electrical vehicle charging. we're offering a battery storage program to our immediate yaum and large commercial customers. we partnered with an organization called bidgley. and those are basically tools that give energy -- it can tell you how much the appliances are costing you. we help fund the marine green business program. it's apart of the bay area green business program. finally i want to mention that pca create local jobs and that's something we're proud of. more than 1300 california jobs have been created through mce since we started service in 2010. i have some fliers with some in depth

information about those jobs and union labor which has been a hot top he can and if you're interested, we can pass that out. we have 20 full-time employees at mce and we have venders and then we've been able to create jobs through energiy -- energy efficient program. they're creating and supporting jobs. so that's all about mce. and i'll be happy to turn it to the next speaker. >> what has been your experience with shell. >> we partnered with shell when we first offered service and that was

in 2010. we did an rfe for our energy renewable supply. at that time our board made a decision we wouldn't launch and get a minimum of 25 percent of renewable energy and shell did that. our contract with them expired in 2017 which is the reason we've been on contracts for so many suppliers. to date, shell has been a good partner for us, but we understand that some people in our community don't -- because they provide electricity. >> you were partnering with pg and e. >> whether you're with pg and e -- >> how green is the shell product. >> shell offered -- they

provide 75% of our power supply right now and so since we offer 50%, renewable on the 100% renewable they're helping to meet those targets and shell helps us to do our scheduling. >> i see. you mentioned in your testimony that the kilo watt per hour cost, i think it was in the san [inaudible] airport -- what is it for the user in that rin -- marin. 7.9. do you know the state wide? ours is 7.9 and pg and e is 9.3. >> you were saving the marin residents 7 cents per month. >> i think it's closer to 90

cents so it's less than an hour. >> it's not that hard to subtract. yeah, i can do the subtraction. >> so you allege. i'm astonished by the rights you're getting because i was with the governor of hawaii and he was saying their rates were 50 cents per kilo watts. >> they have an interesting rate. >> yeah, it's called monopoly. >> thank you so much and i wish you good luck in your work. >> commissioner vietor. >> there was a substitution clause. >> right now our power supply is 28%, california renewable portfolio standard and meeting rps. in addition to that we purchase an

additional 23% of unbundled renewable energy certificates so that gets us up to the 50% for our light green. we have that substitution clause and that's apart of the way we've been ramping down since our contract closes with them in 2017. >> you haven't shifted the rec mix but you've shifted the power providers for the moment so substitute the shell portion out? >> right. it's a work in progress as we prepare to close. >> do you plan to ramp out the rec amount or not yet? >> we have a resources plan that our board does every year and so we release that in september. i think september of every year, so we'll be doing that sement -- doing that in september of every year. any other questions.

>> i want to move to marin and sign up. >> is that your motion? >> can you stick around if we have more questions? >> oh, yes. of course. >> were you talking to me? >> yes. you got a directive from the general manager. >> yes, i will. >> how are you doing? >> good afternoon, my name is cordel and i have to correct barbara. i'm the deputy. i do not work for clean and power but i was involved in the formation of it. i'll get into that. and i'm going to skip through some of my slides because jaime covered them so well. so we are at project timeline. i want to give you an idea of how long it took us to get up and running and our steps. we started this project in march of 2011 when the water agency authorized the feasibility study. we directed them to be

as conservative as possible. we wanted to not to over promise what we can provide to our customers. we didn't want to get into a situation where we couldn't provide what we said we could. that was completed in 2011. we made outreach efforts to the commissioner and we provided commercial and resident surveys to see what the appetite. based on the surveys which were positive, we moved forward and formed a jpa in december of 2012. that jp -- that included the water agency, but it gave us some credibility when we went forward with trying to initiative a power supply contract. we went about it differently than marin did on the power contract. i'll get into that on the next slide, but we started with an rfp in february of

2013. the gpa and the financing for our program was finalized in july of 2013 and that's when the remainder of the city joined our program and we lined up a local bank for finances. service began in may of 2014. getting back to the supply contract, initially we sent out a request to power companies. we gave them our data what what we were expecting as far as power content and they said tell us what you can do. we got 15 or 16 different companies submitted on that rfi. based on the information received in that rfi which also included pricing, but also comments on our power purchase agreement and contractual. we got 12 serious respond ants and what that told

me at that time was that power companies were starting to take them seriously. other things were working back east and in the midwest and they're trying to break into california. they understand there's a monopoly here and they want to be competitive in california. after analyzing those 12 proposals we broke it down. >> mr. president. >> was shell apart of the 12? >> shell was apart of the 12. they were not short listed. >> what was the reason? >> mainly price. >> the other -- >> not the nature of the product. >> no, not the nature of the product. it was based on price but on some of the services they could provide us, the energy efficient program. >> why do you think that marin went with them and you didn't. >> i can't comment on marin's

process. jaime is here. she can answer that question. >> she wouldn't know what you went through. >> we were about four years behind. >> i'd like to tell a joke about marin. we have a friendly rivalry. >> tell a bunch. >> we have a friendly rivalry and we said they can do this and we said how hard can it be. >> but you make better beer in santa rosa. >> better wine too. >> i'll take jaime outback later. so we went to all the cities, as there was in marin and they had some cities and it's the same in samona county. clover dale is getting ready to bring this

before their council in july. the governance of our program is similar to marin clean energy. they appoint members to power authority. as i mentioned, we rolled up to 20,000 customers in may of 2013. our opt rate is 8.4 percent. we plan to roll out an additional 144 accounts in 2015 and any remaining cities that choose to join after that will roll out in 2016. so how we got this started financially? the water agency provided a speed loan. we covered the cost of the consultant, staff time, surveys and marketing and that sort of thing between march of 2011 and january of 2013. that's a loan that ended up being

$1.7 million and we'll get paid back with 3% interest on january 1st of 2015. the operating line of credit if -- the credit from where it left off is a $2.5 million operating loan from first community bank. that line of credit is guaranteed by the county of samona's treasury. the bridge loan which will pay power cost from the time we buy the power and the time we collect rates is also provided by first community bank and that's an unsecured loan. we have a 33% renewable base product which is called clean start. it's four or five percent below pg and e. it will remain that way through the end of this fiscal year. no, calendar year. and it's available to anyone in the participating cities. we also

have a 100% renewable and local product. we entered into a contract with pine kyle. it's maybe 20% more. that's available to anyone right now. we rolled out to 20,000 customers but if you want to sign up for the ever green product, you can do that. >> it's a sign up, not an opt out? >> it's a sign up program similar to marin clean up. our power sources, 33 percent renewable based on the portfolio standard. we have 37 hydro and 30 percent natural gas -- she messengered unspecified -- our board also designated no poll or power

mix. again, much like marin, we have basic comparisons of the commercial system. the numbers are obvious, four or five percent lower for our green start and for our ever green and the same for our residential system. we do have a net energy meter program and it's identical to marin and if you see something good, you copy it. so we did. it's a privilege of being second. we're in the process of putting in a feed and turf. our price is lower than marin. more like in the 10 and a half to 11 range to see what's out there and what people can do. we do have a power contract with

consolation energy. they were bidder out of our process. the energy we purchase from them drops down and we substitute that with other power contracts. i mentioned the power con track for cal pine, the ten megawatts growing to 18 megawatts over the next couple of years. we're expecting our 100 percent green program to grow and lead this 18 megawatts. we entered into a contract for 38 megawatts of power and that's in the central valley. that has been introduced into its 20 year fixed contract. we open proposals just a couple of weeks ago for 30 megawatts. we got very good results. we expect to are contracts by the end of this year and construction by the end of 2016. excuse me. and finally we've been working on a project of up to

20 megawatts at our local airport which is in environmental review. that's the end of my presentation. everybody has a website. lots of more information there and i'm happen tea to answer questions you have. >> commissioner vietor. >> do you have a local build out plan. >> we're working on that now. we spent time getting up and running. we expect to have a draft in august and a final by of the end of the year. >> that's the goal to have that be a key component of the program? >> yes. >> all right. torres. >> the airport is santa rosa airport. >> yes. >> what are the plans? >> directly adjacent is an abandoned land field and we're

going to put it there. >> they've been approached -- they've been working with marin on expansion. >> what about almeda county? they have designated $3 million in their budget to study cca. i've been having conversations and e-mail exchanges with them for the last couple of months, as i'm sure marin as well. >> there's already a conversion call lean. >> give me the acronym. >> local energy aggregation network. >> the director is a former board member of marin energy. >> they promotes -- >> that sounds like a trade organization. i was talking about pulling resources to maybe perhaps provide cheaper energy

to its residents. >> there's always that possibility. i understand some legislation is being worked out at the state senate that will preclude some of that from happening. more along the lines of counties working together but not beyond that. >> do you recall the legislation sponsoring? >> that's bradford. there's an organization called the north coast power authorization that the districts belong to and they act as a clearing house that they sell to their members. >> thank you. >> vice president caen. >> i understood that under cca the policy would always be opt out, but year saying you have a program that people can opt in? >> yes, when we roll out to a mass number of customers

that's an opt out program. that's our 33% renewable. if someone wants to go beyond that and pay extra for the 400%, they can do that just as they can choose to stay with pg and e. >> they're in the out? >> yes. >> thank you very much for being here today. >> thank you. >> congratulations. >> congratulations speaker: that was only one joke. anyone got one -- >> so with those great presentations and thank you very much to jaime and to cordel for staying, but what i sum advised is general topics for discussion and it draws out

what we have proposed through the clean power sf programming and what marine is offering and what samona clean power is operating out of. you heard differences in the energy supply mix and sources, the rate levels and options that are available to customers. customer base, we committed to rolling out just to residential, clearly both of these folks have covered the commercial initially. we had proposed for clean power sf, the 100 % renewal offering, you're hearing today about the two different tiers, the basic offering and the enhancing offering that both marin and samona offering and how that was offered without stepping down. we had some of that in our initial program design, but you heard some more innovations there as the

marketplace gets more comfortable with doing business with cca's. we had a strong built out goal. you're hearing marin has three years under their belt making progress and samona getting ready to do that and we've had dialogue about hechy supply and whether that can be apart of our program and of course time and process. i'm happy to give any feedback if there's any on these topics. >> manager kelly. one of the things that would be helpful to clarify, when we were formulating our program, one of the things we wanted to do was talk about 100% renewable, when ed harrington was

here, the talk was totally green and we went to the board and we talked about no recs because i think at the time pg and e had rec and he referred to it as [inaudible] on a pig. do you remember that dynamic but when pg and e offered their proposal, it was with their green turf, it was much lower and then everyone was concerned about we're offering something more expensive and people won't recognize or understand about rex so we started saying, let's look at introducing rex so i just wanted to be clear that one of the things that i'm hearing from both the programs is that they're not 100 %, you know, with rex 100%, they're offering 33% program, is that -- >> i heard marin say 33%, rps

compliant. >> 20% rts and compliant is 50%, general renewable is an option for 100 %. >> i'm pointing out that ours was different and that's one of the reasons why ours was more expensive. of course that was -- and then when we talked about built out, you know, everyone wanted built out from day one and so when we actually tried to exercise our program, i mean, we had a lot of bells and whistles and we were trying to dial it back, i think now hearing the approach that most -- both marin and samona is taking is a gradual approach and i think the approach is the cost, if you're going to opt out is cheaper than it would be if you were pg and e which is a

different approach we had before, so i wanted to point that out because we still had conversations within the group that i've been involved rex, no rex, 100%, not 100%. those are the conversations we would have to have and build out. do you want a day one? what is it exactly? how would that enter the whole equation and then the other thing is that, you know, we are not having to use shell and so that's something that we don't necessarily have to do, so i'm just saying that the landscape has changed. we don't need to have the $19.5 million of hetchy money for this new program and that's why we've been working with parties to see if we

were to do something depending on what options we felt that having the $4 million would be enough to start the program and then also if we're successful, we identify year two of the solar that it would be a good idea to, if we were to launch a cca program offer solar to the customers as a cca program, so that's where that 3 million of the 5 came from year two that added up to 7 million. i wanted to put everything in perspective. it's interesting where both these programs are, but i just wanted to just talk about the challenges of where we are or where we were and then how we move forward because these are still some choices that we would have to talk about to kind of get with the appetite of the commission and everybody

involved. the other thing that we were going to talk about is the legislation that wiener has approached as well with another factor that we're talking about. is that -- >> i'm happy to go there if you want to at this point or -- >> okay. anyway, maybe we'll pause right now and then if you have any other questions about the cca or if you want to hear that last before we dive into questions. >> i have a question. >> vice president caen. >> what is the working relationship with marin and pg and e? or is it just transmission. we have a good working relationship with them. we've been serving customers for four years and we work with them everyday. of course, we compete with them, but we also partner with them because we share customers and honestly it's in both of our best interest to have the best

customer service that we can provide. we work with them on all of the billing issues on a daily basis. they collect our charges for our customers and put them onto their bill and sometimes we even have joint presentations to customers in different communities that we go to together to talk about our programs and pg and e programs so i would say it's generally a good working relationship. >> okay. another question that you probably will laugh at me, but why don't they just do the same programs you do to get you out the picture? >> well, when we first were starting the cca program, we or when we were looking to do this, so before we had even formed our agency, pg and e knew what we were looking for which was more renewable energy and we asked them to be our

provider and we said could you sell energy to us and they weren't interested. the main reason that or one of the main reasons that they're not offering the same services that we're offering or that samona is offering because pg and e are required to offer all programs territory wise. if they're going to offer a 50% renewable option, they have to offer that to every single one of their customers which would be much -- it would be a much larger task than it would be for someone who is serving a much smaller community. >> so you're saying throughout the whole state speaker: they don't serve the entire state, but central coast, santa barbara all the way up. i'm not sure. yeah, the border. >> thank you. >> sure. >> i have a follow up question. i'm interested in how much

customer service questions actually go to the item on the bill that refers to mca, the generation portion? it seems like -- is it a lot of questions or concerns about that because most of it, people would just be concerned about service or their, you know, disconnected which it really belongs to pg and e. how much of that dialogue to the customers you would have to get involved in answering? >> we get a lot of questions from customers but on a variety of different topics. we have our phone number and website and contact information on the bill along side of our charges so if they do have questions, they can contact us. but you know, people usually -- when people contact us, they usually want to know what the cost of service is and about deep green. we don't get a lot of confusion

anymore about the bills because pg and e might have noticed on their bills, they have changed drastically last summer and as part that have pg and e redesign, we worked with them to try to make the bills easier to understand, but easier to tell the difference between why there was an mce charge and a pg and e charge and i think the steps that we took were actually productive and we get far less questions about the bills than we used to. i think also questions that you get about bills and mce in general or caa bills are going to depend on the outreach you do before a customer is enrolled