attract for verm in only those with shut off nozzles should be used and for the least amount of time needed. and in the recognition, and that and the challenging environment there are situations where you really do need to use water as the cleaning agent as the last resort to effect clean up. >> and the regulation ts also required that the agencies implement all requirements and actions of the stage which the water storage plan that imposes mandatory restrictions of the landscapes or turf and requires reporting by the retail agencies on their usage on the monthly basis. >> so we talked about it exactly, how we will implement those. and we will cover both of those aspects, first the outdoor irrigation and, then secondly the water waste, and the education and enforcement program. >> and on the proposed mandatory ten percent reduction

for landscape and turf all customers are required to reduce outdoor irrigation by ten percent and the reduction does not apply to edible food gardens, this made it clear that they did not want to interfere for the gardening, for food, and it is just about orn mental. and 1600 on the retail side are dedicated irrigation accounts will be assigning those and wateral locations based on the 2013 base line and half of those accounts are city/department accounts, and rec and park primarily, and the irrigation customers will be notified, to a letter, about the water allocation and the process of achieving the ten percent reduction and no water charges will be assessed until the end of the year and people can balance out over the year between months and for other retail customers, we will be notified regularly through the

messages that they need to reduce the irrigation outdoors. and we will be talking about the excess use charges at the august 26th meeting and our current proposal that we are considering is that any excess water use, above the total allegation, from september to june will be charged two times the water rate that is what we did in the last big drought was if you used excessive water above your allegation, for controlled purpose, that you would have to pay double the cost for those units of water. >> we water set up. and that the charges and base line, can be appealed through the administrative process, here. and again, the irrigation accounts we don't know exactly what they are irrigating out there right now and so if someone is irrigating, fruit trees, for example, they can come and make their case that is what i am irrigating and so i need an exception and that will be heard on a case by case basis. >> and our wholesale customers

are responsible for developing their own retail compliance plans and we will be offering to provide assistance to them if they need it. but they all have some of the ordinances that they have to deal with in their system and so that is how we plan to deal with the ten percent mandatory reduction in irrigation in the landscape and turf at this point in time, are there any questions on that aspect of it? >> commissioner torres? >> yes. when you say ten percent, you mean ten percent across the board percuss customer? >> correct. >> you measure my flow of water that i use in my home in san francisco, in january and then based on that number you will see whether i have increased or reduced? is that how you are going to measure it? >> if you have an irrigation only account. >> these are for irrigation only accounts? >> yeah. this is for irrigation and so for a normal customer, you are

a normal customer. we can't differentiate, so there is no good way to measure that reduction. we think that actually it will be any real savings that we will achieve will be in the irrigation only acounts and so that is why we are going to focus our effort there. we will inform you that you should reduce it by ten percent but we will leave that to you as to how to accomplish that. >> as a home owner. >> will you measure that amount as a home owner month to month? >> no, we will not. >> how will you know if i have exceeded it or not? >> we will not know, but we will snow if we achieve the over all savings that we are trying to achieve. >> you are going to rely on the faith of the home owners that do not have a irrigation account to reduce. >> we assume for waste water purposes, that ten percent of your water usage ss a home owner is for irrigation, which is actually given the 49 gallons per capita per day that is a really small amount of water and it is not worth the

time to actually chase down more without having to rely on, your good intentions. >> the pay out there. >> and it will continue to be there. >> 1600 dedicated irrigation accounts that is what we have here in san francisco. >> that is correct. >> it is conceivable that all 1600 might want to appeal? >> it is conceivable. although, that we know that like we said at least half of those are municipal accounts which are for irrigation of outdoor spaces. they are mediums. >> are we establishing a irrigation account court? >> well, in effect, the irrigation account accounting system where we are laying that out. >> and you come back to that irrigation account holder and say, you have exceeded it by ten percent and that irrigation account holder says that i want to appeal. >> they could say that, that is correct. >> and what happens with whom does that irrigation account holder, submit the appeal to? >> well, we have instructions

that process specifically, but we will submit it to the puc, and maybe, directed to the general manager who will identify, the staff to actually hear the appeal. >> and the judge kelley, irrigation court. >> yes. if i were the general manager. >> so, i just came from... >> yeah. >> the general manager. >> congratulations, yeah. >> and first thing that i ask is that a person, is rather, misuser of the water, and but, i think that we are talking about the process, that we are talking to the controller's office to ask someone who is a third party. >> yeah. >> actually this is on the irrigation side, and as opposed to the water waste side. >> okay. >> so, what they... and i have an irrigation account. because i have fruit trees on my property. >> i do not. but using an example. does that mean if i exceeded ten percent i could come and submit an appeal to you saying that i need it for my

irrigation that is why i exceeded the ten percent? >> yeah, because it is, it goes and applies to oern mental landscape and turf, if you are irrigating fruit or tomatoes bushes or things that are used for food, that you would be exempt from that. and so, even though is waiting until, you know, we started to tell you that you are using above, just notifying you that you have that possibility someone notifies us right away. >> how does one apply for an irrigation account? >> it is one of our possible mechanisms in the puc, and it usually is to deal with people who don't, and have a high water usage which goes to irrigation that does not end up in the suer system and so it saves them a lot on the sewer bill. >> this is not like nurseris that we have in the city limits? >> yeah, those might be irrigation accounts, yeah. >> okay. >> and if they agree with your determination, they can appeal with that decision. >> half of them are city

departments, rec and park, medians and dpw irrigate and those are all irrigation accounts. >> that is a big bureaucratic nightmare, isn't it? >> well, we are staffing up to make sure that we can deal with it, 1600 is not a large number and we have looked at different ways to approach this and there are other ways and this one appeared to be the most sensible and effective at getting at the highest water users for the least effort. >> that will be putting in a mailing in the next billing cycle. >> yes. >> so that the people know how to deal with their issues? >> yes. >> thank you. >> any other questions on the irrigation? >> we will move to enforcement and here we are going to focus on education and notification, and the point is to get the people to not waste water, it is not to collect money, it is to not to waste water and, to

be reserved only for the severe and repeated water waste activities and we actually expect to have the parallel efforts to record the safers out there and the people that are doing an extra good job in their water use and so the process that we expect to follow, will vary based on the severity of the water waste, and one of the things that we will do is we will make sure that all water waste is reported through 311, which is basically our public works, way of tracking all kinds of complaints and issues and the special category for the water waste complaints in the 311 system and the first notification is that we would give them a cursecy level, or, the resident, if this is what the addresses are different and just putting them on notice that gosh, somebody said that you were wasting water and we hope that is not the case and please contact us if you need

any help. if i second come nms, we will send someone out there to document the water waste that might be occurring, and the third notification is that we will out there to look at the circumstances and fully understood them and well it will be placing the door hanger that we found, and coming toelgt and the people can't throw those away as junk mail and have to open the door and so they see the door hanger and deal with that and again, you need to take some action here and we are here to help. and but, you need to stop wasting water and then, the final action, could result in the citation, which we can do by the mail and in person to the people and hopefully we all will have to actually issue the citations and that is certainly our intent. and so the citation process itself, and again, they can be issued under the existing san francisco administrative code but only for the over water prohibs that we talked about earlier, and the code to actually provide for the starting of the amount of 100 dollars per violation, and you

know, the code is clear that the evidence and documentation, are required to actually, support any citations and it will have to be approved by the general manager, and that is where there is actually appeals process, set up through the city controller's office, for anybody who wants to contest, citations. and so, there is a process, and there is a tool, and we are prepared to use it if we have to, but education, and education, education, and we think that it is the real solution to controlling the water of the waste. and we actually already had a letter go out to somebody about this, and he called, and said, well, yeah, but i have market, and i need to be using the water to clean up and i have put it in the public health and safety exemption and you cannot leave the food to accumulate on the sidewalk to get smushed you have to deal with those kinds of issues so that is may not be a typical example, but it is an example of a situation that we

have to deal with, and we are gearing up in terms of having the staff to be available to respond to these calls and to go out as necessary to educate and document the conditions. >> and so, in summary, today's actual action proposed for the commission is imposed in the ten percent mandatory outdoor irrigation reduction, and in orn mental landscape and turf and the discussion and possible action coming up at the next meeting, at the charges, is the bases for that and we expect to implement the water ways and enforcement program and we will be reporting to the water board as required and we will be working with the other city departments especially the large users and irrigation holders to make sure that we are doing the right thing and we met last friday afternoon with the rec and park and how well we are responding to this and it sounds like they are on the right track and we also, cooperate with the sister and wholesale customers and anything that they need to implement their portion of this.

>> i just have an observation. the people are going to get creative with the appeal process, i would assume and i would if i was confronted with a mandatory usage that was going to result in a bill that was going to be in excess of when i could afford to pay, the alternative will be maybe to let, an important asset die. right? and then the cost associated with bringing that asset back to life, here, is after we are beyond this will be, far greater than the potential cost savings during this time, so, i am thinking about, and i do want more information from recr, and park it seems to me like they are moving in the right direction, but you know,

we represent gardeners in particular, and there is, and there are some real assets. >> yeah. >> that have been here for decades and decades. and what would be tragic, is that we are not thoughtful and deliberate about, i don't think that i, i would not want rec and park right now to decide what to just let die. that is a concern >> and so i want to have a more thoughtful discussion and i want to be briefed about if they are reaching those kinds of approaches i want us to be briefed about it. >> and when we met with the rec and park last friday, we talked about some of those kinds of situations where there are many different assets as you say around the city, that is, you know, need close attention, and for example, you may cut the irrigation, of turf but there might be mixed within that, a variety of trees, that have adapted to that turf irrigation, and as the basis for going in and driving. so, yeah you might keep them alive with the water on them

directly, but you might ultimately might end up killing them. if you over do it. >> we think that ten percent is a minimal amount to cut by, and that i think is a good path to build on, and we will be happy to be sure that you are fully informed on how those discussions proceed. >> yes. i know like for example, the city hall frontage, we utilize this space for children's activities and i have seen soccer there and stuff and i know that we just did the, and we just did the new turf and what would be toribly unfortunate is for somebody to make a decision to say okay, now we are going to let that die, even though we just rolled it out, not long ago, you know? and so i am interested in just, at least getting that data, those reports. >> thank you. >> commissioners anything else? >> thank you very much. >> so, this is still item

number ten, we did call it out of order. >> i will entertain a motion. >> there is no motion, that is next week. >> so i will not entertain a motion. that is why we have vice president caen here. >> and is there... >> comment. >> is there any public comment on this item? >> i have one speaker card from friday opolisky, anybody else who is interested in commenting on this item, number ten if you would please hand donna a speaker card. >> hello friday. >> happy tuesday. >> yes, it is tuesday. >> thank you very much. for taking the time to listen to me. and for discussing the issue of oern mental turf, i am here toes because i am the president of my co-op, which is not far from here. and we heard loud and clear from the governor, and from the

puc, that we as residents need to save more water, and we need to do everything that we can, and we have done that. and actually i want to say that the puc has a lot of tools that we have used and incredibly helpful. but we have let our oern mental grass, turn brown. and as the president, i have to listen to grumpy shareholders every day, who would really like our orn mental grass to be green and what is difficult for me, traveling through the city and walking by the city hall on a daily basis and looking at the grass that is bright and green. and why, i understand that saving ten percent of water is a step in the right direction, my concern is that the visual message that that sends is that it is okay to have green grass, and for residents, like me, you know, that a significant amount of water for us and we could not just cut back ten percent.

because of the irrigation system that we had. it was kind of an all or nothing deal. and so i think that as you go through and you maybe work with the rec and park you think about what areas need to be cut back, for example, the 6 feet of grass that surrounds this building here. could be let go brown and that does not have to be the civic center grass where the kids play soccer tha, is usable turf, but the turf around this building is not used. and except for by dogs. and i mean, and the sitting area is even granite, it is not grass. and when the people in my co-op walk by the city hall every day they think, well if those guys don't have to brown my grass, then why do i have to? and it is incredibly frustrating and so i just bring this to you because i hope that even though there are some places where it is not a huge

amount of water savings, that you will consider taking drastic measures like letting the grass go brown because it sends a visual message to all of the residents and an important one that has been taken in sacramento and will be followed in san francisco. >> and just so that i am clear, did your... was there a letter in the file from you, a few days ago, did we get a letter from that same co-op. >> i did send an e-mail. >> i didn't get a response. so i wasn't sure if you guys got it. >> i think that we got a communication. >> i did get a response from rec and park and they said that they are using less water to irrigate the grass and i respond to that is that is great, but then put up a big sign or something that shows people that you are really making an effort because in the meantime, you see green verses brown and... >> well, of course, to my

question is though, you seem to indicate that it was not a ten percent reduction, that you all. because you can do an assessment because i also live, and you could do an assessment and you could have them vote and they can decide do we want to kill the asset on our land or we could own the land it sounds to me and i wants the facts, it sounds like to me that you all decided just to stop watering because you said that that is wait that our irrigation is as opposed to cut it back ten percent, right? >> well, we didn't cut the landscaping landscaping entirely, we only cut the portion that is covering the orn mental grass, we have a very large trees around our space, and other trees, that we are continuing to water. and we have gotten the water rise assessment from the puc. and we are in the process of changing and doing other things, but in the meantime, again, we heard the urgency,

and again, the repeated, you know, comments from you as an agency as well as the governor and the press saying that this is an emergency and everybody needs to do everything that they can do and so yes, as a board we decided, there is five members on our board, to let the grass go brown because we heard you and we believe you. but there is 60 members of our share co-op and not all of them are happy about that. i am not happy about it, i mean that it is not beautiful. but it is the right thing to do and i would be so much easier to do that if i said i have the city and everybody else behind me. in making this decision. >> commissioner vietor has words of wisdom. >> one thing that we have been talking about and moving at and moving toward implementation off is using recycled water because a lot of the potable water, currently goes to non-potable necessary uses like watering of the parks and golf course and whatnot. and my understanding is that there might be some

opportunity, especially at city hall, because i brought this up at the last meeting as well, and i think that it has been quite interesting in sacramento has done to allow portions of their lawn to go brown to use that as a message to talk about the drought and pay attention to the issue. and i am wondering if we could hear if there is any progress made on the recycled water, because even to do something like that, and put a sign up, that says... >> totally. >> because of the drought and the conditions that we are facing, we are making a commitment as a city, to move more grasses to the recycled water space. and you know, to short of going brown, or what you have. because you we to in the beautiful city or what have you, could you speak to that mr. general manager? >> yes, thank you. i think that your comments are right on point. one of the things that we want to take advantage of this opportunity to work with the rec and park, and to help them with their investments. and i think that in front of

city hall, instead of allowing the grass to go brown and basically, indicate that don't use the fresh water in a time of drought to water your lawn, a better message is that we need to expand our water supply because this may be the norm, so we need to look at alternative water usage. and so i think that a better message is have the grass, and have the grass green but use the recycled water, because we have plenty that we can utilize and so one of the things that we are working with rec and park to provide the recycled water so that we can continue to water the lawns and post them and let them know that we are using the recycled water and i think that is a better message that we want to utilize or you know, or don't know, a couple of the golf courses that we used the water from daily city, to water. and so, we really want to expand that, because we are really facing limited amount of water in the future and, that i

think this is a step forward for not only the puc but all of the wholesale customers >> absolutely and i just want to add that i called to see if we could use recycled water, and i was told that we are not able to because it is not available in our portion of the city, and i said, could we get it or a water truck if it came out and get it and could we bring it. no. that is not, an option, and so, again, totally, great, but how do i impose that as you know, someone who is trying to learn from you guys? >> well, i think that what you, and we can talk off line but i think that one of the challenges of recycled water is to make it affordable. and you need to actually find the source of where you can treat it and then you have to put it or bring it to where you can actually use it. and if you just used like, a one lot mere, and then a line over there and that is why we are looking for the golf course

and large impactful areas and so we can probably talk to you about your specific situation. but we are looking at golden gate park, and you know, lincoln park and you know the large landscape where we can actually and because we have to bring it from wherever we are looking beside us and so right now we are looking at prosiding a recycle at ocean side treatment plant. and so, we would have to provide, some type of transmission to where we want to use it and it gets expensive. >> commissioner? >> there is also been some movement at the state level, you know, even before the drought, around glen water regulations and i think that is really the promise for the residential, at this point. and it is to really start to, you know, not only regulate, but potentially for the puc to help subsidize and go to the water systems and i think that already there is, you know, opportunities to have someone come out to your house and see what the hook up would look like and whatnot. and so, you know, on a smaller version of looking at recycled

programs, and projects i think that is kind of the next frontier, and you know, whatever we can do as an agency, to really help to facilitate that, and i think that is really going to need to happen, pretty quickly because i think that we are all recognizing that these drought years are going to be coming closer and closer together. and so whatever we can do to you know, support the gray water systems for the residential and you know the recycled water and you know, piping for the new developments and the other things that we have been talking about that we need to look at accelerating now and so i just want to thank you for bringing all of this up because it is important for us to hear, what is going on, and i think that we are all dealing with it as residents of san francisco. and trying to figure out what we can do to save water, short of, you know, letting our lawns go brown, or you know having to really be, you know, mandated to restrict our water use. so i really appreciate that. and we want to be creative with you on how we can really, help get recycled water to you as well. >> thank you, very much.

>> thank you, for being here, thank you very much. >> commissioners any other comments? >> at the risk of upsetting one or more of my colleagues i am going to go ahead and entertain a motion. >> so i just would... if i may, there is two parts of what is presented here, the first part which we would like a vote on, is the ten percent mandatory on irrigation. and so that is the first part, the second part is the excessive use, and that we didn't and we could present it to you and we could bring it and that portion to you, at the next meeting. >> so there are two motions in order? >> yeah, they are bundled. >> and one motion. >> no, we will take... >> actually one motion today which will be for imposing the mandatory ten percent reduction and that is outside of the irrigation. >> so moved. >> that is the first motion.

>> the excess charges for discussion today, would take that up as an action, and next meeting so representing the thoughts on the excess use klargs to guide the staff in bringing back that recommendation. that will be useful. >> okay. >> that does not require a motion. >> so i move that... >> second. >> seconded by vietor. any other public comment on this item? >> seeing none, public comment is now closed. commissioners any further discussion? >> i will go ahead and call the vote. all of those in favor, signify by saying aye. >> aye. >> and the ayes have it and the motion carries, commissioner vietor. so on the excessive charge conversation, i mean that i think that some of the issues that are developed around the appeals process that it would be important that the next meeting to hear about what that would really look like and what that would mean and maybe even to get a better sense of this 1600 irrigation users who are and don't have, sort of the city agencies of have that as a quarter of that and sort of

that a rec and park and how does that break out and i don't know if you can do this in the next couple of weeks, is there going to be any real hard issues with some of these users that you would anticipate, by an excessive charge, you know, mandatory, reduction. you know, and is that potential for them to go over the usage? as far as you know, and who would that be? is it the most, is the rec and park or what have you, so to get a little bit more information on what it will look like from an appeals perspective as well as who we are talking about that might get affected. >> thank you, commissioner. >> anything else? >> so, we did call for your recollection, we called item ten out of order. and so long as there are no objections, i am proposing that we go back to item number 8. and madam secretary, will you please read number 8? >> item 8 is a south east plant

bio solids digesters facilities project update. >> good afternoon, cruz. >> good afternoon, members of the commission, assistant general manager of the infrastructure. moving from water to the waste water sides of the organization. we would like to present to you the status of the bi. o solids replacement facilities project. as part of the over all project, we set some objectives for what the proj