well like i said lighting our services in the best way that's one concern i can divining can get the information. >> i'll argue before this is before the gap is in place there is an opportunity by van this project we'll be better able to serve the location. >> can talk about the process you underwent. >> maybe i can ask one of my staff members of the details they've provided in the presentation the dates. >> i'm interested in the update that was in the previous plan. >> let me see if i have that. >> okay and i guess i'll have

to get back to you, we have sxeeven documentstion that that we provided to the federal transportation the number of community meetings i don't have that off the top of my head and unfortunately, the project manager is not available. >> no problem so the federal grant fund you've referenced in your presentation are those tied to a specific design or location. >> yes. specifically tied to this project. >> any flexibility. >> not - i guess it depends on and you mean in terms of design elements within what's been cleared through this process and the grant submission within those bonds there is but in terms of not doing the project or changing the project we secured those funds with the

specific scope of previously exhausted project in mind. >> in the previous project you talked about the benefits this will bring to the overall to system. will - but i think a lot of my comments are looking at the delays can you talk about that what would happen or not happen >> again having this loop and this kind of flexibility will only provide for improved services along the entire corridor for the higher frequency service but give us the flexibility to deal with various issues we have today on the t third to better serve the entire corridor so any flexibility will approve the

service we deliver. >> which t issues can we address i know that many we will be able to address. >> crowding issues and bunching issues the things i've laid out with the flexibility of the place to turn trains and redirection and make adjustment for service gaps those are things we generally lack. >> but the trains to redirect them into different parts of the system i'm concerned with the this accident occurred street corridor with the loops will they prevent that from happening or decrease the frequency of that happening. >> i think the overall loop frequency should decrease the need for unscheduled switch backs. as i've said near the beginning we'll be able to provide a

significantly increase of service for the entire t third corridor with this loop in place which should minimize, you know, my adverse service impacts the significant impacts to the entire third line >> okay. just a reminder we've got a 10 minute presentation but i'll give supervisor kim a moment to ask questions. >> i have a few clarifying questions so if we're constructing the loop this year i assume when will the loop start to be utilized? is that intended to be utilized with the opening of the central subway >> it will be available for service before the opening of the central subway right now the

central subway for 80 for completion of december and we'll be done that this project before that so we could start using that obviously as soon as it's done and some benefits occur immediately. >> the loop is to be constructed in the next year or construction is start. >> we haven't begun construction. >> you said parts of it were built. >> yeah. built when the light rail was done so we will be awarding a contract late summer or fall to complete that loop. i don't know offhand but the construction is in a year >> the tiger funding that's completing the construction when was that awarded. >> this was awarded in the summer of 2012. >> that's why we're on this

timeframe. >> yeah. i have it in my notes the grant expires at the end of 2018 we need to get the project built and closed out the contracts closed and the grant closed out by that time. >> if sfmta were to truly consider moving the loop down to 22nd street, i believe it's 22nd street what is that process looking at will i have this process for the bid then potentially have to go up for the grant again. >> yeah. we were going to do that we'll have to reject the grant and give back the money. >> can you explain why. >> if we were choosing not to build the loop the grant was specifically for this project we

can't say offer in terms we'll use this for somewhere else but building new rails is significant we'll have to go to the full planning design and environmental review process you, you know, generally it's in order of years so we wouldn't have this capacity it will delay us having this capacity presuming we have the capacity to do the environmental work we don't at the moment. >> looking at the numbers i agree with the density it is between chinatown and mariposa i think the numbers showcases that we recognize a lot of new development the issue more than the loop is really about the service right that's going to

impact no time katrero but the bayview we've had this conversation i cannot thrill the number of people not in our district they say they're trying to get off the train in mariposa and the terrain tushes around and i totally get we have limited resources and constraint but its not great that the residents have to wait for another train to take you all the way you down to the bayview neighborhoods i understand the construction of the loops but what e, we do to provide accurate service that's one the biggest challenges in the southeast it's connection to the public transit to the downtown neighborhood. >> no, i think you're absolutely right one of the

first things that was on my desk was from supervisor cohen and the mayor talking about the two line service theirs obey a been a number i have things we've done all the transit signal priority that holds the traffic signals for the trains were not operating properly we've made additions and enhancements to the signal priorities in cases we're preempting signals for the better flow of the trains and we've cut out a nov second detail anyone knows dollars painfully long waits in intersections so that's a fix

there's a number of steps we're already taken to improve the service and have the swish backs down very significantly reduced the switch backs we've heard from invokes that's a significant problem we've talked about the switch backs from the community members to get their feedback and get the communication so there are a lot of things that we're doing aside from the general light rail improvements such vehicle replacements that already i believe are starting to show improvements and will continue to do so, so this loop will enable us to step up a notch and better position us to better be able to increase the frequency for the entire length of the t

third, that will improve the service. >> how does the loop increase the service for the entire line. >> the additional vehicles will help with that and the loop helps us to insteven that. >> i think we have an be an issue less about the loop and more about the level of service to the katrero and dog patch so the bayview in particular are i went the 15 it doesn't seem like a great line then but it ran and it was fast the one thing about the t it looks nicer but so painfully slow it becomes an unreliable public transportation people don't want to take 45

minutes from the bayview to downtown that's a long time so we need to figure out the frequency of service interests going to be a lot of development so we want to insure those residents can take public transit and not drive to the do you only corridor. >> the right-of-way changes and the vehicle improvements are the past and the near term towards the increased frequency and better reliability. >> we've had it this conversation about the t line i think an argument can be made this is the most important public transit that needs to happen in san francisco given the level of improvements in the southeast and the warriors and so forth fourth and king i think that john worked hard to improve

that it's less problematic but still a problem i feel like when i'm on the t waiting to make that turn it just is painful. and there are times when i been down at pier 70s a few times lastly i've taken the 48 instead of the t because the 48 is faster so godspeed on making those changes it's really important >> maybe you can help us help you. what did you need from us to help us make the t line run more efficiently besides money >> its not about money but the continued investment and the focused repairs on the light rail vehicles to improve their

reliability is an important part of it we're systematically doing we're reare you aware our vehicle rehab to focus on the equipment we're investing our resources to repair the doors that led to the reliability issues we've addressed most of timing signals we're not - by also not seeking further opportunity for improvement we've done that and make sure we have enough operators trained so not having not enough operators and not having enough vehicles we did a 2 car service along the third streetcar corridor but we need the cars you appreciate the

offer i don't have anything outlining else off the top of my head but this is important for the support will be helpful but otherwise we're grateful for the interest and the improvement of light rail service. >> i do think the agencies on a good projector in terms of the vehicles rehabilitation has been helpful the fact we've got so if you light rail vehicles it was impossible to run two car trains it was embarrassing i know the agency has been working hard to turn that around and get more of the r vs in service it didn't help that they're designed challenged vehicles that

breakdown regardless of maintenance so it will be good had the next generation come and coincide with the opening of the subway we'll have double the number of the vehicles we have today. >> when the central subway opens we'll go from one hundred 51 to 175 whatever it 15 percent increase ultimately the contract we're going to bring to you will be up to two hundred and 40 or 60 vehicles a significant increase over what we have today a and more reliable vehicles that are manifest. >> this will link and delink at the west portal you have more lines and in terms of the operator shortage which i know is a challenge at the agency it

in progress in terms of having a change in bottle in the case. >> we're ramping up the training in the next month we'll be able to do on the bus side and the rail operators come from the bus side we'll be up to 40 percent classes every month that will be quadrupling of what we've done this year so we'll wee we've hired the trainers and starting in the next month we'll start to see the open run numbers come down as we get more bodies into the seats and supervisor cowen. yes, thank you director reiskin we have another presentation from

(calling names) are you ready bill >> i'd like to get this onto the - sfgovtv. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. thank you i'm bill schwartz and i'm a dog patch resident. i'd like to walk you through the neighborhood just to give you a sense of it in case you're not familiar at any rate this space google shot google earth shows the t line as it goes south i see those xs are showing the

stops the ball park is way in the right hand corner there. as it goes south the loop this is proposed is where the first red - this is where the loop comes >> unfortunately, the folks at home can't hear from you can't hear speak into the meekly. >> oh, i'm sorry. so this shows for example, the loop as property it shows the caltrain also in the red x above the the t line and shows the mariposa stop would be the last stop before the turn around and

this is the x just to the north of the turn around. so basically, the turn around would occur before dog patch. the red intended area is mission bay. to the south of that is dog patch. the next slide is this shows the development in dog patch which is tremendous it's a booming area with the call outs you see the forest city a thousand to 2 thousand units in the central middle and the lower left is 2 hundred and 59 new residential units. the lower right 76 those are all underdevelopment or planned. in the upper left is 3 hundred

and 35 new residential units o are a significant distance from the mariposa stop. the next slide is what we're suggesting and which is meeting h meeting resistance to move the loop to the south to the yard the muni yard which will make that possible to cover the dog patch area which has a growing business district and lots of new restaurants and all matter of business over there. so this will make sense to us. and the next slide if we could put the loop in the existing muni yard which by the way, has

a loop a built in loop right now. and that way we would be serving dog patch and at the same time we'll not be putting the loop into what has turned out to be a residential neighborhood it would be a nightmare for the residents there. with the ball park and the warriors stadium there's going to be major congestion in the area around 18 and 19 street and mariposa street. which if the streetcar or the t line comes down 18 street it is going to have to make 18 street a one-way street heading east that will mean that the traffic that is not going to get to 280

and it comes up 18 street will not be able to do that. and so it is just going to be a problem with the ball games are over. this is photographs currently after a ball game as the traffic comes down down illinois street and trying to get over to 280 if 18 street it not available because of the t line it is going to make a giant mess and cars are going to have to go around creation to get to 280 if they want to go north or south to mariposa street. that's a general picture of how we see it

>> any other presenters? >> good afternoon. i'm mike i own a unit 206 on southern illinois that was where the photo was taken from you see the traffic so this project as pointed out is a federal project and local project as a federal project you have the financing the need projects should have an environmental review and this resulted in the impact it's hard to imagine in 14 years there's no impact from then to now. i understand t the plans call for it but what's not anticipated is the growth if you look at the development you'll see you can see the growth

around dog patch and the new warrior is susht the project to a a legal challenge. it would be better to have an awe number analysis having not done that and avoided that process that could be avoided by looking at those alternatives that others have pointed out there's another one that is a mid ground maybe going down to 22nd street and do the same operation as on 18 and 19 you'll interfere with the loop you'll see the bus coming around the corner that's 1 short street and

it's not a wide street you see the tracks they're down he's correct you see the loop line rail and see cars sitting on the tracks okay. the cars are going towards the 280 and the muni coming into them that's an inherent conflict so imagine what this is like in the future gridlock that's mind you after a ball game it didn't happen all the time but having a game for baseball and basketball and other ethnic uses trying to get to the freeway you exacerbate the problem the muni director said they didn't analysis the cumulative impact of the warriors stadium but to borrow a phrase that engineers use it is

better to look at it a little bit more this project has been on the books for a while the funding i would think would be flexible enough it's okay if it's a anywhere shift to the south better ridership and help the 22nd corridor and help ridership it won't interfere with the muni it will stop that. thank you >> thank you very much. joel >> good afternoon my name is dave i'm an attorney practicing land use and environmental law i appreciate thank you for the opportunity to speak and urge you to require that there be an environmental study that is current and complies with the california quality act before

committing any further work in this location. we don't question the benefits of the project we don't question the intentions of staff to improve service on the t line rail but we do question the wisdom and the legal outlet in allowing the work to continue on a project that is 16 years old in terms of environmental review and closing our easy to the changes that are in the community and the project area. the transportation director began by arguing with supervisor cohen that there have been a lot of changes in the southeast part of the city but precluded by saying quote nothing has changed in terms of environmental paperwork the latter statement is correct the environmental study has not been updated. i've heard the supervisor

request whether or not the updated environmental assessment done in 2013 addressed the feasibility of using the existing maintenance yard the response was it did here it is 11 lines of text. basically, it says the suggested locations was the muni meta block from the t line and that facility didn't have the infrastructure for the revenue service turn around no place in san francisco has an existing structure it has to be built someplace in the yard as the prior speaker pointed out. the problem essentially there's history that is a big part of the presentation and interests federal transportation brutal momentum but it's not been given

fair-minded clear look since 1998 and even there was no project alternative resisted so the choice to build is at this location or not at all this is not how sequa works there's the federal grant tied to this didn't excuse us to close our eyes to the environmental review and look at a provider that will give us a 4 point plus million dollars bans a 16 years old environmental review impact report i doubt the city would bite nor would i be legally commit to do so. none of the environmental review deals with