it's okay to put in a revolutionary store it's a suby has starbucks done anything though the not a chance if you look at nairz guarantee that was a cosmetics line you could buy that in department stores and it doesn't mean it's owned by one of the large luxury houses. that's across the line and to say that those are not formula retail when, in fact, those are new openings of combiblts that that demonstrated their primer business is formula retail to ignore the very real realtime

they're not going to open it in that name but many, many look alike stores we need to look at those who sneak that when, in fact, the entire evidence based on the corporate they're going to be a chain and the presumption of the chains rather than than the proprietorship. is there any additional public comment oak seeing none, public comment is closed. public comment is closed. i want to thank the staff for their hard work it sound our skuven work there's been a lot of work from supervisor mar's office but the remaining issues

we'll be discussing tonight >> commissioner antonini. >> thank you all for your comments. a few reflections and number of speakers brought up the fact they have trouble with competition from online that's the real enemy for small businesses much more man the formula retail the big choice is whether someone gets out of their study to do their shopping or from home and in many instances there's benefits from formula retail to bring people out for the priorities or that item they feel they can purchase here and possibly go to the independents if they don't leave

the computer you're not going to see them and is economic benefits memories by ted egging on formula retail provides given the same exact item for people on limited income is important and people with e tentative income we're not here to argue if i'm not mistaken and its unique we're probably the only city over 2 hundred and 50 that has formula retail policies so it's important to get it right for the citizens and not stiffly business in san francisco there

neighborhoods alluded to by supervisor mar he talked about the ocean boulevard koerd corridor they want to have formula retail that will enlighten that area when people see a familiar spot like a starbucks they may stop but if anyone else close to satisfy their needs they'll innovate stop the car. let me talk about the ordinance i favor without question i favor the staffs position one of the things they did on the large-scale economic report that makes sense because as was pointed out the trying to have a smaller an connective report on a smaller impact something under one hundred thousand square feet or something like that is probably not realistic by it's

under 50 thousand square feet if that's in commercial neighborhood and over one hundred owe 20 thousand if c-3 that's a good level you'll had had leakage studies that's a business we lists from san francisco because we don't have the formula retail or whatever the particular store needs so they go to san mateo county as i did having to get home supplies from home depot or go to three or four retail stores. the next thing was the and i athletic compatibility he hope we're using this on all businesses what's good are for

the argues is good for the garden we should have the same and i athletic concerns about signage and the design of the building which was well done because i don't think you having, have sdrirm try procedures i hope you'll have ugly independent stores and you don't want to walk inside so we have to make that more of a common something standards for everyone. i like the idea if increase no densification of a formula retail you'll not have to go through hearing they're time consuming and expensive it's

hurting the city and county of san francisco not only for the formula retail and the change between a walgreens or is another formula retail pharmacy, you know, in the size is the same it didn't makes up to have another hearing although staff made it clear with the chart. the area on market street from 6 to 12 i agree with the urban solution was concerned about this formula retail because we're having a hard time developing that area over the last thirty years and we don't want to make it difficult for formula retail although i think if we do it in a incentive way and air to the side of approval it would be good to get someone

in there the area niece the best the cvs pharmacy has done a good thing with the building so the building is cleaned up, too. the issue of geography and he support of the increased to over 19 because what your capturing is less than 5 percent and generally, if there's is - one of the reasons for formula retail we don't want everyone or everything to look like every place else and if they're out let's their in this case in coming to san francisco and oftentimes that will be somebody we'll last week to have here and attract them to san francisco.

so i think that what was often brought up the smaller san francisco-based companies that have their starts and as they grow they come from the hammer of formula retail controls and not only expensive by discouraging something from growing especially what they're coming from here it brings money into the san francisco economy not only in san francisco but other parts of the bay area the state the united states and the world and all that revenue flows into their headquarters in san francisco so we should be encouraging and not discouraging. the issue of subsidize it's been studied it's worthy to study but

at this point it's hard to do the example showed an owner of a number of different restaurants i did not even know we owned all those restaurants the fact that he had super duper burgers and very soon have over 11 or 20 we're combining his assets over 20 i can regulate the use but not the yourself something could have a clothing store along with restaurant and, you know, you're not trying to regulate him as and person by a rather you're trying to regulate the particular entities and which they get to the size their disdisruptive they've over 21 so we're not worried about a person

having enterprises within san francisco that's a good policy for now and i'm not quite sure on little atms they're still being maybe ms. burns you have answer what's happening it's confusing some of them, no long-range needs cruz >> for formula retail we'll treat atm as formula retail except for ones that are visible from the street and permit 1 at the street front that we've developed specific ones and all atms are required to be recessed from the property line or require a crusoe we're removing that requirement overall for all formula retail and non-formula

retail lock up facilities. >> so tests being hoepd he would say to the same standards. it sounds like it's crafted well, some can be ugly. so generally i'm in favor of the staff proposal which is very carefully contrasted test unlike some xhmsz it's a intensification of our formula retail controls and almost every way it's added a lot more controls worldwide a so the only one's that's been changed is the number for the firms we're not

trying to regulate firms that have under 20 outlets. commissioner johnson >> thank you very much and bless all the hearts of the staff and everybody in the audience that is here and a public service announcement i feel the clock on my leg now. it's painful the point i'm going to try to keep it brief but the point of having this part of the hearing is to get ideas there the consortiums of the different changes so i'll go quickly one thing i've noticed for the formula retail intensification criteria one of them being a chain. >> to a larger chain, i think maybe this is one where the

sever ability clause works it didn't work if you allow for the review of subries and that review starts to not work i'm trying to say if you're looking at a chain of formula retail and you're trying to determine whether or not it's intensification because it's a larger chain you have to look at the sub sisters and that's different to do on an ongoing bays basis so i said think i guess because we have the clause but think carefully how the criteria enter seconds with potential negotiations where we'll end up with a suby requirement the staff talks

about the proposal and pervisor mar's has negotiation there would have f that off the bat looking at subsidize and that's one i could propose a lot of issues the next one talking about permitted versus open outlets you can have the permit locations i guess we're going to exude lease holds it's difficult to determine that that versus what is open that's how i count it. i think that one while it makes sense again, it will possess potential issues particularly when it comes to looking forward and that's the case that's what we're doing when it comes to the commission i anticipate that the commission will end up looking

at a lot of special use cases because you think about permit locations an easy example you have a permit location like a lot and you're planning to open a formula retail there and then you have not done it yet but across denouncing town you're going to open another one in the future there will be two locations i get the logic but more likely you're going to have permits pulled from land control where the reason it's not there is there's an issue that won't be resolved in the future so it won't be what it might come to the committee that's much nor common than formula retail companies that are in that

category or approaching that category going to the blitz of opening companies that's less common and for whatever reason when they have land control it's not working out but figuring out their strategy and we're counting it against them it's not easy to get out of a land controlled lot they've picked up in the past and fresh and easy they're going through a bankruptcy they're going to operate as a business. the next one is i know when we talk about the formula retail and talk about the sameness one of the things we're thinking about is brand recognize; right? so formula retail that's kind of what they do they have a brand

you recognize. and i think getting to i think we should try to kind of stay where we are with that terms of home national and i go back to there's a public comment i definitely agree with on the trend of, you know, intrenth being a big competitor to formula retail to small businesses there's an internet before that happened opening brick and mortar because it drives people to their website one example one business sells make up but the brabdz they're getting recognize and if that were to come to san francisco right now they have only one store their online. so if we're trying to strengthen

controls around not having home donate we can get into a slippery slope with loopholes i spopt what we're doing now and not trying to twist our minds around this. next one the design based criteria. ? a comment on this one one of the things about the aesthetics and design was around transparency on the store front a comment on the document itself. i would look at that language i feel as to i get the transparent put the eyes-only the street it allows the pedestrians to see inside the store into the internal of the building but provide visible clustered where

you have commercial sdrekts where you have multiple units of retail they all have the transparent i think 70 percent of it being glass that would be visual cluster as having signs just something to think about particularly that's performance based criteria maybe changing the percentage of or the last couple of things. oh, yes. last medical cannabis on neighborhood uniqueness. i think i just want to put into people's minds san francisco is also a city of neighborhoods that are developing right now and growing. so the educateness is something

to be determined in the future. and what they will, in a lot of those neighbors in san francisco that are a lot right now so we should think about how formula retail can be used to be place making in place of having a character that goes back generations. i think of the southeast neighborhood and the other neighborhoods that are changing so just a comment and i hope that's helpful in looking at the planning department proposal >> commissioner hillis. >> thank you all. for this. i'm tired. (laughter) first of all, we should congratulate ourselves on the

comments and letters whether we disagree on the tweaks i believe their tweaks people say it's a successful 10 year of success teets grourng i'm surprised more cities haven't copied what we've done even though their under 2 hundred thousand people the first time in new york it was kind of like an outdoor mall and formula retails are looking for interesting places to go beyond the mall to neighborhoods i think we see that in neighborhoods it is important to more so, now than ever to protect the diversities and the authenticity of our neighborhoods. i think i'm overwhelm seeing

this is strengthening the controls i wouldn't support it if it wasn't i was on the end of voting on the formula retail coming into the city's and many of them filling the room with hours of testimony i'm glad we're looking at the professional services that have the same impacts that a starbucks don't or what a typical formula retail does this question of 11 to 19 i know a lot of folks have focused on that but if you look back i was talking to some folks back stage we've had 2 in 10 years between 11 and 20 so if the number was 20 textbook years ago when we pass this alleviation we've not

had two hearings we approved the slaipd so we like to focus on the difference and we're doubling this but it's really not a major impact from 11 to 20 pr i mean, i'm supportive of that many people have been to the hearings especially the neighborhood advocates we're talking about starbucks or pet food express on lombard but a lot of people are not here it's only one guy sitting here all day and nobody is here or opposed to it i think particle that's a formula retail selecting the right place and some of them i did not know what we were formula retail. again i don't think those are big changes and i'm supportive of the planning department's recommendations on is 11 to 19.

he think economic impact studies are dangerous we saw ted's report on formula retail generally and it's leaving a lot of questions unanswered donates a bigger issue not having the impact studies unless it's a big retail space and their somewhat suspect. so i think i generally agree with the planning department's recommendatio recommendations. on the question of intensification to both the supervisor mar's and the planning department >> you're right i didn't call that out that's different in ours. >> the way you defined it we'll

get everybody so why not stick with the way it is so i think on that one he i go back and require a cu because starbucks could go to pete's they're that's smaller they call it a frap confine but i would want to look at pete's so on the intensification i'll go to supervisor mar's. the the suby question we're puncturing but i agree with paul wormer it smells like a chain one of the chains it's like a

evolution cafe i think we need to look at subries and have that part of the legislation at some point but to be clear neither supervisor mar's or the plants recommendation make changes to subries their needed but we need to look at that we see the real examples of things that look like formula retail >> sure to be clear for the public supervisor mar's proposal clifford the regulations for subries but buildings there's not a right solution that's why he asked the committee to study that. >> on the sever ability clause i'd take that out how unbalanced this is supposed to be balanced

but i think if we they punted on the 11 if someone changed the voter to 20 and stopped and 11 it's not a huge impact i agree with market street and the worldwide chains so i'd take that out arrest commissioner fong. >> thank you. i want to start by thaipg the staff and oewd for spending a year time in studying this we were all part of that conversation it got xhufz and we basically called for a time out. the data, of course, you can august a use in the amount of intensity that went into the study i agree with director ram for the most part is sort of worked the process we've had so

far and this commission has spent time and energy on the small formula retail and it's important we acknowledge that and i think all of us building that protecting the neighborhood commercial district is the most important thing i want to point out the signage guideline it's important that a lot of us part of our reaction is how the chains appear on the street and how they fit into the architecture and lighting coloration so i change this commission to use the guideline i think it's helpful and we're seeing chains the evolution is maybe a reaction from some of the complains we're seeing the pitting down another starbucks

is not going to work and san francisco is on the kelly whitcraft of pitting restrictions and push the change and have dialog about how to make themselves unique. i'm supportive of the staffs proposal your last comment about dropping of the enforcement is interesting. sever ability sorry. was interesting and we'll see what the other commissioners say >> the sever ability is not going anywhere with me. that's a non-start is increasing 11 up is a non-starter the consideration of the mid-market should be rethought i think the action is going to be on mission street take a look at that and talk about to the