they've lived there she's gotten value at a reduced price this is happening, sir all over the city. >> i'm talking about all over the city how many landlords do you have died. >> sir, sir this is where i'll ask the city attorney we'll take dr and take the permit can he have it legalized and take the dr and demolish the entire structure i can't give them that. >> take dr and deny. >> take dr. >> commissioner president wu kate from the city attorney's office there are a couple of options here i'm going to try to lay out and planning staff may

have something to offer the commission can't take dr and approve the project or not take dr and approve that the commission couldn't force the owner or the trustee to affirmatively apply for another permit to legalize the unit what will happen is the building permit is ultimately appeal able to the board of appeals there's not an you outstanding notice of violation on the project that this owner has come in voluntarily to try to legalize or try to get rid of the illegal unit but this commission does have the ability in disapproving the permit under section 207.3

so and as you noted this commission doesn't have authority over what happens to the tenant that is a separate matter for the rent board to you to continue it and take dr and disapprove or approve with conditions of some sort. >> can we approve the entire structure. >> no. we're moving an illegal unit be let's get rid of it we can't do that. >> you're being subconscious. >> i recommend we take dr and not approve it. >> commissioner johnson. >> thank you very much there's lots of again to clarify the issues i definitely agree with not approving the building

permit we can't force the legalize we can't force them to sell it i want to focus why i'm going to support denying the project first of all, itself think it's absurd the project sponsors has brought up things that has nothing to do with to do with the tenant where they're a litigious or the person who owned the property was two nice that has nothing to do with why we're here i understand that the trustee needs to sell the building as part of you know his obligations to get vail and thees state it is not necessarily our purview

to help you maximize that value you have the property as it exists sell it to someone that will definitely buy it and leave it that's not within our purview when we look at the building permit as a project we don't care i'm sure you'll be able to sell to somebody look at the building paratransit there are no outstanding violations on the existing unit it's been there for decades it sounds like it's been elevated as two separate unions one legal and not not for that reason i don't see a particular reason to support the demolishing of a non-conforming structure turn it into a residential unit not a

conforming structure with noted outstanding structures again, i totally understand the trustees position the hearings are in upper your schard that this obligation but not our job to get involved as a trustee and not get involved if any sort of rent board or tenant lymph gland. >> commissioner antonini. >> i'm concerned the dr requester didn't show up which is kind of odd i'll favor a continuance because i be i'd like to at least see if we can get the dr requester to come here and perhaps the project

sponsors could try to work further with the dr requester to see if there's a way to resolve her retainedcy situation and see if we want to leave the kitchen in it or not and it becomes a simpler thing i'll make a motion i'll see if i get a second. >> i wasn't aware it was continued i'm going to probably support the motion the dr requester didn't come and i wonder how mafltd she is. >> let me just comment so this is an unusual one i'm sympathetic you're trying to live out the wishes but the dr requester is not here we have no

idea of their complaint and maybe a legitimate reason they're not here so i'll support a continuance i understand that commissioner richards position on this i like our energy on it i'd rather take that energy and fight when a bigger issue and maybe a project will come up i'm a little bit torn there is so many unusual pieces i'm not sure we have make a full judgment so in localizing that that i'll support of the continuance. >> second. >> second. >> in regards to my continuance i'd like to see what presentation she had from the previous owner was she begin i want you to answer because you

didn't before i want to know was she told it was an illegal unit or her situation that has a lot of bearing how i'll vote was she told this was illegal and they were letting her stay there perhaps i don't feel so strong about protecting her presence there that's the motion to continue i think we have a month but - anyway you'll want a date and i'm sorry for me i don't believe i'll support a continuance it doesn't change the physical land use question about commissioner johnson said we think that one illegal unit should be removed or not removed did 0 dr

requester may have contacts. >> commissioner richards. >> did the tenants residency would the dr still be in effective if she moves. >> i'll support a continuance. >> commissioners, we have a motion and a second to continue 24 for one month to december 4th. >> commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson no commissioner richards no commissioner fong no arrest commissioner president wu. >> that fails there is, however, a motion to take dr and disapprove the building permit application on that motion because there wasn't an action memo with finding for disapproval the city attorney

strongly recommends we reiterate those findings so if commissioner johnson could you reiterate the reason why you want to take dr that will assist me in creating finding. >> sure i am supporting taking dr and disapproving the building permit because the illegal dwelling has no what do you call actions items gentiles it notice of violation against it it does constitute a third dwelling illegal to it might be i see no reason to discontinue it i don't believe it impacts

the ability of the trustee to sell the property or make any other land use decisions at this time. >> yes. i believe i was able to grasp what commissioner richards in the case of preserving affordable housing and if any other commissioners want to add a findings of their own. >> i believe it is the mayors derivative to preserve units. >> ma'am, city attorney is that good? all right. so bear with me just a moment so i can - and so on the motion then to take dr and disapprove the building

predicament application it preserves the affordable housing and the illegal unit is without a complaint and violation the illegal unit does not prohibit the trust to sell the building it is kept with the mayors divisive >> so sell the property or take any other land use decisions if you want to do that. >> so noted. >> i never know. >> on that motion commissioner antonini commissioner hillis commissioner johnson commissioner richards commissioner fong no commissioner president wu so moved, commissioners, that motion passes that planning commission motion passes 5 to one with commissioner fong

voting against expirations that places you on general public comment i have no speaker cards is there any general public comment? >> you may. >> when we were planning after all there were 8 houses we live in two house near the area all the houses are the same it has a living room and diagram not a bedroom and the reason i know hal la i handled her real estate and she's had the back unit where it says all utilities will be paid by her, she knew you it was adjacent to her unit before all of this started we actually called liz to the

planning department i have a voice recording that told us what to do we went into down to the planning department they said we need the report fixed the inspector looked at the property and investigated if better than to get the building cards from 891 to 1950 it states it's an adjunct space the tenant was aware when we approached her in january and told her hal lazy wishes we'll oh, her relocation fees he her response it's expensive to move that's not going to be enough when you our talking about a tenant that be take advantage of a very kind

woman who gave her housing i know you're talking about someone that housing i believe that holding it up and not letting it sell for a higher value i don't know what the people are going to do i know this is stressful on us where the city directed us to do that and the staff gave us a advise was all directed and in the notes there were give it to you this tenants makes well over $80,000 that wants to get money from a dead woman is wrong having to allow her to continue to live there and take up that space and not go through the

process that everybody else is gone through to make halos wishes it really, really wrong i'm a native which the san francisco when you talk about diversity i don't know how other than the native-american and other people that understand this she is adamant to get money from a dead woman it's wrong thank you for listening to me. >> thank you yes. >> i urge you in the spirit of our decision but it is not what i intended this is the property is going to displace her and all we're going to do is transferring the zoning and selling it at a lower price by

reducing the value of the property your reducing the tax basis of city that's pga our salary you're only displacing - i said in the spirit of keeping affordable housing that's really not what is going to happen because the structure of the property and whoever buys this is going to displace her anyways, the person that should get the value is thees state of hoa la and thank you. >> okay additional. seeing none, public comment is closed meeting adjourned

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>> good morning and welcome to the san francisco budget and finance committee meeting for wednesday, october, 22, 2014, my name is mark farrell and i will be chairing this committee and i will be joined by supervisor john avalos and eric mar, and i want to thank the members of the sfgtv covering this meeting as well as the clerk of the committee, and do we have any announcements? >> yes, please silence all cell phones and electronic devices and completed speaker cards and copies of the documents to be part of the file should be submitted.