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transit the marshall school kids are walking there all the time and the neighbors don't want the noise from the condo garage door opening into the neighborhood on 1501, 15 street street we're worked with supervisor kim to keep it from going past the school it will be one set of trade offs and put the balance of the citywide burdens here when eastern neighborhoods came out we had no representation at the table for your you are 0 community the difference between the at&t towers and the treatment of staff vs. the absolute standards we need this
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commission to stand up for the community we didn't have the original approvals and ask for justice we need set backs and the parking move forward to south van ness and more affordable onsite thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening. i'm a small business owners in san francisco we work with the successors in pitting the northeast mission and a homeowner in the mission i come into to speak in support of this project this project for one is going to put me in a lot of vacant and the design will behalf that lot and also the studies they've done so far it will not cast a shadow on marshall nor create more traffic
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around the school and enrich the neighborhood thank you any public comment on that item? seeing no public comment are you part of the project team? okay >> good afternoon commissioners shawn regarding the location of the garage adere is a one way amending and no way impact the students going to school in the morning but the children go to and from will not be affected school gets anti two or three clock and folks get out of work 5 or 6 clock and it's a smart location the right location this project regarding our affordability crisis i don't care how i
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mile-an-hour that the ellis act but the percentage of people's income to allocate for people's housing john and i have spent an awesome a lot of time to try to find ways to use our resources better there was a study on a project on ocean avenue 5 hundred and 7 that thousand dollars per door of affordable housing units one hundred percent affordable there's no such thing as an affordable housing unit it is only foolishness affordable to the end yours we have to find was a to be more created and use our resources better something has to be done within the task force there's an idea similar to a discussion that occurred last week taking the existing square
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footage and reconfiguring it is there a better way to use that square footage if in the near future there's a willy the district supervisors the project sponsor is committed to a dialog it's not in the code it's not happening today but in the near future will remain part of that conversation. >> thank you >> next speaker. >> i live in the mission and own any own place we support this project and i'm excited about it i feel if this driveway was on van ness street i drive everyday to that area and feel
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like bicycle always crazy when they go in and out i think we have to look at the safety of everybody so i feel it's not a good idea to have it. >> thank you. next speaker. >> commissioner good afternoon john with the residential builds briefing touching open the eastern neighborhoods the 2008 we had 45 meetings and there were here and everybody wanted an opportunity to participate in the eastern neighborhoods got an opportunity to participate it is consistent with the eastern neighborhoods you've got another lot abandon your creating 72
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units of housing and 12 onsite below market rate and 60 entry-level units this project has been here 3 times and initiated since 2010 and there was remedial work kouk into 2012 it's time to approve the project and as the previous speaker said if there's a willingness to move forward with the square footage issue the pardon is open to that i ask you to approve the project today. >> thank you. >> sue hester i wasn't to speak until john spoke he's right there was hearing in 2008, i wish this commission would take recognize what was the economy
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like in 2008, what was the economy like to before the preceding 5 years with extensive public hearing it was in the trash can so the planning commission the planning department and the public was looking at a very different context context in housing prices you are today in 2014 open the vertigo of 2015 if you don't sxhft on having a hearing just talking about are the assumptions we're made in the mission plan valid today in housing countries and how much maurtd housing prices would be somewhat affordable compared to what it is now and it is all like we're hiding our head under a towel and not
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see how things have changed in the planning department insists what is happening in 2014 and 2015 would they have been the extensive hearing in the early 2000s on a admission i would be spriementd you can't say that with a straight face i'm sitting out here reading an analysis which prop m because i happened to be weird and the housing crisis and that's thing i was luke the medium housing prices for purchase was $400,000 a two-bedroom unit will be 14 hundred and 19 hundred to $40
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the unit pricing for housing in 2008, i happened to be reading that what are those united going to be sold for and the context of people that live in the mission in rent control housing so i'm asking you to basically be honest with user and the public what are the signages that drove the adaptation in 2008, and what are the conditions in the market today your displaying people massively and open your eye you'll know it thank you. >> (clapping) >> next speaker >> my name is edwin i've been a
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homeowner property owner for the past 27 years i've here to support it the reason i support this it is making the neighborhood better creating the past 20 years finally the mission is better and cleaner neighborhood for living and also i'm supportive of the project owner i'm surprised if they have it in 2008, they went bankruptcy and why housing is so expensive it took them 6 years to go on project it costs million dollar of interest that's why the housing price is high you're going to have to approve the
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project more housing and give them a higher level of housing then the house price becomes lower it's simple thank you. >> is there any additional public comment seen none, public comment is closed. commissioner antonini. >> you know i've said before this is a wonderful project and agree with the last speaker and something that improves the neighborhood i'll vote for i don't subscribe to this assumption you put something good in and it drives people away and thirty years of under this housing is one of the biggest reasons we have expensive housing and frankly 75 percent rent control units is fine but which one becomes available the price goes through the ceiling so those are the
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real factors involved this is a good plan what it sells for the what the market is what it is and the market is stronger rather than the housing going down in prices i like the speaker spoke factually about those projects you have a reduction in crime and vandalism and graffiti in the area that's a big part of what we're trying to do to improve the neighborhoods other things in particular are the things been said affordable on site and 16 percent is amenable to what one speaker said i suggest we suggest we the board of supervisors and mayors
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task force they explore the examining of the affordable unit by square footage rather than by number if that can be done and if it's agreeable to the sponsor to put in addition units to smaller units probably but more individuals units i'll see what the other commissioners said as it's written we have to abide by the affordability and the rates are clearly by percentage we have to pass we certainly can be amenable to something that might happen in the future that makes this project eligible so a few other things that's been said already they're to be emphatically $4.3 million an estimated minute dollars in
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transfer tax and one million dollars 90 in sales tax and image they're to go up they've spent a million in cleaning up the gas station and providing retail and less than the allowed park and starkers and only 48 onsite this is a i get to the point people talked about the importance which adere to give you an awe anyone else we have single-family homes on both sides we have 10 houses on both sides they each have a minimum of 10 cars we have 40 cars coming and out of the driveway for satisfactory reasons we're there from 5 to 7 it's less
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frequent when a car comes midday and week days and not that business i didn't on saturdays and sunday people don't come out of their driveways that often so that's around to 50 cars they're talking about 48 on site i semiemphasize with the patterns this is a minimal impact and as pointed out by the gentleman said they come in to they're coming back and not going to cross the school they have to go south van ness and when they arrive more than likely make the are the on adere it's a redirect street if i want to predict the children in the
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white zones change that to a one way the traffic only comes in one direction and people wanting to pickup their kids go to the white zone and others pass through those housing units on van ness is important they've made significant changes based on the commissioner comments and bringing down 10 feet lower than maybe a little bit lower than that and makes a better looking building and allows for more light so it's even more compliant that they've done that this is a large project authorization we're asked does this promote the health and safety and wolf of the city it
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clearly does i'm supportive of this project and i will see what the other commissioners have to say i'm prepared to make the motion. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much just a couple you have comments first, by thanking the staff for the map i've requested it is nice to say something that happens like magic the map actually really, really helps from all the different context talking about even having the law man's per apprehension on how the physical character changes and the circulation looks like and a mental picture in your head how many people are we talking about it really helps so i thank you and hope that wasn't too much work i like this
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conditional use authorization going forward looking at the map with the revised project i want to start with the parking garage i think up in the air whether or not it can be done my thoughts i think the original proposal is the best one i actually thought about this i happened to be on 16 and van ness meeting some friends i rode my bike on 16 toward mission bay i paused like 10 o'clock i paused at the site and said i don't think this is from a per that, of course, we're tracking the egress and in ingress not having cars there on the street and those are thing the ones that were made where the parking currently is work
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best and a comment and question specifically about the project and i agree with commissioner antonini on his suggestion of having the percentage defined that i square footage around unit i think that people there is market rate be needing less space and having 5 units is more affordable units so i don't agree that and another quick statement i'd like to see the public finance as part of looking at the development in the city i don't think those comments will be tied to specific projects i think that at the end of the box and box housing unit and how we pay for in terms of subsidizing the
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costs of the unit don't change is a policy decision separate so that's my thought and on the project itself i know there were changes the commission comments and going back to the community the last time we saw the project a month ago can the zoning administrator comment on whether or not those changes are or the staff comment on whether or not those changes effected the variances for the project and no richard with the department staff not changes in the project doesn't effect that any of the modifications they were already xooefd their space requirements and the same units that require an exposure modification so all the modifications are still part
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of the proposal. >> thank you. i want to echo some of the comments of commissioner johnson i think this is a great forum to talk about financing for avenue, i think that many people come to us with the frustrations on a case by case as he basis it's challenging to try to project what new policy will be when we're looking at the individual cases i'll not be supportive of changing the mix or calculation around the affordable there are discussions a task force about a dial many at the desks going on we should be the policy to a different forum on that issue but bring that here more generally commissioner richards i grew up in a planned area i understand the tenure and
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frustration about it taking a long time to get things done and asked the staff to put things on hold 2014 is different than 2008 and 9 i want to take ms. hester up on the relatives of the plan december 4th and commissioner president wu said it has to be a good forum it's sensitive to the historic rent zones next door i like to say the much better design i have a question for mr. sanchez okay we heard about the garage issue and somebody brought of fact if schools up in the early morning in your professional understanding this was not in our driveway comparison would the placement of the schools
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present a conflict with the schools and the traffic off the of the garage. >> typically being a housing unite u opted it falls into the 5 to 9 or 4 to 6 there's interaction in the morning but the 2 to 3 is outside of the 4 to 6 but they have a series of pedestrians and any car going on down there and cars are being forced to go one way and on van ness so there's no conflict incoming will go detain the corridor and not coincide with the peak of the school. >> that's more comfortable so thank you appreciate that
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commissioner antonini read through the criteria to approve or disapprove i'm sensitive to those avenues and at the of the affordable housing study gets reviewed we should include that information on the businesses and folks that is for another day we need an update i look to that and that conversation american people the percentage versus mix is another day it so pappas happens that the project captures that's great it is time to make this project forward i move to approve. >> commissioner hillis i'm supportive of the project i think the massing is nice it is great there's a lot going on the
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design so it's amenable i want folks the project team to work with staff and simplify is and have marrow a interaction but the fade it looks at great and eloquent but now there's 3 shades of red and black and set backs so if we make this nor elegant so that's what i want to say i would like you want to add that to the motion. >> yes. real quick the standards of approval we have a kind of conditional approval regarding final materials we have the ability to refine the
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project. >> so there's a lot more kind of the colors and awnings and things like that. >> yeah. >> i know what the commissioner is saying beyond the standard leaking the simplification of the form. >> thank you commissioner antonini. >> i would agree with those comments i think continue to work with staff by adding up the corn sisters if their stronger make the roof element nor definite and trying to find a rust color in keeping with the color of the red stone building next door but those are things that be easily be done by staff with the planning of the project and certainly any kind of simplification trying to emphasis our opinions. >> it's hard to fulfill
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appreciate what commissioner hillis is saying the charge has had and has to excruciates the large mass of so it appears not just relent leslie over size it has to distinguish itself that means i'm trying to help you and staff understand what our trying to do what you put next to that has a reciprocate a smaller appearance the facade moving before and after so sir, do you think what was said helps i to
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helps the architect you've spent quite a bit of time. >> this is helpful in moving the project forward and getting something more in line of what the commissioner supports. >> so we're still trying to uphold the objectives that the building has to have a variation facade still is a quiet building not necessarily scream for potential on its own but harmonious next to each other with the adjacent building. >> we should take this debate up the variation of facades it didn't work if you look at historically on the art buildings they don't have the facades even with housing projects i mean to take up now but we've seen projects that
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were by true mark a few weeks ago you didn't have the cut off facade it works better but it looks like we're trying to articulate the building and make that feel like it's not one big building and didn't work all the time but i hear our point. >> we might create vocabulary or things we agree on that's one way of framing the discussion. >> thanks. >> just to be clear about the condition of approval it focuses focuses on the refinancing the color after material pallet so it's the fade treatments correct. >> yep. >> yeah. >> commissioner we have a
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motion and a second if the maker of the motion is amenable and to the second thank you. >> commissioners on that motion or excuse me. there's a motion to approve this project with conditions as amended to include at project sponsor to work with the staff and on that motion. >> commissioner antonini commissioner johnck commissioner johnson commissioner moore commissioner richards is commissioner fong and commissioner president wu so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously 7 to zero. >> yeah, the commission will
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