or submission of application we're doing a targeted outreach but want to make sure they have the full scope of information around their decision so it's a point well-taken like to see a bigger process quite frankly that community gets shorted on that process we consciously are bringing this keep in mind that if, in fact, we would have and the board has articulated strongly the decision if, in fact, we had the residents and students that live in the 4124 actually enroll in willie brown junior middle school that would be the most difference school in

the city of san francisco over 70 percent of the students in the bay area go-go elsewhere the investment the board is making into willie brown junior middle school because we have a choices system the reputation that schools carry with them sometimes very undesirable is in the process we want to make sure that is a strong statement we're confident in the school that students that go to the school obey successful in my high school they go to and part of the direction to think of ways to incentivize residents of 94124 to look at willie brown i

forget the other question. >> the process one this has to be made now because the timeline is such there's no way it has to be decided one way or another tonight and the second around the process if there's i mean what we do if we make the decision we recognize we're uncomfortable with the like a timeline what more can we do or move forward to address that to kind of have that discussion. >> as we gave me with the board decision if it's apparently are apparent there's more information we, come back to the board to alternate the recommendation this isn't set in stone bus the urgency we want to make sure that the parents have

a full understanding of their choices. >> if i can add one thing to the superintendent comments and the broader discussion for years we have not had a middle school in the bayview so the people have had to leave because we didn't have the school anymore so we know we're trying to do in this attempt for people that live in the 91424 to not take the bus across town we know we have the numbers to actually support a robust and diverse enrollment at willie brown we have to get them there this is something i realize what the

speakers said about the process and i completely hear you you've had sometime discussions but up against a timeline we want to open that school he know it's going to be a fabulous school and another benefit to this if parent commit to 6 and 7 and 8 years he know that'll they're in it for 3 years they'll stay and keep us accountable to many schools we've opened many have been discussed and discussed and discussed still i heard argument or after argument and talked about it and talked about it every school we've opened in the june we've closed i'm not saying this is the perfect process buses if you or commissioners can think of another way to

diverse that school i think you should bring those forward now what we've learned through all of the discussions around the student assignment and stanford university and the harvard a difference school has a better chance of being a good school and if the parents are with the 21st century because the world is getting smaller and our students need to be global students but in an soiled school is inhabits them where there are other people of ethnic groups or social economic groups to be able to work in a difference community and that's what our schools are a micro look at what

our society is and their adapting in a smaller fish bowl to go to a larger one and larger one and let's face it ucla has 50 thousand students i know this is urgent i feel i'd like to have no more a conversation but the restraint said there's a sense of urgencycy and a sense of obligation to that community to provide a school that is successful every student what about successful and 3 years when they graduate can compete competitively with any student in the san francisco and hopefully the world. >> commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell i have a meeting schedule on october 7th

for willie brown. >> so is october 7th too late to have the discussion and bring that for a vote on the following week is it you want it in the guide is that the - is that what we're up against. >> yeah. we're pushed up again, our drop-dead deadline in terms of our enrollment guides everything needs to go to printed at the end of this month. >> so i would rather have a supplemental to the guide or something that goes into the guide that actually stand outside of the incite about willie brown and have it's on table that is you know straight from all the other middle schools where we had a big banner to go through all of the changes to i don't know if everybody hadn't heard i

think we're hearing other issues around outreach to the schools that will have impact and being able to hear some conversations around that i assume we go to p p.s. when we go through the exercise hearing that wasn't done was a bit of a surprise but even if we made that more of a side thing instead of buried in a book it might have a little bit more umg to it and maybe to this is similar to the last assignment proposal we felt like oh, my god that we've spent a lot of time on student assignment we have to push and do but i don't want to end up

getting blow back we'll get as many families complaining about we didn't want the rug pulled out and their commitment to doing that i've gotten a lot of phone numbers from folks that are saying thank you. this is such a much better choice and we're excited about going to willie brown so it's one of the kind of things i concerned around the outreach piece of it and then i agree with with president fewer with the diversity and making sure the school has air mission what it's been the community is starting to diverse it's a third third third and we're seeing so much

of this is depending on how we market it in the outreach we're intending on doing and then the other piece and how we start this out but that's my recommendation to do the committee whole on the 7 and the marketing piece and having a second booth around making it new school coming and having a big to do at the fair people will find attractive and in the language part of this because i don't think if i get to speak again president fewer but pieces around the c tip and wanting to emphasize the frame

qualifications and not just have c tip one out there and wanting to qualify that that piece an important so those are any suggestions and comments. >> thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner maufas. >> thank you. i appreciate my colleagues comments i'm still on in questioning mode but more i guess along the lines of commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell brought up what's itself vicinity of doing something like that and i'll talk to our president and superintendent doing something separate isn't there a print deadline so whatever documents i think still have to be meeting the deadlines so i'm still wondering the

viability of that so if you could start with that. >> we need to as i said we need to have them before the fair and we can't print a map if we don't know which schools are going to feed into the middle school and we have a workshop for willie brown there i go to be holding a workshop and having their own room to run personalities through activities that they're to be highlighting at the school and we have a dedicated page so we have things in motion roadway there are some things we don't make the decision we'll

expecting everything to be status quo and we'll go to print we could strategize on how to message out new information after our printed documents a supplemental guide would be definitely an option, however, it's messier that way harder to message out go changes to a big population of families so there are things we can do and certainly can reach when we have changes and we've done it in the past but the best thing to present a whole package for the families from the get-go for decisions. >> thank you. i appreciate that and actually, i agree i was thinking about that component you know the enforcement there is such a busy event and lots of

moving parts and school coming really if a parent has a guide in matters of the children it's difficult to do all that and the documents and go to the school sites one a book is better if i heard you didn't get the willie brown supplemental and didn't know about it or some other post information that you needed it have i could see that not being helpful in decision making and information gathering so with that, i agree about i am for removing mira loma i get that the other schools that the students coming from 91424 those are my only comments i agree with mira loma and

everything else i would hope we have thank you. i hope we have a much deeper discussion around at our committee as a whole really i'm hoping we've done enough outreach for the community for an opportunity as a committee as a whole we're not the only people in the room that have as a committee as a whole at least lastly. >> commissioner norton. >> i want to argue against waiting it is when you said that when you brought up october 7th i thought oh, maybe but i actually think the feeder plan for better or worse understanding that the process has not been perfect the feeder plan continuity wait we've talked about it as a committee

as a xoel whole it's complicated i think we need to communicate it and i think that i'm very nervous about commissioner maufas said when you start having different levels of communication when you start saying oh, this group got this message now we have to go back and remessage that what happens is our franchise families don't get the message and their odds of getting the message goes down everything you change the message i think this is hard and scarey and the process not perfect the reasoning is sound i think that we need to try things i think that and maybe you you know clearly people disagree with me, i'm willing to try things without a massive process

but stop things that are doing that don't work and i think we need a more nimble process if we're going to have a better assignment system in the end every year we come up with this we have all the information to print and deadlines the fact we have to worried about september in how we are going to message how students are going to be assigned to the following august is a big problem in the system i think we need to we need to try this i actually think we have been sort of we've been talking about this for the last month are two i feel like i i know in my private conversations with the

superintendent i especially with the sort of safety net of a century where we actually as part of the policy have to stop and look at this after 3 years you know to see if its work to see what the unintended consequences we're seeing that up front to families we're going to try this for 3 years we'll see what happens we have a new school that was previously one of the worse schools i've ever heard of and certainly ever seen i've mind this before i visited the old willie brown i was on the school board that 0 allowed this school to be opened so, i

mean p p.s. always said the reputation of a school is takes years for improvements in a school for the community to building those improvements its reputation persists years after the creation of the reputation we have a big issue to sewer mount in the bayview it is something real and manage that gets the 60 or 70 percent of the families in the 1424 to say oh, hell, no i'm not the go go to the schools i'm willing to try a gimmick because at the end of the day whether or not you get our high school choice what's real are we're going to provide a good education or not we are

let's get the kids in there that adds to a great education one of the things we've found diversity creating diversity conditions in school actually effected the quality of education if we have the percent of the schools that the african-american and latinos and other diversities we're going to get the same thing we need to do something bold and different there's safety here in the since we're not committing to do it forever that's my peace. >> commissioner wynns and then dr. murase. >> a couple of things i like the idea i wouldn't call it a

spill enrollment incite we should put in something we know i'm not against the feeder as we said we're prospering we're not proposing to break the feeder pattern this is a big discussion this it is big list we're going to have to explain this to people those elementary schools have other elementary schools they feed into and i want to point out something before he have an amendment on the floor and if 924124 is a higher priority than the brown preference and a dr. murase said i believe to be true we carefully looked at those schools before we had the high school thing that changes the analyze completely i don't have

enough information but if we want to give american people advantage or push to the people that live in the 2414 that go is to the middle school 91424 we could take that preference out because they live in the 1424 because the second thing is that so i think that as to having some kind of additional prouch i think this is a good idea it's a good marketing tool this is about willie brown we have a special thing for willie brown so i still think based on is what everything everybody's said we could take it out frankly i'm nervous about making changes without the community but i

think that really based on no take all number 5 out completely that's actually, the amendment i made that's open the floor and based on what people said it seems like it won't matter the kids we're targeting have the higher preference in the 91424 preference i'm going to support the idea we kind of do both go ahead with some of this i'm okay but for the record when we say to do this as 3 years it's actually 6 years from now there are not going to be it's actually seven years because we started the school year no kids 3 years from now so that's itself kind of thing i would have liked the planners to give

me the information about how that works anyway we're seeing some of that with the middle school feeders but we were surprised how quickly they've been supportive we should consider doing special printing or prouch that explains it. >> so i'm still mulling offer to withdraw my proposal because i was going to ask her to modify her amendment i think i heard her say that 91424 a higher preference staff recommends if the seats don't get the seats filled their empty seats we draw from the schools so i guess my question is to darlene about that how important

what impact does removing this tiebreaker do to overall enrollment. >> i think your quay was wloovr whether or not we could fill empty seats not choice requested and the answer i believe would be no, because that wouldn't be considered their feeder because as the the freerd we'll designate to the feeder if the choices were not met bus with the toy breaker system the 4 schools mentioned would not be considered feeders they don't have the same i guess not the same weigh so their opportunity of getting designated there they might be designated there first of all, there was no space at

the that's right feeder so we'll designate the closest school not playing out the dismay as the feeder. >> we don't want to undermine the feeder system and persuaded by commissioner wynns doesn't have an impact on the students i urge we try to keep the information in one book we're risk people getting different levels of information they don't get the supplemental or the special brochure and not in the book he so i urge we go ahead with the decision tonight and try to get it included both a single book i'll be supporting the amendment. >> thank you did you have something to say?

so excuse me. i'm just tired i know i shouldn't show it i want to say that yeah. i can get rid of number 5 since 91424 we should have the discussion about it because i feel like c tip and just free reduced lunch we're target the people we originally put the c tip in this student assignment plan process whatever it is and that's why we destined it was to give a perch to those students because we believed the majority of those students living in c tip one were also free and reduced lunch i agree that that commissioner commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell if we trial want to serve the

students it should be c tip one and you qualify for free reduced lunch i said in kindergarten we might get more people filling up they're free by which barn frankly that's a whole another discussion i was quiet when you spoke i have the floor because my light is on so i'm saying that in the future i think we should have the discussion but i do think that when we voted on the student assignment process we xhrng knew it would evolve and change we would look at it and tweak it we've land use & economic development also said that and any board member who says that doesn't have a good memory i thought we all agreed

we would tweak and look at it results and is it getting us the same thing we have racial isolation in those schools and neighborhood and those schools so if anyone can think of a better idea where the student assignment up four printing deadlines and also oh, so i guess we're ready to vote on it on the amendment excuse me. one second i think that so i want to say that the process isn't perfect and but we as a system we're imperfect too i think we need to acknowledge that we don't also do things like we should do and do things with the process i agree with the commissioners we should have had a more open process and i also want to own

if this was very rushed but willie brown we haven't opened a new school in many, many years and the reputation of schools as you know i think p p.s. knows better than anyone their reputation of schools just stays there for a very long time even though for example, we've build a fabulous school i'd send my grandchildren if i had any but i'm still hearing its mission high school it's hard this pipeline of information from the background it stays and stays and stays and makes it so people don't give schools a second chance and a second look this what we're proposing here is take a second look at