this on an annual basis after the fact basis the host says here the number of days we'll rent and the second thing is the dedicated enforcement staff a higher 2350e would be appropriate but we concur there's a disincentive if it becomes too high to register another is the fine rather than having it come from the general fund for consideration to move forward sequoa on the issue of hosted vs. non-hosted the commission recommended the limits apply to both we think first of all, it makes it easier for us to enforce but we royals it was related to the issue of privacy because essentially we'll be trying to find out how many days someone splept slept

in their home so that's a concern i don't want to get into and it makes it easier to enforce the rules sequoa i just want to indoctrinate to the issue of privacy and address the miss semgsz we're asking it not be attached to the unit not divulge who is hosting or asking for people to open up about their personal business only nobody would know about the information but only after the fact when their hosting someone in the unit so we're not getting into people's personal lives how they take vacationed and again, it's the unit that's important not who owns it not any of that

sequoa finally, i want to mention this has comp come up a couple of times perhaps a one year reporting requirement back to the board and commission how the fees are working and how the enforcement is working we'll report back in a year or so to see how it's working and report on the enforcement issue sequoa i'll have to leave in about a half an hour again we're here some of the staff for the duration of the meeting. >> colleagues any questions for the planning department. >> i want to ask the planning department one comment and one question first of all, a one year reporting condition i support that we will do everything we go, but perhaps as

it gets into enforcement you may need to figure out whether there's a detail that doesn't work may try to figure out language so you have a - >> my recommendation to keep is below a hundred dollars a year we don't want to create a disincentive by that's not if you have enough for full enforcement the fee is not enough so we'll want to talk about the possibility of having fines and dedicating those to the enforcement and we believe that's legally possible but not a general funding process. >> i'm happy to support that and we'll have the conversation

0 through the course of this committee meeting. >> thank you director ram. >> supervisor kim. >> i have a quick question in terms of the question around did costs i know that it's hard to estimate what the full cost of enforcement is there an initial budget of what the department is proposed to go out so we'll be except to deal with the initial flood of registration and complaints. >> it again is hard to know it's depends on the final composition but it will take two to three people to start a as much as as three to $400,000 for the staff positions. >> and then the second question i know that dbi and planning have a joint hearing on october 2nd; is that correct.

>> that's correct. >> and is this on the agenda for the hearing for that hearing. >> this legislation flou no, but they will want to talk about the enforcement. >> that's something i mean i know i articulated this easily but i want a response to dbi they best building what code they're going to be endorsing the violations thank you. >> thank you. >> okay. thank you supervisor kim sequoa commissioner joh. co is a hearing on october 2nd but this is not being heard. >> this enforcement issue is

part of what the commissioned want to discuss and do you think it's important to hear the end result of this october 2nd meeting do i think it will factor any relevance into today's information. >> there's a informational hearing no action required but they wanted an opportunity to discuss the enforcement action and how each department is responsible just to clarify the legislation by supervisor chiu it makes the department responsible for the enforcement. >> colleagues questions or comments that the planning department or in general. okay. seeing none at this point excuse me we'll move to public comment when air b and b speaks people

can ask questions of any speaker and that will be the best way to handle it. so i'm going to begin by calling public comment cards it's two minutes when you have 30 seconds left you'll hear a soft bell and when your two minutes is up you'll hear a louder billion and finish up your comments to move along. i want to note that we have a board rile where we request that people in expressing agreement or disagreement or prpd not do it through clearing or booing it is disruptive and can dissuade

people from wanting to speak so do you want to approval or disapproval do a thumbs up or whatever you don't have to testify in the exactly order your called i'm sorry, i haven't called anyone yet so if you could - thank you. i'd like to ask people to line up on that side of the room the side close i did to the windows i'll begin to call names

(calling names) and i apologize in advance for mispronouncing names (calling names) sir. >> responsiveness to safety of residents we hear i can't registration register for the code violations it sounds like responsive and not comprehensive so of us went to meeting to the building inspection commission months ago we heard private retains and rental unit were not intishgd on a regularly basis so the home could have up to date wiring or plumbing and yet because there's no violations it

could be rermgd and the issue is what about the safety of those in the unit that's been a short time rental or the next door neighbors or the upstairs or the downstairs neighbors if you've got older wiring or plunging you're renting anti 3 bedrooms of your house you you've got a problem if they all plug in a hair drying or tv you could have a short circuit and dbi is not considered this it is not before the building inspection they don't know had a code to apply a residential or commercial why can't this be on the joint meeting of october in joint building inspection they don't have a basis to know what code

to use and the reminded requirement to register only the code violations you could have up to date wiring and still present safety southerners this is a safety concerns if the building has a fire. >> thank you. next speake >> there are. hi, i'm george good afternoon, supervisors i represent the neighborhood groups in san francisco. i lived in the mid turn-on homeowners association when midtown terrace was development in the 1950s the

developers recorded in the property records of san francisco a number of covenants and restrictions cc&rs intended to insure the purchase of those lots can have confidence in mid-town terrace would maintain it's character as a high quality neighborhood some of the rules were specifically included in the property b f d for the original purchaseers and continue through. we're concerned be of this massive rezoning of our neighborhoods we're currently an rh1 and rh2 home rh1 b and our homes are about to be rezoned as commercial property. this rezoning is being done under the guys of air b and b it is wrong

for what's happening in our neighborhood destroying our cc&rs and our homeowners association how can we as neighbors enforce our own regulations we believe there is no real enforcement under david chiu's plan and wondering how to enforce our own rules and don't understand how we can figure out who the hosting what in our neighborhood so how can we responsibly handle our own neighborhood problems. thank you very much. >> thank you very much. next speaker. . good afternoon, supervisors i'm henry i'm the president of the san francisco council of the

associations, of course, there should be regulations on the short time rentals i want to mention one thing air b and b will bring to the city those folks are the ones that come to our cities and stay for a short time and explore around the city to areas that are outside of downtown where there's no traffic right now for super bowl there will generate traffic and help to revitalize those areas that are right now somewhat blighted and in some parts of city for the super bowl it's a good thing but on the other hand, i think we need regulations thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. . >> hi, i'm ashley i live in san francisco for 8 years i rent. a

5 bedroom home i have roommates and i've been hosting a year me and my landlord have a wonderful relationship i'd love for the supreme court to come to my home and check-in the wiring i safety i think the air b and b is to capita business elias i live in the excelsior district small mom and pop family owned restaurants this is my job i love it my only concern is the 90 day limit that would really effect me and my home if i couldn't host on air b and b for longer 90 days i'll have to go to grazing e craigslist i prefer not to. i

was listening to our attention of the details everyone has a very different situation i host it's my job. i lived in that home for 6 years and i would prefer a legislation that would allow me to keep doing that i'm for registering i think that $50 is reasonable i feel safe and money that are not in their homes need more insurance but as for me lirg anything that allows me to uplift myself and the city and the neighborhood would be wonderful. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. . insurance for moody we need to

have insurance that cover our safety while the board of mooney come to for one muni okay. also actually, i wanted the first term for the representative a representative for the time in the market. also the reason you get some sort of the whole way no persons just the names something say you jesus christ stop being jesus christ it's not a holy person just because of the maim and the halfway s hoff is not only to whollyness are

you jesus christ but your looker your maybe higher than me levels of so it's a special sub level see. so the world what about society whole religion and tokyo the plan is to make use of the lecture the 10 thousands volumes and the sweat shirts students in chinese are rateable not just an outsider in my computer so - >> next speaker. my name is ray olsen it's hard to follow that one (laughter) but i had the good fortune to have my son take me to brazil

and try out air b and b it was a wonderful experience one thing to take a look at the big picture of what might happen to whatever legislation you pass i significant you wait a few years and make the decision go after you gather more history and experience with the air b and b with the rental experience for instance, i look at the possibility you'll be pitting neighbor against neighbor with people thank you for the opportunity others in and pitting landowner against landowner those conflicts could really harm the city i in terms of the city taxes i agree with the other speaker with the additional number of people that are brought into san francisco who wouldn't otherwise come because they wouldn't like the

hotel experience the city is not suffering. thank you very much i urge you to walk cautiously in this area (clapping.) i'm just going to say if i want to express approval or disapproval you do so in a way that's not automobile thumbs up or down it is a big deal to do public comment in front of a large crowd and you get into the applause it can not make people want to do public comment so respect this, please to my left. >> eyewitness i'm peter i support home sharing i own a condominium on katrero hill in

the supervisor cowen district i use my spare bedroom for home sharing i'm on the neighborhood katrero next door community i saudi in a home sharing unit when i invested my x home country london it struck me i could use my spare bedroom for that it soda empty for several years my children are grown it is unused space. i'm semi retired this makes it possible to continue to live in this very expensive city. which i've grown to love so much over the last 25 years. i love the idea of using an asset and being able to offer visitors in a place where

there's no hotels i have an elderly come up that are living one block away with children they have their own place. this is also an economic committee i want to make a couple of economic points i have been to afford a cleanerer and she also comes and changes the guest room in addition, i buy supplies food and breakfast it from a local grocery store opt the library so i'm helping the city multiple this thousands of other hosts and the economic impact is substantial so hvrz is going for katrero hill and the city of san

francisco. >> thank you. next speaker. hi, i'm paul my wife and i own a small jewish company open for four and a half years we accident in the height for of years we opened our deli driver's license we weren't looking to get rich only wanted a local business and it's harder and harder to do in this expensive city we know several people participate in home sharing it allows them to invest children i know another person that had a failing business they had enough money to keep their business going because of home sharing. the people tend to spend a little bit more and come

to a neighborhood they're asking me about the other businesses i'll see them coming and go to the other businesses and in the middle of the week we don't have a lot of offices by us and not a lot of draw that puts us over the edge from making money and not making known money. like i said, we don't have a lot of tourist so every little bit helps i'm glad they come to the neighborhood. >> thank you very much. next speaker. and good afternoon. i'm sharpening i don't think no one i live in katrero hill i'm a homeowner i host my unit and travel for businesses about once a month it was a way to make extra money. i'm sure you're

aware of costs are going up and property taxes and other things and my income has remained the same i struggle as a single person it's been a positive addition for the extra $1,200 a month to apply to my expenses i don't run over 90 days i don't have a problem with the limits i know that one size doesn't fit all this commission needs to be careful about grouping things across the board air b and b is a global business they've done tremendous things for the economy their office are close, in fact, my hosts are the people

young business travelers and katrero is booming we have change.org and so many new startup companies and no hotel facilities maybe like fifth and howard there's a need for travelers both toufrldz to travelers to be able to walk to the businesses and be able to support us and lastly this is a global business and issue san francisco needs to look at other businesses and criticize. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> hello, i'm louie own a wine bar south of market and here to support the air b and b as a

super bowl 50 i benny think that not looking at accident numbers but the other cities like san francisco is not a great on the scale i know it's a good thing and gives facilities for people traveling in those neighborhoods that you won't find hotels. i think air b and b a has trouble in upper their somehow competing with hotels but when we talk to the air b and b consumers we see the profiles of the customers is not the same so i don't think that's reasonable competition but this city needs places for

people to stay not everybody wants to stay in the middle of the city so it's important to support those and help the small businesses. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> hello, i'm linda i live in district 11 near balboa park i've been part of the home sharing community for the past two years. the house i'm currently hosting is in actually across the border in daily city i hope to be able to use my current home in a home sharing capacity when my husband retires and we're traveling we choose this type of r0ir789 we needed a flexible schedule we have 4 children that could not food to

live in san francisco we have 13 grandchildren that are getting ready to go to college we need more income to have a flexible way to approach home sharing and helping to screen the people has been invaluable this house wouldn't be on the market for a full-time rental our children have to use it part of the year this has allowed us the flexibility to do that sort of thing. i agree with the other speakers the neighborhood like southern part of the san francisco don't get tourists and when they do it's because they're close to the rental property we can telling me tell them how to get clipper cards we incite them to neighborhoods

they wouldn't have known about last week, we hosted a family with a young disabled child i needed this kind of a adequate neighborhood investment to stay in san francisco a hotel wouldn't have deny it there are many reasons why people do that. >> thank you very much. next speaker. >> good afternoon. i've lived in san francisco for 10 years now i'm a homeowner i this live in my home and chosen to human resources or housing authority i representative a lot of districts in san francisco where homeowners only have a single-family unit and to they're the home share it with other people and whatever the argument it is