okay. those are my comments and suggestions for the board response are there any other comments? okay. at this time, we'll close the hearing on this matter. or do i need okay. so is there a motion to take these recommendations as an amendment to the resolution? >> so moved. >> u. >> okay moved any objections no objections this passes as amended and is there a recommendation to send this to the full board for approval. >> so moved. >> without objection yes. >> excuse me. >> as the committee report. >> as a committee report thank

you without objection. okay. i think i did everything appropriately so we can move forward and actually, i think we're going to take ethnics out of order call item number 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6 >> item six is the preceding just report other than the 2013-2014 civil grand jury report dierltd civil grand jury pretense. >> mr. ron will be presenting on ethnics. >> thank you, chairman breed and vice chair tilly chang and president chiu. this report deals with the topic

that many people have strong opinions about. you know, whether people in city government are acting properly and how their conduct is regulated. there's an anecdotal evidence of good conduct and bad conduct there's a structure in place there's a lot of beliefs about the utility of the structure as we looked at it we could see there's tangled lace behind that it include both state and local laws, there's a federal constitutional overlay that comes into play in the financial area, there's common lay background when it comes to conflict of interest so a lot of

the report goes through the laws and kind of looks at at how they operate we got into basically 3 areas where we made finding and recommendations. one has to do with enforcement of the laws as it now stands while people look at the ethnics commission it enforced the law the reality is the state enforces the last in many instances because the state political practices act really controls a lot of what the local lay says. we see more enforcement by the f p pc than the ethnics commission. so we recommended that we

contract with the f bbc at the time there was a state law being considered that allowed the f bbc allowing them to correct with municipalities it fell apart and will be reintroduced next year. we also looked at transparency the ethnics commission is the filing for the city and county for campaign finance and other reports they put those reports open the web some are in pretty good shape and some more complicated we made certain recommendations how the data gets posted most of those were commented on by the ethnics commission i city staff and really not up for your review there are certain changes in the

lazy we know think may makes sense going forward particularly on reporting on traveling expenses and things of that nature. those will come to you in the future we also called for an anti whether funds had been properly forfeited to the city when taken in by campaigns properly and we've called for sort of revisiting the public records status of e-mail and text messages used in public policy whether the public calendar requirements of the sunshine ordinance we called for the annual report that is specified in the city chart

about the ethniccy of those laws to be prepared in writing and submitted inform the board of supervisors and the mayor and hope you'll port that concept the ethnics commission tips to previously prepare this report once again we called for revisiting some of the concepts that were in proposal j that were feuded in part of the rewrite of the ethnics laws. those dealt with the concept of people seeking public benefits from the city and regulating how members that vote on the benefits then get employed are work for the people that sought the benefits. the third area we loopthd was restructuring some of the activities of the ethnics commission itself.

we called for a reaffirmation that that the ethnics commission is the policy body and the ethnics commission agreed to call them to get an executive secretary for the meetings and hope you'll support that concept. once again i know this is an area that people have opinions by the made a number of other recommendations and finding i look forward to your discussion of them thank you >> thank you. >> on behalf of the city we have mr. john synsoy that's going to present the executive of the depth ethnics commission okay. thank you and chairperson and supervisors i don't have a

presentation but here to answer any questions you might have. >> okay. thank you. okay. at this time we're going to open this up to public testimony. are there any members of the public that want to testify >> can i make a couple of public comments i want to thank the members of the grand jury for your work the civil grand jury knows our office has offered 4 pieces of ethnics legislation of ethnics reforms i want to thank our colleagues who supported it which helped to tight rules around biologists and other clarifications there was a number of topics address raised under the civil grand

jury report i believe that san francisco needs to be a leader on transparency and neglected for the public to trust in what we do we need to have even though highest ethnical standards around transparency we've made a lot of progress in the recent years there are more things we can have more room to moderate we ought to consider whether or not the ethnics commission has the resources to tobacco pro-active and this report was very wide-ranging and we have a lot of responses what i tried to do as i was reviewing this and would like to suggest i have a number of possible recommendations how to move forward and thoughts around this i'm happy to go through i want to thank you who worked hard on

this as well as ethnics for good government and for ethnics in our city for the work working with my office and working today and working in the future with that, again, thank you and let's go to public comment. >> thank you president chiu. >> are there any members of the public who wish to make comments. >> us s i s the problem in the middle east the only solution and the 10 thousand professionals together for the good conscious of the conclusion from the introduction to turning point all decisions is to. >> thank you. >> make a friendship because only making through friendship is the u.s. and obama and to the mideast. >> sir, i'm sorry we have to stick to the subject matter.

>> thank you. next speaker, please. >> chair breed and vice chair tilly chang i'm larry bush a member of the grand jury has been noted this is a moving target as we started our investigation in september it changed after we issued our report xhoups legislation the state legislator there were court decisions and so you'll see where we have headed t is lateral towards transparency because the more people have information the more they can participate in what is going on whether we're talking about who is funding travel and how much they're spending on that whether there's dark money 20b disclosed those all i have those are in the report when we talk to

provide a written report open was efficiency of our laws we hope it will look at how other jirgsz in california are responding to the issues harvey rose did is a good job of comparison us to los angeles a couple of years ago that's at yardstick to use i'm glad you'll talk about this in the budget process one of the things that's hard to do it nail down in advance what something may cost and sometimes, the projections are outside reality so such. >> thank you, mr. bush any other members of the public that wish to provided public comment testimony seeing none, public comment testimony is closed. >> all right. colleagues

president chiu. >> thank you, madam chair and because the civil grand jury did thorough work i have literally 11 packages of notes i'm going to go through to agree or partially agree so i'm going to try to peed this up i'm going to speak quickly and colleagues if you disagree please stop me but i'll start. >> ready. >> let's go and many of those i do agree with so finding one a around the ethnics commission lacking resources to handle law enforcement agree 1-b the fact the i agree finding one c the confidentiality runs contrary around public trust i disagree the board of supervisors extorts supports the greatest

transparent thank you empathy go commission including its investigation but recognized the charter site by this city attorney finding one d around the investigative staff around investigation agree. one e the fact the f b example c is successful agree finding one f the investigation is better outside of the perseverance absolutely agree. going to recommendation number one the jury reminds a contract for a 2 year pilot i'll suggest this is not going to be implemented the board of supervisors doesn't have the authority to implement this recommendation the board agrees that this is a suggestion that ought to be considered and encourages the ethnics commission to look at it and

finding one-on-one two the improper campaign funds were returned to the folks rather than the city i suggest we disagree the board of supervisors we've not received information about specific examples but the ethnics commission should follow-up on specific allocation i think my staff has provided the summary i'm on page 2 for recommendation number 2 around whether we need an anti audit we support this but implementing it will require the supervisors to propose an audit by the assistance from the city attorney the board should report within 6 months. on finding number 3 that a broader citizens right of the

aforementioned will support the action i disagree partially i want to say i find the nuance between arresting partially or discharging partially so my comment the board of supervisors understands how the right of action to the greater enforcement but buildings the private action would be employed more frequently and the action on is next finding what we suggest is it is not implemented any member of the board of supervisors could propose it but at this time the board of supervisors we are not convinced the right of action needs to be broadened. on ifrnthd number 8 around the definition was lobbyists and

contacts disagree partially because the ordinance was all the time in the ordinance that i had lfkd and partnered with dennis herrera this should had should paragraph we're not disagreeing we've down done it with regards to recommendation number 8 around the lobbyists ordinance for the city officials this has been implemented again in our orientals 9814 strengthens the lobbyists requirements and finding 9 the influence is not limited within the city officials but outreach to the community and nonprofit organizations through tv ads and polling and other strategies agree. recommendations number 9 that the retirement for the

disclosure of money should be reestate with full public disclosure what i say not be implemented it was strengthened again with what we did by the board of supervisors and the expenditure lobbyists was not reinstated i'll state that as fact and any future member of the board of supervisors could suggest this if it's something that is of interest >> i'm reilly i'm making some changes to what is in the document but you can see i've met with members of the civil grand jury this is work in process finding 11 the text medicare's has not been implored again if so one i think i agree partially and disagree paternal the board of supervisors agrees that the emerging technologies create new difficulties and the

city attorney has provided a significant amateur of advise including an interrupted sects in the newly revised good government on recommendation 11 i suggest it requires further analysis the board of supervisors looked at this by the sunshine task force ethnics commission and city attorney will report back to the grand jury after this work he the conclusion of supreme court case finding 16 around the traveling and gifts i suggest we agree with what is suggested by the grand jury with regards to recommendation 16 in this area he say it requires further analysis the board of supervisors is open to making changes and looks forward to the additional analysis and the recommendation of the ethnic

commission finding 18 around the fact that the board of supervisors is not subject to the requirement and many provided their counters and will be helpful to someone that provide my calendar frequently and i'll say the following the department did not i'm going to amend this as far as we know all supervisors respond to public requests for calendars recommendation 18 i would say it requires a further stipulate analysis the board of supervisors will ask the clerk to have this in the board rules. finding number 20 with regards to the fact that the ethnics dimension and the sunshine ordinance task force are similar

ends but difference between them and sometimes the work is not in harmony i agree what recommendation 13 a with the blue ribbon panel this is not directed to the board of supervisors and many any member of the board could r request a task force recommendation 20 b also it will not be implemented it represents to the sunshine task force and not directed and a at the board of supervisors. on finding 21 a that the policymaking powers invested in the commission itself i agree finding 21 b the staff provides the commission meetings contents create the impression 9

commission is not a policymaking body i disagree most members receive a ethnicable contemplation rely on staff work. recommendation 21 is the board of supervisors should provide the commissioners with an executive secretary separate from the commission staff requires further analysis i think this is something we ought to consider as part of the ethnics commission budget i agreeing suggest an additional staff member could have a better improvement finding 21 a that the jury was able to locate and the ethnics commission was unable to provide notes or presentations to the board of supervisors regarding the annual reporting open the focusness of our san francisco ethnics laws i

parkinson's disagree it's unfortunate that the civil grand jury was enable to find those but obviously communications can be improved finding b the transparency induct, etc. i will suggest we agree finding 24 c the proper suicide is considered their ability to achieve the purposes set forth when combngd i agree recommendation 24 that the mayor and the board should request on annual written report on the review of effectiveness this will be implemented the board of supervisors wants to receive the report from the commission go, of course, we should talk about funding finding 25 a the fact that a periodic review of information

is to share itself validity. finding 25 b that the ethnic commission has undertaken no auditing of the conflict of interest and the going finding for late finding statement partially disagree there's more work to be done but the board of supervisors look at those area recommendation 25 they should monitor other items again, this recommendation is within the jurisdiction of the ethnics commission and i'll suggest this is not something we'll implement but the board of supervisors will consider providing additional resources in the next budget process i'll say offhand i've voted for the jurisdiction

around the budget but and budget is challenged we're really to trying to decide whether more money for for public health england this is of importance to the community that is a body that ought to lobby i don't get requests for more funding for ethnics i'll make that suggestion it has nothing to do with the recommendations. i'm sorry was that finding 27 and president chiu what was our answer for 25 i it will not be implemented because it's within the jurisdiction of the ethnics commission the board of supervisors should consider providing more information in the next process >> finding 27 requiring the proposals to amend the campaign lazy explains how for the

purpose of the law i partially disagree the technical finding is here and the board understand such venltd are not required although advisable recommendation 27 for the campaign ethnics laws should be specified how it explained the cheaper will be implemented individual supervisors should ask the city attorney to include those we're almost done. finding 19 the finding of the prop j articulate many publicly concerns and should be adapted and again, this is one where i partially agree slash disagree the board of supervisors saids the proposition j should be revisited but by the ethnics commission to the finding and

finally the last represents the ethnic commission augment to hold a hearing this is not a recommendation to the board of supervisors although the board of supervisors can hold the hearing on the matter and the board recollections it is outlined by the ethnics commission. so colleagues thank you for your patience if there are any questions or suggested changes i'm happy to take the suggestion i want to thank my staff to and hopefully, we got most of the answers i hope our colleagues can agree with . thank you president chiu >> thank you president chiu i don't have my disagreements i was happy to support the legislation basically to strengthen our regulations around transparency i will say i

want to stop the flow in particular with recommendation or finding number 2 and recommendation number 2 i wanted to point out that, you know, as a campaign we're subject to regular auditing so i felt strongly about that there are existing procures in place that subject candidates that take a look at some of the instances talking about u talked about but i look forward to working with the board if we should come up with future legislation or further resources or sunshine task force to be able to properly sure we do everything with transparent. >> thank you commissioner chan. >> president chiu. >> i think the final comment i

know with the civil grand jury thought about the suction that in some salesman's we may partially agree or disagreeable or not implement them in many instances it's a function of the fact either something was directed to a body outside the board or i don't think this is necessarily the forum with this particular resolution for us to decide the specification an issue buses any members of the board of supervisors can propose changes to our ethnics rules we can consider in the future and in some instances? what the board is going to do pits meaningless nmgs unless some members of the board highlights those for our side to move forward. >> thank you president chiu there will be further analysis required based on your cigarette

butts suggestion so i'd like to taken a motion to continue this meeting to the call of the chair. >> so moved. >> without objection the meeting is continued to the call of the chair was there. >> i think we need to adapt any reopens. >> okay. okay. so at this time are we would you like are we going to be able to adapt the responses that don't require further analysis within the current resolution or should we bring this back >> actually, i was going to suggest. >> chair breed all the responses and further analysis will be in the meeting on tuesday. >> i have classification on the specific recommendation. >> please identify user. >> i'm the