we've got a great feeling of the community of togetherness and building trusts of cultures around the world i've hosted over 25 criticize and built amazing relationships and continue to stay in touch with them they've been rupture visitors to my home and it's a great togetherness of the community i hope to build in the future and with respect to local laws and local interests so definitely in support of home sharing would appreciate some fair legislation to make it legitimate and representative of all the interests in the city. thank you. >> good afternoon. my name is david gruber i'm president of

the coalition for better housing i appreciate the effort gone into the legislation today. i'd like to comment on my own i feel the economic growth of san francisco is going to continue. what we've seen now is part of a growth pattern that we're fortunate to have, in fact, we're the enar very of the world not only in san francisco but the bay area. rough numbers one hundred and 25 thousand sdwnlz that are 2 hundred and 50 thousand rental in buildings of 2 or more units if we want to take the one hundred and 50 thousand there are 20 percent not protected and that brings us to 60 thousand we're talking about one hundred and 85 rough numbers of unit that are part of this legislation. so what you have today is only the giving you have to realize you're going

to be working on prevention that has to control the growth into the future it will impact the city more and more. so i ask please as you're going through the questions thought of fully there's no rush but all the succinct subjects need to be vested permission is paramount and insurance has to exist roadway there is not insurance for this product and the code and zoning that's urban answerable we're talking about commercial and residential and it's got to be vested properly thank you very much. >> >> next speaker. >> my name is elizabeth gibbons my mother and you are co- owned on alone mountain my primary residence for 20 years i

support harry reid's for a variety of years i've been an air b and b host and hosted 15 different criticize as well as many parts of u.s. home sharing has allowed me as a single mom to stay in our home and taking care of the property tax and educational experiences i oppose capping the number of days this will impact our family it not to exceed need to do it longer 90 days it's allowed mow me to start and grow a business on the side so i can find other ways to support my family. the majority of any guests prefer home sharing because the friendly traveling experience most of them wouldn't take the trip otherwise. we send them to

restaurant, shops and culture activities month take pickup transportation and many guests spend quality time 8383 at graduations it has approved the quality of life and been a wonderful experience i believe that home sharing helps to keep peace and conversation between races and cult that will not otherwise moping meet we take care of each other and been expressed with air b and b for the screening of our guests we've never had guests disrecreation and parks department our home navigate the opts is true many are concerned about the local issues. >> next speaker >> hi, i'm julie i'm here in

support of hrgdz i'm a homeownership and a mother of two and a full-time artist when we purchased our home in noah valley my husband and i were null married this is our dream home but at the time, we needed to grow into representing the bedroom allowed us to meet a challenging mortgage and renting our entire home has helped us to maintain and have an art studio. and now we've had our second child and our first is in preschool oh. it's helped us to meet the overwhelming and childcare education most of my colleagues find it hard to live in san francisco and be an

artist for almost a year i was unable to make my work and being able to rent my home has been essential to working as an artist to afford childcare and grow my practice so supervisor kim i really hope that you look at the 90 day cap in my situation low impact my situation and put the ability to keep my studio in the city at risk please support the passage of this legislation where it doesn't restrict the number of days to 90 and i'm trying to be as creative and supportive as possible to continue to live in a city i love. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hi, i'm stacey bartlett i live with mire husband vincent

and two children we share our home with visitors around the country and world. with us a family of san francisco. our story starts in 2005 when we bought our two-story home with our relatives it included american people in-law unit apartment doubdz and now my brother saved up to buy a home the unit sat unused hosting friends and families from out of town in 2012 any his lost his job and i worked in preschool despite the resurging of home prices it has not - we didn't know how to stay annexed float and as an altered concern it is tied to my brothers and sensual upstairs we shared our extra spaces and we've been home

sharing ever since without this income we would have been enforced out of san francisco we hope we will be able to begin to save for our children's education we live simply in the hundred and 90 square feet. home sharing has enabled us to get splo through the tough that the time and city in this city please find a way for san franciscans to share homes. >> thank you very much. >> next speaker. >> supervisors david owen on behalf of air b and b i want to take the opportunity thank you to supervisor chiu and the city staff working on this issue. this is a piece of legislation that's been in the works for most of two years and testament

to the variety of interests and issues that arises on this topic so i want to brief talk about the company and community. we were founded in 2007 in san francisco. it was truly the response to what of the going on in the general economy at that time the founder were tenants living on the corner of well south of market they were opening their homes to visitors coming to design kwevenz they were also tend they had a wonderful experience and showed them the city and made extra money they realized they can have an appeal to folks now 7 or 6 years later i don't think anyone had an idea this fundamental notation would be take off in this way but it

really is a way that many people especially at that time when the economy was not meeting their needs to supplement their incomes and keep their families certainly in the case of san francisco in a city they love i appreciate you're taking the time i'm sure you have questions i'll look forward to addressing them. >> sir, i want to ask about two issues i've raised specifically around insurance and around landlord notice of some form or another. and for insurance both in terms of what individual hosts can do or might be be able to do and air b and b might be doing. >> this is an interesting question it contestant all aspects of the economy as that

continues to develop it is important to discuss what we do in 2011 air b and b launched at the time an unprecedented host guarantee that we provide up to one million dollars of through that guarantee toward the property of your hosts whether the personal property we thought it was are important to host in our community and something which to the best of your ability no other rentals has done we know this is an important registry issue discussed by you and the folks in the audience will have varies thoughts it's difficult to talk about different policies it's different but this is an issue we think about a great deal and working for the solution in the future i'm hopefully. it's important to note that a year

ago industry leerldz were saying in the ride sharing it would be impossible for uber to cover the issues discussed and here we are a year later it is taken off the table this is a high priority for us as a community and as a company we're working hard on. >> i appreciate that i want to reiterate that i know this that in one of the comments we hear from people that are otherwise supportive of home sharing a concern for example, tenants saying my next door neighbor is doing this and what happens in something happens it impact my unit or belongings and from landlords saying one of my tenants is doing home sharing and if something happens they

don't have insurance to cover this it doesn't exist i be on me or the personal the landlord is saying i'm the one that is going to be sued or ultimately responsible for this so first, i'm in a fix how should we be thinking about this human resources firemen's nevertheless of consent any night of year over one hundred and 50 thousand people are staying in a home sharing air b and b unit since we we were affiliated in 2008, those issues are thankfully incredibly rare but accidents happen so it's important to think about what happens in those circumstances it's difficult to discuss any somewhere because every policy is a private contract between

the insurance companies but we hear the message this is a critical issue for regulate terrors and something we talk about in the community and he encourage i to pose those questions you'll probably hear a variety of the answers. >> i've heard from some with a different prospective than air b and b your policy is going to get scald and forgetting so do you see a product coming online in the near - and i agree with you uber interest was nothing and less and now there is how confident are you. >> i'm confident as our community grows and that market

increases the insurance companies will grow. this is something we're thinking about and as our market continues to grow quickly around the world we're focused on this. i'm an open administrative. >> the issue of landlord nose or some sort of way for landlords to know what's happening on the property not rewriting their leases how do we do that and it's an important question our advocacy throughout this process over the last few years has encouraged the city not to insert themselves in the landlord tenant for a variety of reaps we host from tenant to property owners and all sizes and places around the world it's

important to stay neutral but specific to the question about notice i know it's important that, you know, for us to make sure that the city isn't inserting provisions into a lease that frankly may require something not required if a tenant for instance, has a home business that otherwise complies with the code to invite their landlord or not to seek their permission to practice law or work as an artist in their home we've certainly heard it from the tenant advocacy community which will step into the lease and require some notice of relation not required by the lease. >> the city didn't interpose itself in the landlord tangle so

this border ways crossed a long time. >> certainly i can't speak on behalf of the city but our company urges the city not to take action that will have an effect on that relationship. >> thank you supervisor kim. >> i wasn't going to ask about the insurance by it's great to hear that, you know, regardless of university - universe to your company it speaks about the community that's involved in the a. air b and b host if an air b and b guest trips and falls and the host is the tenant what would be the recourse for that guest. >> again, a fact specific question understands the policy in place and what activities

their authorizes or core it's difficult to make any type guess of what applies not knowing did spevengz but when i become a host on our approach we have a lot of tools that's important to provide our you're to understand their best practices for hosting we have a section in the website in addition to the section about reviewing your lease for instance, or how to discuss those issues with our landlord and talking to our neighbors we point them to tools to make sure very is appropriate insurance as well. insurance i think you're here from various people testifying noble is it fact specific understanding whether or not a policy provides coverage but every different situation is different and people, you know, i've heard a variety of other claims or

characterizations about the policies not enforced we recollection this is a on and on activity this is on a large-scale we in our company and we are focused to have answers for all of us going forward. >> actually that response makes we nervous (laughter) >> i understand there are multiple situations and air b and b might treat inquires in a different way as a policymaker i want to clear answer so, so if a constituent says someone slipped and fell i want to have a clear answer for who is responsible for that incident and for example, for example, if it's a

property owner in that type of scenario maybe sued i get it there are so many situations that fall under this umbrella but there should be a clear answer to the question if we regulate this activity which seems like a lot of people i enjoyed my experience with air b and b a lot of people want too active to continue it is positive but we have to regulate it and have clear answers there can't be a thousand circumstances that can happen and a different issue for each one. >> i appreciate that we're focused on the air b and b and look forward to continuing the dialog not only with the folks but with the landlords and others in the community. >> my question is on the

planning commission recommendation i sporting support it is the elements that any short time rental approach or company doing business in san francisco should provide the days the property is occupied. >> on the platform providing the information on the mroochl. >> if you're registering and given a number with the planning commission you've done everything right on a timely manner maybe quarterly on a 6 months you report the number of nights the property was occupied. >> just to be clear if we're talking about the city asking the platforms to volunteerly provide the information about the using name fully understanding i have a number - >> this is recommended by the planning commission that the city would require that any short term rental approach doing

business in san francisco will provide the number of nights the property is rented i'm curious about your position. >> sure this is a concern for us for several reasons one no other enforcement in terms of comboorg an internet approach to disclose them without a subpoena to the city. >> i'm going to push back the whole concept is they are innovative they're doing something so, of course, this wouldn't have happened we as policymakers are responding to a new industry we've never asked an online approach so, now we're asking. >> i'll take issue with a couple of aspects of the reasoning and most notably we're

a significant approach in home sharing but google has been around longer than we have and not the city's practice to hand language beyond the scope it is akin to the city asking home depot.org asking them to send a quarterly list of how many people ordered home supplies so they wouldn't be illegal updating it's important to understand in terms of the activity so air b and b handles the transactions between the home sharing and hosts and guest we happen to be the largest in san francisco we're not the only

one craigslist has been around and the majority of them are description based they have no way if the enforcement mechanism of the law simply if the platform was shared with the city. >> i'm going to push back this is more akin to the state or federal government asking those online platforms to share the savings that is illegal e legally okay. that be collected this is a question of what's being regulated and what's not the city regulates the products then, yes we should be asking online platforms to give us that information. i think what i'm trying to address is the owner yes. i want this activity to continue i agree we want to be

able to create a set of standards that air b and b can continue doing what they're doing and make additional income but we have to pass legislation that's enforceable we need to know that people are maintaining the 90 days and one of the best ways to do that ask them if we want to be in on the list that the planning commission recommended we include that you would agree to also give us the night of the registration on a quarterly basis. >> again i'll ask how the planning department or commission would like to enforce such a law against all the agencies. >> this is - i completely agree with you if you're on the list

or wanting to be on the list of housing platforms we should require the platform to submit this is to the planning department and if you're not you're not on the platform so you wouldn't be able to use the registration number. the question i was trying to get was excuse me. if air b and b would be able to participate in the regulation. >> as most folks who pay attention to the news air b and b guards their information but if we're s. we will do so but i appreciate your argument but it

will stifle regulation if symmost companies know they were sharing their data helping the federal government enforcing laws on the books this is a other means the city has an existing enforcement structure for land use and the building department enforced permit conditions over and over on conditional use permits regulating the hours of operations of businesses to the number of patrons served by the businesses so the city has been tasked with enforcing numerous rules and regulations that are complicated and have a difficult job and talked about the needs and resources but to rely on intersect platforms to open their data to the government in order to help them enforce a number of laws frankly i think a

number of people would be concerned about and not necessary and not help the city in the case of home sharing address the activity let's say for the purposes of a hypothetical it was truly obviously obtainable if the city determines this activity on the air b and b platform was not worthwhile while if we step forward to work with the city if they related to us to give data they'll mitigate to other platforms if the city want to approach it we're the most significant model that holds the data i'll suggest that many folks in the marketplace you'll

see significant mitigation felt undieshl into other mrachldz i want to make is clear you are the only one on the site i'd ask that to other folks i want to say that if a company wants to participate and be a legal hosting platform allowing outline hosts in the community to rent out temporarily they should be in the regulation of the city and not to stage the ability but to prevent the set of bad acres that are evicting and making the housing shortage worse in san francisco we need to know the number of nights that folks are renting out and would not expect this only have

air b and b and if air b and b would not participate we'll have to go after all the hosts it choose to use the site they know their data won't be shared i'm talking about the number of nights i don't need to know the folks who stayed there but to make sure the bad negative outcome of home sharing is avoiding the bad once it will make a more positive activity we'll make it a better and stronger, you know, activity here in san francisco. >> i appreciate those comments we're definitely in agreement finding the most appropriate way to respect the privacy of our users but helps the city