can go below that because i think that we have to give every speaker the same amount of time. >> excellent, thank you. >> and so i am going to call up several speakers, susan collins, from beverage and container recycling institute, and teresa lee, and ed dunn, and jessica conoly from northern california recycling association and jennifer from the coalition on homelessness, it does not have to be in that order, but please come forward. >> and in the overflow room if your name is called, come into these chambers to be ready to speak and i will call a number of names right after the first couple of speakers. >> hi, i am susan collins from the container recycling institute. and the hand out is a report that we did on the state of the beverage container recycling nationwide.

and that was recently released. and we are a 501 c3, established to study the beverage container programs and we are the only, institute of this type, in the world, and so we are often get information requests and have members from around the world. and so, i can't tell you everything that i know about this topic, in two minutes, but i do want to make myself available. and i can answer many of the questions that i heard you asking here today, and indeed, that is what i do every day. and so, i do want to say that this issue of establishing enough convenience, is a problem of course, that every beverage container deposit in the nation has faced and no one has done it as badly as california. and it is, and there are mechanisms in place that i can share with you about the way that other places have done it. in looking at the statistics on california and i have studied convenience in terms of

locations where people can redeem per capita. the common standard is more like one location per every 2,000 and with some of the numbers that i heard her today you are looking at depending on how many centers. you are looking at a convenience metric of one site per every 40,000 or one site per every 80,000 and it is orders of magnitude, worse than what exist everywhere else. and now was that tone saying my time is up. >> please keep going. >> okay. it is a soft ding and then you have 30 seconds left and then there is a loud ding that means times up. >> okay, the other thing that i wanted to say was that i have looked at your statistics from your 2009 street litter audit >> please continue. >> that data suggests that crd beverage litter has been reduced by 87 percent as a

result of your law and you know that you spend $7 and a half million dollars a year collecting litter in this city and so i don't know how many hundreds of thousands of dollars are being saved every year, by this law but it can be calculated and with that, if my time is up, i will just make myself available, as a resource, because genic answer most of the questions that you had. >> could i just ask one question, in looking nationally at different urban areas, do you have any recommendations on how we maintain or ex-expand the community based recycling centers? >> for this particular system, since you don't have a return to retail mandate, for all stores, which is what exists in eight out of the ten states that have a deposit program in the u.s., they don't have this issue period, and because they have returned sites everywhere, but in the places where they use, a redemption center model or a depot model and the

producers and the manufacturers and when i say producers, i mean both the beverage manufacturers and the retailers usually form a cooperative and that cooperative is responsible for maintaining the standards that are set by the authorities or the state authorities. or the country. and so, they have to set up or put together a plan of how they are going to establish enough return location and then they have to meet that plan or else answer to the provincial authorities, and basically they figure out how to establish enough sites and the cooperative model that she was talking about, would do something like that. if they are taking their responsibility cooperatively and saying, how can we establish these return systems, the closest such model is in oregon, where they have had several redemption centers established instead of return to retail, and it was the grocery stores in an area that got together, within a certain rat yus and say that we are going to put a redemption

center here and it is going to serve all of the grocery stores. >> thank you for being here. >> you are very welcome. >> next speaker? >> good morning, thank you for hosting this hearing, and this is an important discussion, and my name is teresa and i am with the environmental non-profit group, californians against waste and we support it and we were the supportive of it in 1986 and unlike the traditional bottle programs, it utilized the public and private and non-profit recycling infrastructure and it compliments rather than competes, it continues how to have several recycling option and can return them and receive the redemption at a super market or privately operated centers, alternatively they can leave their containers in the curb side and that helps to offset the cost of providing curb side recycling service. and recycling centers at super

market sites are where many consumers choose to redeem their beverages. a wide range of consumers use just to redeem their services such as scout troops and churches and immigrants, and families, small businesses bars and delis. curb side recycling has been complimentary to trv, only 8 percent are recycled at the curb side. >> what was that? >> 8 percent. >> okay >> and on any given day on sf the population double in sized with tourist and commuters and they do not have access to curb side, in addition recycling centers generate better materials for curb side especially for glass, closing recycling centers compromises the state's program effectiveness, and in addition, closing down the centers, will drive down the recycling rates and convenience and increase traffic issues loitering issues. and i just want to support the

director's proposal to have a stake holder, commute, you know, discussion, and we would welcome to work with you. >> thank you. >> anastasia. >> and the tomas. ray, and ed, litman and john ferarri from replanet and i think that i have called ed dun, and tess well born, and katherine colins. >> hello, i am a very and i live in in the valley and when bell market had recycling there was one staff person who handled the recycling every single day. and when the whole foods came in, they had a machine, and i tell you that it was such a headache because it does not

have the capacity it has the capacity for less than two buckets full of stuff. i started to go to market street, and eight people are losing their jobs, and i don't know where i am going to go, so hopefully, they are discriminating against the poor and the homeless and the disabled like scott weiner. >> thank you, next speaker.

>> hello, my name is ed dunn and the executive director who operate the center of 2020 market street and i was the director of the center that has been talked about today as well and i have been working in the recycling since the 70s. and i want to remind, the board, today, that this is not the first time that the city has picked up this issue. and in fact, the market street recycling center, and the wall that the department of the environment referred to earlier and the landscaping and the current form of the market street, recycling center is actually the result of a resolution of the board of supervisors passed in the mid 1990s, when safeway was trying to evict the centers at that point. and it is great to be talking about how to expand the network, and it is great to be talking about bringing in the other stores so that we can get more coverage across the city. but, the crisis is happening right now. and the market stre