george moscone and edward or e.r. taylor. >> are you officially making an amendment commissioner wynns are you officially making an amendment. >> i want people to think that it i'll consider making a motion in a minute other thing in the high school preference the setting aside of '75 seats we set aside 20 percent. >> it's in the policy but yearly we usually suspend that to the discretion of the restraint we've not holding them. >> most of the middle-class don't have it that's a surprise to me so you know if we're going to

plow ahead yes i'll make a motion we remove the 4 lerments not in the bayview open the theory we're looking at one of the unintended consequences. >> i'm going to second because i'd like to discuss it if commissioner wynns is through. >> oh, sorry i think it's important to say this proposal or willie brown element was discussed he it he committee he meeting and the racial for churgz what those schools they did american people analysis where do the 941124 students go

to school and propose that election of schools i have to say i'm compelled to agree with chinese the feeders it's problematic we've been encouraging that community to embrace their feeder it seems like we're undermining our own policy i'll be in favor of removing mira loma from the list but by colleagues understand the rational in choosing them we need the critical mass at the school it's a brand new school i feel the district needs to come up with the best possible plan and i think one way to address some of the concern is to really make sure that the public families understand what those

enrollment tiebreakers need but the school opening we're under a time structure it maybe okay to extend it for several months we don't have the liberation. >> commissioner moore. >> i just want to argue against it's one thing to remove all the second tier i'm going to argue against picking and choosing which ones to remove we're xhoent error with error now i'm getting nervous the mira loma families that are concerned about the feeder proposal are maybe don't know about the willie brown proposal and are going to say wait a minute why

did you take us out. >> when i had a conversation with the folks moscone had high concentrations of students that live in the 4124 that's why we were chosen mira loma was chosen for another reason it makes sense to keep taylor and moscone because they have a high concentration of students in the 1424 he agree with dr. murase it remove mira loma from the list actually a lot of the students don't live in that zip code and they have the 92414 preference if they choose to go to willie brown so someone else had a comment are you finished commissioner, i

think commissioner haney has it and commissioner mendoza. >> i have a classification. >> first of all, thank you to all the colleagues those are important conversations although i think most of us agree we wish we had a longer amount of time and so i think all of this is coming out of serious as a consideration, however, imperfect around what is best for the school and families and that we have a full school that it opens up and diverse and people are excited to be there with a successful school so we have to work with the time limit with that said, we owe an apologize to our partners and recognize that we made a mistake in not engaging as early and often as possible around this we

all agree on i have a question around process and the policy itself on process so i said completely this is a decision if it's going to go into effective this year we have is clarify the dates and timelines this is a comment was made it would be great to have a fuller meeting i recognition that time is very short on that and in addition on the process what we can do to sort of look at how the discussion are made moving forward what can we do to gave me with the community if at all before we make the decision final and in terms of the process in

particular with the parents at those schools and more broadly in the district to sort of deal with some maybe some surprises or lack of knowledge about this happening the outreach that would look like those are any process and questions and then kind of the policy itself maybe if for the superintendent talk about the high school preference i know that you know it was something that changed if the last policy and a number of folks i want to also commend president fewer has taken time to think about it issue but why you added this and feel it's necessary and what goals you feel has accomplished it's good to put this on the record we

were saying we were going to do the sweeten opportunity access for the willie brown students is maybe we can have that conversation we're going to take that position we should make that clear why that policy is necessary and essential particularly the rush in which the decision is being made. >> thank you commissioner haney i'm going to ask ms. limb and president fewer maybe the urgency of the discussion we're a little bit over 4 weeks of the school enrollment fair so the parents will indicate their first choice willie brown middle school if the board choose to approve that they have the information going into the enrollment incredibly - cycle

the parents have not parent in great numbers in the first round or submission of application we're doing a targeted outreach but want to make sure they have the full scope of information around their decision so it's a point well-taken like to see a bigger process quite frankly that community gets shorted on that process we consciously are bringing this keep in mind that if, in fact, we would have and the board has articulated strongly the decision if, in fact, we had the residents and students that live in the 4124

actually enroll in willie brown junior middle school that would be the most difference school in the city of san francisco over 70 percent of the students in the bay area go-go elsewhere the investment the board is making into willie brown junior middle school because we have a choices system the reputation that schools carry with them sometimes very undesirable is in the process we want to make sure that is a strong statement we're confident in the school that students that go to the school obey successful in my high school they go to and part of the direction to think of ways to incentivize residents of

94124 to look at willie brown i forget the other question. >> the process one this has to be made now because the timeline is such there's no way it has to be decided one way or another tonight and the second around the process if there's i mean what we do if we make the decision we recognize we're uncomfortable with the like a timeline what more can we do or move forward to address that to kind of have that discussion. >> as we gave me with the board decision if it's apparently are apparent there's more information we, come back to the board to alternate the recommendation this isn't set in

stone bus the urgency we want to make sure that the parents have a full understanding of their choices. >> if i can add one thing to the superintendent comments and the broader discussion for years we have not had a middle school in the bayview so the people have had to leave because we didn't have the school anymore so we know we're trying to do in this attempt for people that live in the 91424 to not take the bus across town we know we have the numbers to actually support a robust and diverse

enrollment at willie brown we have to get them there this is something i realize what the speakers said about the process and i completely hear you you've had sometime discussions but up against a timeline we want to open that school he know it's going to be a fabulous school and another benefit to this if parent commit to 6 and 7 and 8 years he know that'll they're in it for 3 years they'll stay and keep us accountable to many schools we've opened many have been discussed and discussed and discussed still i heard argument or after argument and talked about it and talked about it every school we've opened in the

june we've closed i'm not saying this is the perfect process buses if you or commissioners can think of another way to diverse that school i think you should bring those forward now what we've learned through all of the discussions around the student assignment and stanford university and the harvard a difference school has a better chance of being a good school and if the parents are with the 21st century because the world is getting smaller and our students need to be global students but in an soiled school is inhabits them where there are other people of ethnic groups or social economic groups to be able to work in a difference

community and that's what our schools are a micro look at what our society is and their adapting in a smaller fish bowl to go to a larger one and larger one and let's face it ucla has 50 thousand students i know this is urgent i feel i'd like to have no more a conversation but the restraint said there's a sense of urgencycy and a sense of obligation to that community to provide a school that is successful every student what about successful and 3 years when they graduate can compete competitively with any student in the san francisco and

hopefully the world. >> commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell i have a meeting schedule on october 7th for willie brown. >> so is october 7th too late to have the discussion and bring that for a vote on the following week is it you want it in the guide is that the - is that what we're up against. >> yeah. we're pushed up again, our drop-dead deadline in terms of our enrollment guides everything needs to go to printed at the end of this month. >> so i would rather have a supplemental to the guide or something that goes into the guide that actually stand outside of the incite about willie brown and have it's on table that is you know straight from all the other middle schools where we

had a big banner to go through all of the changes to i don't know if everybody hadn't heard i think we're hearing other issues around outreach to the schools that will have impact and being able to hear some conversations around that i assume we go to p p.s. when we go through the exercise hearing that wasn't done was a bit of a surprise but even if we made that more of a side thing instead of buried in a book it might have a little bit more umg to it and maybe to this is similar to the last assignment proposal we felt like oh, my god that we've spent a

lot of time on student assignment we have to push and do but i don't want to end up getting blow back we'll get as many families complaining about we didn't want the rug pulled out and their commitment to doing that i've gotten a lot of phone numbers from folks that are saying thank you. this is such a much better choice and we're excited about going to willie brown so it's one of the kind of things i concerned around the outreach piece of it and then i agree with with president fewer with the diversity and making sure the school has air mission what it's been the community is starting

to diverse it's a third third third and we're seeing so much of this is depending on how we market it in the outreach we're intending on doing and then the other piece and how we start this out but that's my recommendation to do the committee whole on the 7 and the marketing piece and having a second booth around making it new school coming and having a big to do at the fair people will find attractive and in the language part of this because i don't think if i get to speak again president fewer but pieces around the c tip and wanting to

emphasize the frame qualifications and not just have c tip one out there and wanting to qualify that that piece an important so those are any suggestions and comments. >> thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner maufas. >> thank you. i appreciate my colleagues comments i'm still on in questioning mode but more i guess along the lines of commissioner mendoza-mcdonnell brought up what's itself vicinity of doing something like that and i'll talk to our president and superintendent doing something separate isn't there a print deadline so whatever documents i think still have to be meeting the deadlines

so i'm still wondering the viability of that so if you could start with that. >> we need to as i said we need to have them before the fair and we can't print a map if we don't know which schools are going to feed into the middle school and we have a workshop for willie brown there i go to be holding a workshop and having their own room to run personalities through activities that they're to be highlighting at the school and we have a dedicated page so we have things in motion roadway

there are some things we don't make the decision we'll expecting everything to be status quo and we'll go to print we could strategize on how to message out new information after our printed documents a supplemental guide would be definitely an option, however, it's messier that way harder to message out go changes to a big population of families so there are things we can do and certainly can reach when we have changes and we've done it in the past but the best thing to present a whole package for the families from the get-go for decisions. >> thank you. i appreciate that and actually, i agree i was thinking about that component

you know the enforcement there is such a busy event and lots of moving parts and school coming really if a parent has a guide in matters of the children it's difficult to do all that and the documents and go to the school sites one a book is better if i heard you didn't get the willie brown supplemental and didn't know about it or some other post information that you needed it have i could see that not being helpful in decision making and information gathering so with that, i agree about i am for removing mira loma i get that the other schools that the students coming from 91424

those are my only comments i agree with mira loma and everything else i would hope we have thank you. i hope we have a much deeper discussion around at our committee as a whole really i'm hoping we've done enough outreach for the community for an opportunity as a committee as a whole we're not the only people in the room that have as a committee as a whole at least lastly. >> commissioner norton. >> i want to argue against waiting it is when you said that when you brought up october 7th i thought oh, maybe but i actually think the feeder plan for better or worse understanding that the process

has not been perfect the feeder plan continuity wait we've talked about it as a committee as a xoel whole it's complicated i think we need to communicate it and i think that i'm very nervous about commissioner maufas said when you start having different levels of communication when you start saying oh, this group got this message now we have to go back and remessage that what happens is our franchise families don't get the message and their odds of getting the message goes down everything you change the message i think this is hard and scarey and the process not perfect the reasoning is sound i think that we need to try things i think that and maybe you you

know clearly people disagree with me, i'm willing to try things without a massive process but stop things that are doing that don't work and i think we need a more nimble process if we're going to have a better assignment system in the end every year we come up with this we have all the information to print and deadlines the fact we have to worried about september in how we are going to message how students are going to be assigned to the following august is a big problem in the system i think we need to we need to try this i actually think we have been sort of we've been talking about this for the last month are two i feel like i i know in my

private conversations with the superintendent i especially with the sort of safety net of a century where we actually as part of the policy have to stop and look at this after 3 years you know to see if its work to see what the unintended consequences we're seeing that up front to families we're going to try this for 3 years we'll see what happens we have a new school that was previously one of the worse schools i've ever heard of and certainly ever seen i've mind this before i visited the old willie brown i was on

the school board that 0 allowed this school to be opened so, i mean p p.s. always said the reputation of a school is takes years for improvements in a school for the community to building those improvements its reputation persists years after the creation of the reputation we have a big issue to sewer mount in the bayview it is something real and manage that gets the 60 or 70 percent of the families in the 1424 to say oh, hell, no i'm not the go go to the schools i'm willing to try a gimmick because at the end of the day whether or not you get

our high school choice what's real are we're going to provide a good education or not we are let's get the kids in there that adds to a great education one of the things we've found diversity creating diversity conditions in school actually effected the quality of education if we have the percent of the schools that the african-american and latinos and other diversities we're going to get the same thing we need to do something bold and different there's safety here in the since we're not committing to do it forever that's my

peace. >> commissioner wynns and then dr. murase. >> a couple of things i like the idea i wouldn't call it a spill enrollment incite we should put in something we know i'm not against the feeder as we said we're prospering we're not proposing to break the feeder pattern this is a big discussion this it is big list we're going to have to explain this to people those elementary schools have other elementary schools they feed into and i want to point out something before he have an amendment on the floor and if 924124 is a higher priority than the brown preference and a dr. murase said i believe to be true we carefully looked at those