a and more reliable vehicles that are manifest. >> this will link and delink at the west portal you have more lines and in terms of the operator shortage which i know is a challenge at the agency it in progress in terms of having a change in bottle in the case. >> we're ramping up the training in the next month we'll be able to do on the bus side and the rail operators come from the bus side we'll be up to 40 percent classes every month that will be quadrupling of what we've done this year so we'll wee we've hired the trainers and starting in the next month we'll start to see the open run

numbers come down as we get more bodies into the seats and supervisor cowen. yes, thank you director reiskin we have another presentation from (calling names) are you ready bill >> i'd like to get this onto the - sfgovtv. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> good afternoon. thank you i'm bill schwartz and i'm a dog patch resident. i'd like to walk you through the

neighborhood just to give you a sense of it in case you're not familiar at any rate this space google shot google earth shows the t line as it goes south i see those xs are showing the stops the ball park is way in the right hand corner there. as it goes south the loop this is proposed is where the first red - this is where the loop comes >> unfortunately, the folks at home can't hear from you can't hear speak into the meekly. >> oh, i'm sorry. so this shows for example, the

loop as property it shows the caltrain also in the red x above the the t line and shows the mariposa stop would be the last stop before the turn around and this is the x just to the north of the turn around. so basically, the turn around would occur before dog patch. the red intended area is mission bay. to the south of that is dog patch. the next slide is this shows the development in dog patch which is tremendous it's a booming area with the call outs you see the forest city a thousand to 2

thousand units in the central middle and the lower left is 2 hundred and 59 new residential units. the lower right 76 those are all underdevelopment or planned. in the upper left is 3 hundred and 35 new residential units o are a significant distance from the mariposa stop. the next slide is what we're suggesting and which is meeting h meeting resistance to move the loop to the south to the yard the muni yard which will make that possible to cover the dog patch area which has a growing business district and lots of

new restaurants and all matter of business over there. so this will make sense to us. and the next slide if we could put the loop in the existing muni yard which by the way, has a loop a built in loop right now. and that way we would be serving dog patch and at the same time we'll not be putting the loop into what has turned out to be a residential neighborhood it would be a nightmare for the residents there. with the ball park and the warriors stadium there's going to be major congestion in the area around 18 and 19 street and

mariposa street. which if the streetcar or the t line comes down 18 street it is going to have to make 18 street a one-way street heading east that will mean that the traffic that is not going to get to 280 and it comes up 18 street will not be able to do that. and so it is just going to be a problem with the ball games are over. this is photographs currently after a ball game as the traffic comes down down illinois street and trying to get over to 280 if 18 street it not available because of the t line it is going to make a giant mess and cars are going to have to go

around creation to get to 280 if they want to go north or south to mariposa street. that's a general picture of how we see it >> any other presenters? >> good afternoon. i'm mike i own a unit 206 on southern illinois that was where the photo was taken from you see the traffic so this project as pointed out is a federal project and local project as a federal project you have the financing the need projects should have an environmental review and this resulted in the impact it's hard

to imagine in 14 years there's no impact from then to now. i understand t the plans call for it but what's not anticipated is the growth if you look at the development you'll see you can see the growth around dog patch and the new warrior is susht the project to a a legal challenge. it would be better to have an awe number analysis having not done that and avoided that process that could be avoided by looking at those alternatives that others have pointed out there's another one that is a mid ground maybe going down to

22nd street and do the same operation as on 18 and 19 you'll interfere with the loop you'll see the bus coming around the corner that's 1 short street and it's not a wide street you see the tracks they're down he's correct you see the loop line rail and see cars sitting on the tracks okay. the cars are going towards the 280 and the muni coming into them that's an inherent conflict so imagine what this is like in the future gridlock that's mind you after a ball game it didn't happen all the time but having a game for

baseball and basketball and other ethnic uses trying to get to the freeway you exacerbate the problem the muni director said they didn't analysis the cumulative impact of the warriors stadium but to borrow a phrase that engineers use it is better to look at it a little bit more this project has been on the books for a while the funding i would think would be flexible enough it's okay if it's a anywhere shift to the south better ridership and help the 22nd corridor and help ridership it won't interfere with the muni it will stop that. thank you >> thank you very much. joel >> good afternoon my name is

dave i'm an attorney practicing land use and environmental law i appreciate thank you for the opportunity to speak and urge you to require that there be an environmental study that is current and complies with the california quality act before committing any further work in this location. we don't question the benefits of the project we don't question the intentions of staff to improve service on the t line rail but we do question the wisdom and the legal outlet in allowing the work to continue on a project that is 16 years old in terms of environmental review and closing our easy to the changes that are in the community and the project area. the transportation director began by arguing with supervisor cohen that there have been a lot of changes in the southeast part

of the city but precluded by saying quote nothing has changed in terms of environmental paperwork the latter statement is correct the environmental study has not been updated. i've heard the supervisor request whether or not the updated environmental assessment done in 2013 addressed the feasibility of using the existing maintenance yard the response was it did here it is 11 lines of text. basically, it says the suggested locations was the muni meta block from the t line and that facility didn't have the infrastructure for the revenue service turn around no place in

san francisco has an existing structure it has to be built someplace in the yard as the prior speaker pointed out. the problem essentially there's history that is a big part of the presentation and interests federal transportation brutal momentum but it's not been given fair-minded clear look since 1998 and even there was no project alternative resisted so the choice to build is at this location or not at all this is not how sequa works there's the federal grant tied to this didn't excuse us to close our eyes to the environmental review and look at a provider that will give us a 4 point plus million

dollars bans a 16 years old environmental review impact report i doubt the city would bite nor would i be legally commit to do so. none of the environmental review deals with the current centers and at least 2 of the buildings on 18 street were not in existence which the environmental review studies were done in 1998 there's no noise study there's no vanilla traffic analysis that shows the already existing traffic that's changed in that area in which is unlikely not going to get better. the suggestion that we should go ahead and rush and install the permanent rail line and hope we can prude the warriors to accept

that is backwards. it's an expensive piece of infrastructure and wherever it going the city should be convinced it's in the best place and is the most environmentally sensitive sequa self-is it will cost more to move it to the transit line cost deferral is not an alternative in which site has the best environmental impact if there's less used streets streets that seniors have less impact to - those need to be considered before we commit to completing this project that's a good question i think you've asked excellent

questions of the staff i don't think in their hearts they can say they've got a proposed location weighed against other locations the fact that the federal money is tied to this location based on decisions in 1998 shouldn't guide our decisions otherwise we'll be looking at the embarcadero freeway it's imincumbent upon the staff to acknowledge the correct environmental analysis ideally this would be been done green before 2012 they didn't update the environmental impact again, it's cart about the horse i appreciate you giving us a chance to raise those issue >> thank you for your

thoughtful comments. >> i'm joel dean a resident of the dog patch area and a rider of the t line. i think it's an effort that are occurring throughout the system most of us understand as well as the sdiesh ability of the turn around loop the issue is the location of that loop. the reaction of the eastern neighborhoods most effected by this current proposal is universally negative for well over a year there are numerous arguments against the proposal individual residents, businesses owns and the dog patch association and homeowners association have provided comments in opposition. those organizations and individual have put forth when i think is a logical argument for using metro east facility as a

turn around. this facility already has in the ground two sets of tracks they're in place and unlike the proposal that only turns around to the north those tracks are both north and south. there's a repair facility for disabled trains and an area for driver relief and it is only 6 blocks south from the present proposed loop. muni metro east landlord exists that's a far superior option and using this existing facility would solve almost all the issues that have been articulated against the current loop proposal. the mta has responded to all written comments in form but we don't feel they've responded

appropriately in substance they've mind e made up their mind and don't appear to seriously consider the eastern neighborhoods. if they have given serious consideration for the metro east facility for the turn around atheism not disclosed that information for public scrutiny we ask for a serious considerable public study be done for the muni metro east as the turn around facility thank you very much >> thank you. >> mr. reiskin i have a few comes. in the picture that bill and mike referenced they've talked about the cars on the track for illinois student i was wondering is this going to change or will

there be cars on at grade on the tracks? >> so the loop. >> yeah. >> the loop goes over to illinois and it will be a muni right-of-way like any other muni right-of-way is your question can cars still access that portions. >> i want to know if you're going to be pitting in an obstruction so cars can't drive on the tracks. >> no, i building it's a shared trait automobile way. >> so like when you think about third streets there are certain parts of the t line that has a designated part of the track then the track goes at grade where cars can cross in front of the trains that causes a delay in service is there a preventive

measure something at this particular corner to prohibit cars to drive on the rail it sounds like after there is some kind of activity it will be will congestion. i can on imagine it trains and cars colliding at some parts in third and 11 we have a lot of we've had several collisions for cars trying to make a left hand turn i'm concerned about the cars and rails operating in the same space >> so generally speaking from our trains prospective to provide a dedicated right-of-way for muni light rails in the urban environment it's not also

possible there's not space on the illinois right-of-way for a dedicated muni facility because i think there is only room for one lane that prohibits all traffic from southbound illinois if i'm remembering the design correct. so the vehicles if that's the case the vehicles will have to share as many parts of the city. in terms of special events lib we do today there's traffic controls we put in place to general traffic controls in front of or front of the ball park we shut down the street to prioritize the traffic movements whether or not the loop or warriors we have a management system in place like we do today

so it could be a traffic control officer on illinois for example, we'll percentage that the way we do today >> all right. thank you very much we're going to go into public comment madam chair mr. mr. chair if you don't mind. >> okay. we've opening open this up for public comment we have 5 public comment cards (calling names) richard weiner that's my father's name as well (calling names). >> thank you. the committee for letting me voice my opinion imi

will want to talk about the technical presentations i can the t line from mariposa to embarcadero and this proposed line you've brought up are disconcerting i appreciate the intent to increase ridership i go from 10 authorize in the morning i board at mariposa so ridership coming from south of mariposa is dramatically increased in the last 3 years and similarly on the return trip it intermitted out for riders and now it's full to mariposa and south beyond that i know the proposed will increase the number of the railcars that will accommodate the growing ridership south of the given turn around. secondly, since 2002 there are 0

over one hundred and thirty residents directly from where it is proposed and none were there so those are developments off illinois that's been referred to and a new project with over one hundred units this will inject the egress from the garages one is on 18 street effecting over one hundred and 20 unit and this is all right. difficult finally, the noise and vibration as it crows over 18 is important it's life in a growing city but the trade off is one of peace and quiet so with the windows closed its sometimes hard to hear the television or talk on the phone

it proposed a less of an impact on businesses in the neighborhood >> thank you. next speaker. >> richard weiner i'm a dog patch resident. i urge you to put the loop in the right place by ending the loop at mariposa your denying increased services to all the businesses on 23rd and 22nd street pier 70 hopefully will be use there no service there people have to walk to 22nd or mariposa the station on 22nd and pennsylvania nothing happening now its very, very busy and again those folks have to walk all the way back to 22nd and 23rd street instead of having the t line loop at 22nd or meeting metro east.

there's another thousand unit being planned and lastly the block between illinois and 18 and 19 has heavy trucks and cars and two bike lanes you're going to add a big muni strtd streetcar you've begging for bikes to get hit and all kinds of things. there's no stop plan for this loop not at 19 and illinois or 19 and third so in conclusion i urge you to please put the loop in the right place it's the right thing to do >> is there any further public comment yes, please come down. >> the mission bay loop project was comboild a decade ago

because of the rapid growth new condos and dog patch as well as the combination of dmu new condominiums and higher observecy and the shipyard project the bayview is not efficient. the existing levels of muni service has not kept up with bayview so the residents face long waits and you're thinking about/arthur a turn around will help to parking meter with the limited trains and operators. we've been told this will mitigate the harm of the turn around we're aware of the ebb and flow of the muni's budget this is a permanent infrastructure but the additional trains and operator that are required may come and go. forcing for this reason he think

that any turn around around caesar chavez that will guarantee the targeted level services to the trains at the end of the line will be filled first and the trains added optional whether the loop trains are provided >> thank you. next speaker. >> thank you. i'm andrea i'm a resident and homeowner in the bayview my stop a close to the he is not talking about of the line. he know how frustrating it is to wait for muni but accountabilities face getting 2ku78d off the train before they're half way home i have been dumped off at the dog patch before my end and i want to see

a guarantee that whether happens that trains that go to the end of the lines are increased and i ask as you consider transit related decisions in the southeast sector you don't sacrifice the trains that go to the end of the line >> thank you - actually since you presented. >> you've been patient i wanted to ask i submitted a letter for review be part of the record. >> yes. we'll make sure that happens. is there any additional public comment seeing none, public comment is closed supervisor cohen >> we have the letter it's not record ius