so we generally allow it but if not it needs to be asked for and technically the code. >> even though it's not american people exit stair. >> i have two different opinions from two senior clan checkers i see that as part of a preapplication where someone is not saying i'm putting my stairway here we do allow it but not it is something that needs to be decided i know the neighbor didn't like the survey way under that location. >> thank you thank you okay. now from the permit holder for rebuttal. >> i'm shannon again we believe that our design is a

modest deck design we would like to take our neighbors concerns take into account into our design as much as possible so long as we can use our property to be feasible we've heard tonight that our plan as drawn would require firewalls and that there's a question about whether or not the stairs would require a firewall because their non-combustible human resources overhead i guess and our neighbor is concerned about privacy adjacent to the stairs we're concerned about using our property in the stairs are relocated because they'll block our egress and due to the intricacies of the yard in the

photograph represented earlier moving the stairs to the center can be tricky and walking around in our backyard we'll propose to extend the firewall adjacent to the stairs to the extent necessary that would be needed to alleviate mr. brown's concerns for privacy do you have anything else. >> may be one more companion that ms. brown mentioned bring in boards through the neighbors property we don't know it's appropriate tomorrow they could put up a fines we need to be able to use our property and bring things anti through the backdoor so moving the stairwell

over is unfortunately not possible for us and in the middle they suggested a big stairs in the middle we hope to put some sort of plastic shed underneath this area we couldn't that that so, yeah. >> on that point. >> is the time running. >> 30 seconds. >> i was going to clarify about the wall it's not adjacent to our property but the neighbors on this south side and the wall is over 5 feet tail not easily scaled not 0 approa appropriate bringing in mulch. >> i have a couple of questions for you one of the reasons you've indicated you didn't want to

bring the edge of the deck it is not the ms. brown's side was because of the door? >> if you look at can i have the overhead if you look at the drawing this bottom sorry thank you this door is our current door we don't want to have to move this is our garage and hard to move this door if we bring this offer there's a post in the middle of the door. >> but the post is at the edge of your new deck. >> well, if there's a firewall. >> you it 3 feet in you'll not need a firewall. >> the other problem is this the the exit door to the kitchen it's possible to be moved a few

feet over but it's invites exactly 3 feet we have a bathroom here if we had - well, a stairwell in the middle and this pulled back this area in the middle this door can't move so it will limit our face we'll have a barbecue; right? >> the deck extends further and we don't want it to be 12 feet out that will block her view we're trying to tell compromise we don't want to propose. >> i understand you're married to this. >> i'm not married to it at all. >> it sound like it. >> anything else from the

department? >> just one thing on 4 spiral stairs on the design after everything i hope that we've taking a look at the head stair the way it wraps around it the posts you're coming under the deck and this is sometimes a problem the design is great but when we get but out to get the inspectors then the door has to be move forward someone else commissioner fung as a architect you know it's very well on the paper but it is a big problem for inspection maybe the permit holder has an answer but it becomes an owner we end up moving the stairs someplace else

because of the head issue. >> commissioners. >> we're fine. >> we're fine. >> i'll start. >> well, you start. >> you know i is it so hard to tell people what they shouldn't be subject to and hard to tell people to redesign what they want to do from the permit holders side, you know, i understand what they're trying to do but the question of theirs 40 two questions one the utility of firewalls is not very great i mean, you're spending kwient quite a bit of money for

firewall and not utilities into you're living i would have tried to avoid it and come in 3 feet each way and avoid a firewall the other things too if you look at the plans they probably could reconfigure how they said to handle the living room open the second floor their removing the second window for a sliding door and therefrom not law the deck you but it's difficult for me to redesign this for them and from the, you know, neighbors side, you know, i understand that, you know, after having lived there for such a long time she's used to what she has

optional potential solutions i can see without moiflg the design what happens in the lattice open her fence went further out and higher would that i don't know whether the permit holder would be willing to do that to assist that but the firewall is going to block part of her light coming through the lattice on her property line if they, find a way not to do the firewall expend the lattice out further she has her sense of security a less level of privacy because of the lattice but some level of privacy i don't know whether they want to consider those suggestions 80 to see if

any resonate with either parties. >> the only problem with the firewall they'll have to come in 3 feet a reconfiguration of the original dine. >> we'll they're they'll louses louses losing lose some space you could remove some space and put your feet on the rail. >> there's a firewall other than the other side. >> that's up to them they're going to run into a notice issue with the zoning administrator i'm trying to find a solution for both parties not both will will totally happy but as commissioner fung brought up since the building inspection record in regarding to your deck

that means there's going to be a 311 notification that's needed because of the firewall then the neighbors have the opportunity to chime in so that's the reason why commissioner fung is trying to give you. >> a sensible option. >> yeah. you might want to have a conversation with your neighbor before we make the judgment. >> if you make the changes we couldn't expect those. >> the zoning mist was proposing an option to the letter to the joining neighbor. >> we would like to get resolution for you guys.

>> or we can make a ruling without you trying to reach an agreement. >> yes. >> it's in our best interest to both sides to reach an agreement or we'll reach an agreement for you. >> if you want to speak come to the microphone. >> okay. so i don't time to put words into your mouths i think i've said you're asking scott and shannon to bring the deck in 3 feats and modify our designs. >> but go out further. >> rather than 10 feet whatever the number so her privacy and security you feel like you've got a usually deck and avoid the changes. >> you evaluated the 311 notification that is going to

slow down your project. >> the ball is back into our court. >> i mean we allowed her to speak so go ahead and . >> we're giving you options. >> you don't have to accept them. >> i guess the question is we're bringing the deck in 3 feet on both sides and then that includes the stairwell as well we bring that in or can that stay where it is i think then we might consider that but, you know, as it is that's quite a bit change bringing it out and in drawing wise. >> we understand that you this is a plan i've worked open and been going on. >> over 6 months. >> but the options we're giving that once you go to 311 notification you'll be going on for a couple more months.

>> we understand that scott sorry your last nameless the firewall on both sides we can do that and maybe get a letter from our other adjacent neighbors and if that's satisfied. >> let's hear from the department and see the recommendations and perhaps commissioner honda but perhaps would you folks like to have another week or two. >> weigh like a week to speak to each other and come back to iron these things out the next meeting is october 8th that gives us 2 weeks. >> you want to take a break. >> let's take a 5 minute break

so you guys can hopefully resolve this and if it can't be >> okay. we're back on the september 17, 2014, meeting of the san francisco board of appeals we're still on item 14 and we'll hear from an agent for the appellant. >> thank you for letting us talk amongst ourselves we've come to a conclusion identified by commissioner fung carl al has agreed to firewalls on her property line with an additional of lattice from her exist lattice to the center line of the recycle stairway we've agreed to ship los angeles board

so they'll be using that at least the neighborhoods are okay. >> permit holder are you in agreement with this that is. >> yeah, that definitely seems arbitrarily to us we'll also request with our powerful we'll request with the 311 we'll get a letter from the adjacent neighbors so, yeah we'll get advise from mr. zoning administrator after our finished. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you scott sanchez planning department the matter is before the board and with board discretion if it satisfies the requirement at least having

that notification to the adjacent immediate neighbors will beat out the concerns of the firewall that the 2 and a half feet above a if he has it is minimal and that property to the south given the typography the only concern if action is taken tonight and the person has concerned no venue in which to express those and the board can continue this to the next hearing maybe the revised plans would be redone and take action. >> yes. that's reasonable. >> thank you mr. sanchez. >> so you're the suggestion of the having a revised plans for the next hearing and as far as the notice to the hamburger is it to provide notice and seeing if there's objection or request

something from the neighbor. >> let me state my explanation i would like to see on photograph active letter from the adjacent neighbor saying the revised plans are acceptable and if we give another week for all parties to agree on the revised plans that would be prudent. >> commissioner. >> actually more than a week. >> two weeks then and i wonder if you're open to october 15th because october 8th is extremely full. >> yes. october 15th unless anyone obtains. >> hearing in objection. >> i think 1942 our preference to make the agreement now. >> we're not going to do that we're going to invite the other neighbor but the plans itself

where the wall goes so we don't have to revisit that you we're going to need revised plans to be part of the motion anyway to so it continues our permittee at the building inspection. >> unless someone a has objections we'll deem it as accepted 15 of october. >> she can review the drawings if they satisfy her, she didn't have to come back. >> i think your motions to continue to october 15th for the submittal of the revised plans and the simultaneously of the

letter from the adjacent neighbor acknowledging acceptance of the firewall and have those plans to the board before october 15th and we'll deem the 311 notification performed at that time. >> i think you should say visitations. >> that's a finding only october 15th if that's where you went. >> okay. >> we have a motion then from the vice president to continue this matter until october 15th did public hearing has been headings held and closed for a simultaneously of revised plans and a written agreement on the southern adjacent property owner regarding this firewall issue. >> on that motion to continue

commissioner fung president is absent commissioner honda. >> thank you vote is 3 to zero this matter is continued until october 15th vice president there's no further bus. >> thank you we're adjourned

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>> this park is open. ♪ >> good morning everyone and welcome to the meeting of september 18, 2014, of the board of supervisors neighborhood services & safety committee my name is supervisor david campos i'm the chair of the