some of the methodology but they did ask that question i don't recall what the sample size was but we have some of that data and i think one of the issues was ease of payment and so as mr. corn gold pointed out if people are using an an ap that issue becomes a non issue which the the board suggests maybe better promotion is part of the solution here but we'll look in our survey to see if there's more or better information we can get and why people are making the choices they are making. >> thank you. i'll take the opportunity to bang my drum again. i'm unclear i'm assuming that's a moving violation that would go on the driver's license but we do have

cameras on most of the buses so i think it's on the legislative agenda although it's a state matter to be able to ticket vehicles moving in a in a transit lane i think we can ticket vehicles moving in a transit lane correct. >> correct. >> so bus stops transit only lanes for fixed vehicles we can do otherwise we're relying on the police department to enforce the moving violations. >> that would be another great one to continue to pursue at the state level i agree i'm not sure how we would have the level of enforcement available to keep the vehicles from moving in those red lanes that's all i have directors anything else you would like to bring up director heinicke? >> thank you let me just start by complimenting the industry. it's not lost on us that this is a tough time for you all and and i think it's important to

say that. today you know, certainly more than we have in the past and maybe for the first time we as board members heard sobriety accept ance and even a little bit of optimism about the current situation it's good to hear that i think some of you said these tnc's are here to stay and there's sort of two fronts going on and you are pushed back against them and one is this effort towards regulatory alignment and that's going on and as mr. gruberg said a lot of that is out of our hands and a lot of it is competitive alignment and let me start with a mandate that all -- i didn't mean to force you to take responsibility for this i was one of the proponents i thought

that the private ap sector could fill the void and seems that they have come close and i'd like now to have a regulation coming from this board board to the industry soon before my kids dress up for for halloween if possible, that mandates that all cabs be ap enabled and on an ap that services a very large number i'll let the regulators pick the number, of cabs and basic follow up which should be fees should be feasible electronically that people are actually using them and not a phantom sign up and making sure all of our in coming drivers know how to use these aps and fully understand the benefit this will have for them. the ap will solve the credit card problem problem and not only

will that give our customers a better payment option which we know is what they want, as i've been saying for a long time it will enhance the safety of our drivers as this becomes a cash less business you will be less likely to be robbed or held up and that is a really really good thing and not only would an ap solve all these response problems and all that i should say the ap will solve the payment problems if people know about it there has been clever ads about fly wheel and this and that the second thing i would request -- this doesn't need to be a regulation or rule but i'd like a report back to this board if possible before the the end of the year on what our current advertising efforts and plans are and i'd urge that these advertising

efforts not just be focussed on letting folks know fly wheel curb exists but actually documenting how they are doing telling folks the response rate information we have from our partners in the industry and showing people how large the fleet is so that people realize there's a really large fleet there to leverage and i think we should commit m u.n. i resources to that whether that be bus signs or whatever available advertising resources we have this is part of our fleet and advertise it just like public safety and that sort of thing and finally i think we need to look at what regulations we can relax to allow that industry to compete better. for as long as i've been doing this, and i know exactly how long because i was at tapped for the taxi

commission the day after my son was born and he is now 8, i've been urging that we give the taxi companies flexibility in their pricing my idea 7 years ago was to dispatch premiums during peak times they could do voluntarily with their customers maybe that's the answer maybe it's not maybe it's one of many answers we have to make the pricing flexibility available to the companies particularly if we're going to do it on a voluntarily basis our residents should be able to pick pricing flexibility if that's what they want and if we approve them i think that that might be the best way to again allow our companies the flexibility to better serve our customers it's only going to work if the customers want it and right now

inhibiting competition and customer service and i'd like by the end of the year if possible i realize you have a lot on your plate a proposal at least in procedure how we'd entertain that we could then consider and grant so those are my three requests coming out of this. number 1, a rule on aps with a follow up on monitoring and training, 2, a report on how we're going to advertise not just for the sake of the taxi industry but for the sake of the of the people we serve if we let people know there's there's a service out there it will increase efficiency in the system and a procedure for improving pricing and other regulatory flexibility that the taxi companies want. >> i would agree thank you. >> director lee anything else?

>> clarification, i'm not familiar with fly wheel. they take the order at order put it on the person's credit card? what's the fee they charge? >> yes. >> do you feel qualified to answer that question considering you are not a fly wheel -- employee? >> i am sure i will be corrected if i get it wrong i have the support of the industry behind me i believe it's a dollar correct? >> a dollar for the customer. and your question was pertaining to the customer, right? >> yeah how about for the driver? >> for the driver i believe it's 10 percent of the trip. >> which includes credit card processing. >> what about the credit card units in the vehicles what's the rate charged on that? 3 and a half?

>> 3 and a half. >> 6 and a half percent charge. >> okay. >> does that answer your question. >> anything else. >> i one i wanted to clarify my comments i meant to say the status quo i meant was the way to calling in a cab or ride these days that's just the way i do it, that's what i meant to to convey so i apologize for not being more clear on that i really love the idea putting resources towards marketing fly wheel i'd love to wheel i'd love to see it on the side of a cab or buses but something saying you can find a cab on fly wheel and you can pay with your credit card for a lot of folks knowing that would really build a lot of faith and a lot more ridership which we all

want to see. >> i do want to caution -- obviously the majority of our taxis are on one service supporting that makes sense at the same time fly wheel is a private company and my point is that i think we should look at how we support the universe of aps to the extent they are that they exist as opposed to favoring one particular -- >> the majority of our cabs are on two aps so we should probably be promoting those 2 apps and if there's others coming into play promoting those as well. >> can . >> did you get the feedback you wanted any follow up questions you have for the board. >> we've given you a the a lot of feedback you are good to go. >> i think i'm clear.

>> thank you very much anything that you would like clarification on. >> no i'm very clear i took a lot of notes all the comments i appreciate it. >> thank you all for taking the time to come down we do appreciate it and hopefully continue to move forward and i'll echo what director heinicke said i think there's optimism and when we do work together we can to a certain extent not beat them at their own game but become competitive with these ap based services and i believe -- >> you have item 13 approve the agreement with security for a total contract amount for a term ending march 21st st 2015 and prevailing wages for the and

issue a request of proposal for security services no members of the public have expressed an interest in addressing you on this matter. >> is everybody -- >> i told you so [laughter]. >> the whole thing is mad ening . >> i think clearly director heinicke gave the other contract or cold feet [laughter] . >> putting it back to me huh. >> the the short story is that following our recommendation of award, the contractor flew up here last week and told us that they were no longer interested and wanted to withdraw so it is mad ening and it's it's to

give us time to do a competitive process and also considering asking the board of supervisors to give us the ability to add some requirements into our rfp that currently aren't allowed by law related to prevailing wages and transition issues which were some some of the issues we saw come up in this i'm not sure whether we're going to to do that or not and then of course authorizing me to go ahead and issue that rfp last time we did an violation an invitation for bids and this time i think we felt in in hindsight probably better to do with an rfp and hopefully getting to a better result so with your approval of

this going to the board of supervisors introduced today actually at the board of supervisors and hopefully able to get to the budget and finance committee by next wednesday so we don't need to have a gap in service and come back to you sometime early 2015 with a a recommendation for a new contractor. >> is it our understanding that u.s. security or whatever its subsidiary realized they couldn't make it work with the numbers with the collective bargaining agreement . >> we were hearing different things from the time we were here 2 weeks ago up until last wednesday when they told us they were withdrawing i don't want to speculate i think my understanding is they had a leadership change in their

company company from the time of when they submitted the bid versus when it was time to close the deal i don't know if that had something to do with it suffice to say that you know, we weren't in a position to try to try to force them to do business with us for whatever reasons. >> public comment. >> there is no public comment. >> motion to approve? all in favor? aye. >> ayes have it and madam chair that concludes the business before you the meeting is adjourned thank you all very much. >>

>> hello, i'm holly knox with commissioner honda along with the legacy of women voters of san francisco i'm here to talk about measure a on tuesday november 4th pursue measure a is an ordinance that is will allow the city to borrow up to 5 hundred thousand discolors for bonds this decide that use this for the improvements identified by the transportation at the desk the city could use the funds for construct transit only lanes and separated like ways

and assessable platforms and escalators that are and muni and install pedestrian count down signals and audio central nervous system and bulb outs raise crosswalks medium island and bike parking and upgrade muni any proposal will be subject to the review by the mayor and board measure a will allow the property tax to are increases and landowner to pass up to 50 percent to the tenants measure a will will require the citizens advisory committee to review the spending of bond fund tenth of one percent will pay for the oversight functions if you vote yes. i want the city to issue $500 million in general

obligation bonds on infrastructure projects designed to prove metropolitan accessibility and prove the position of streets and make that safer important bicyclists asia pedestrians if you vote no, you don't want the city to order the bonds i'm here with steering wheel and proponent of measure a we're also joined by just quentin the chair of the transportation under 98 to 98 and the member of board of supervisors 80 from 1986 a property thank you he'll start with opening comments ms. brinkman the bond is boo about the sufficiency and efficiency and safety you have our streets if you use the streets in san francisco by private automobile

or bus why business bike you care about this bond measure passing it will help all to move better and get rid of congestion it has not passed a bond measure in over 60 years you you'll of the work done to packing pass the bond measures give us the system people will say night not good in order to continue to improve this system we're going to have the make the investment now and not only for the generations to come. >> thank you just coping our opening remarks measure a is as simple as abc so that at this point the abc a stands 0 for a blank check they

don't thrill this is a general obligation bond a boring of money a half a billion dollars repayable over thirty years at interest which will be over one million dollars one hundred million it contains no denied specific projects it is written in glittering gentle itself and allows spending on anything mentioned or perhaps unmentioned in the measure the it isn't probably going to pass because it takes a 2/3rd's approval and i doubt san franciscans wanted to approve a billion dollars in debt. >> thank you ms. bringing brinkman which

changes one of the changes similar to the project people who ride the six and the 5 l seen changes it will increase sufficiency and we're carrying more people on the bus line little 14 mission bus is something this bond money will be spent on saved accident 14 bus about 4 or 5 minutes so passengers on that ride are having a softer ride we're going to see see severe streets people riding open bikes and walking on foot we're going to see the busses able to move faster to allow to carry more people as if we've added for business they'll be able to pick up more people

so we're going to see a lot of positive changes. >> just cop. >> well, i can't put a finger on any one of those on page 199 of the proposition is states specific that this doesn't note quote involve any contempt implicitly commitment to specific projects to be constructed with bond that precedes and use that to say therefore it didn't need an environmental impact reporter it includes money phenomenon the caltrain system you you know what that is 88 percent of rider are from woodside arthur ton palo alto and potrero hill and san mateo and santa clara valleys not san franciscans they could take this money and spend

as much as they want for people in the suburbia's that are not 2k3w50b8g9d to pay it back it's probably illegal under the called government code and uses the word money maybe spent not shall and didn't define even what the money maybe spent on. >> how will the use of those funds impact levels finds traffic congestion. >> they're to impact them positive less traffic congestion meantime people choose to take a 0 bike instead of a car it is positive in order for people to lease it leave their automobile at home we have to make at that safe and sufficient so some of the projects we've increased the ridership and i on business

lines people are switching modes and car driving in san francisco is a declining mode share meantime we make it easier not to drive again, it is a win for all of us. it helps with air pollution and helps with children's activity levels having the streets safe so kids what walk and bike and parents are comfortable walking their kids to school we're going to see positive results from this as we approve transit only lines on market street the buses move more quickly in the transit again, that's a win for tens of thousand of ryder's. >> just cop. >> again another wish list which nauflz every ballot

measure and tells what's in it any proposed use of the bond bonds it subject to review you can't even building this document because the man in the board of supervisors if it ever passed could change those gentle lettuce every general obligation bond we have voted on in san francisco the earthquake save bond a couple of years ago in 2011, the school bonds defined and identified the schools that the money would be spent on when we established bart in the 62 a seven hundred and 92 general obligation bond for bart when we approved the high speed rail

authority ♪ 2008 this is a conglomeration of words they're to put money into mta's pocket to spend as we want to spend just like they're doing with the central subway from that an estimate in on a 3 of $6000 million plus to 12 plus >> we'll take final remarks. >> this is boring of a giantic performers which will effect no time property owners in measure a is a specific provision that allows a psycho of our renters to 50 percent of the one billion dollars one million dollars over a cost of thirty years don't let them fool you, you offering we won't sell off a bond is isn't

in measure a they'll say well, it's policy if its policy why did the controller go to all of the specific details to tell voters how much this is going to cost them so if you're a entertainment don't think you're getting a free ride you're not florida passes it should be rejected and no on measure a and get specific projects. >> thank you final remarks and yes. i want to remind everybody this about say future of the san francisco about investing in future transportation for our citizens the bond oversight committee do their why in san francisco it states the prashs are not going to be going up because sf general hospital all of those bonds have the same

type of oversight i landmark to the citizens of san francisco show they have the commitment for the future of the city we need to change our transportation with the city. >> thank you both for your time and comments we hope this discussion has on informative for more information on this, please visit the san francisco website at sf election.org remember earlier voting available ton city hall from 8 to 5 and vote at the city hall two weekend before if not be sure to vote i'm nicole and lindsey, i

like the fresh air. when we sign up, it's always so gratifying. we want to be here. so i'm very excite ied to be here today. >> your volunteerism is appreciated most definitely. >> last year we were able to do 6,000 hours volunteering. without that we can't survive. volunteering is really important because we can't do this. it's important to understand and a concept of

learning how to take care of this park. we have almost a 160 acres in the district 10 area. >> it's fun to come out here. >> we have a park. it's better to take some of the stuff off the fences so people can look at the park. >> the street, every time, our friends. >> i think everybody should give back. we are very fortunate. we are successful with the company and it's time to give back. it's a great place for us. the weather is nice. no rain.