>> (laughter) >> just to clarify our motion you just heard the jeopardy council is if we poison it you're considering what we're considering tonight in you choose to postpone it to change that's a suspension of the rule that votes instead of 4 do you understand that. >> i want to care it with the suspension of rules. >> okay. again. >> so that requires 5 votes. >> okay commissioners are we ready to rotate or there other comments or things to confuse us. >> dr. murase you look kind of concerned. >> i'm not comfortable with the suspension of the rules we have a clear process for our charter approvals and other progresses that have run smoothly i feel

like if this is a big enough seems like a kiddie chapter is different from a k 5 charter. >> so actually, you, vote no; is that correct we're ready for a vote. >> with that said, i need to pit this two the minutes so is commissioner haney postponing action on this resolution 1491 s that one november at that time that will be brought back that recollection correction. >> with corrections. >> with corrections? >> with amendments. >> it will be brought back to the board of education with amendments. >> yes. >> okay. >> but that's - >> is that okay.

>> yeah. >> so ms. costco we're reverend ready for the vote. >> mr. chin no arrest mr. haney. >> ms. maufass ms. mendoza-mcdonnell dr. murase nay. >> ms. norton arrest no ms. wynns no arrest president fewer no. >> that fails thank you very much now commissioners any comments or from the superintendent about the petition before us? k through 12 petition new school thanks. >> yes. commissioner norton. >> i want to say i'm not going to be supportive there are great ideas and passion but good ideas and enthusiasm are not enough

for prelims i share the commissioners ability to get their projects from the stage to reality between those are the petitioners have less than 5 years of teaching i'm troubled by the offer confident of the gesture and selling this is a well-thought-out position and seeing off in terms of we'll make it a k 5 in the next few weeks in the first pages they've logged it 57 times how can you cut this off i'm disableus of the petitioners understanding of the intact i have no confidence we've not had a positive confidence most recently with the parents concerns from the

patterns that didn't want their kids co-locked with the leadership not a shed of evidence for the equally equality of the model i want to point out one model on the passengers is that are more focused on the partnership and the relationship in our packet this evening they've included a letter from a parent this letter constraints personal details about any child but because it says nice things it was appropriate to include it was not i urge any colleagues to vote no, it is the paeshgsz lack experience i'm suspicious. >> okay commissioner wynns would you like to follow that. >> no, but thank you okay. so you i can start by

saying the skepticism i find it disturbing people think they're our partners in supporting the partnership so when we give contracts with our close partners and is i know that would be great and seem to be no understanding at all and deallowed about increasing the number of charts in san francisco the person that came up and said i went to this high school and i like the public utilities system and granting this chapter will hurt the school system i found it myself disturbing to read in the petition the focus on vision

2025, in fact, the letter we got said we're going to help you fulfill vision 2025 by having more schools this board of education has not verified and we've worked out for over a year that says in order to meet the vision we should increase the number of schools within san francisco to compete with the publicly managed schools that follow the policies and try to implement that vision so i find that kind of presumesus to presume that you know that's what we meant and you can take over our vision and say this is what i need to do to achieve the vision that's not what we had in mind at all i heard the charter association talk about england in close relationship on the presumption

it's the charter school that gets to decide who our partners are in advancing the goals and achieving what this board sets as the goals to achieve it was said this will insure this school contributed to the enhancement of public utilities in san francisco even though we know from our experience of 22 years from the charter schools the opposite is true i believe there is this actually what this makes we realize in the development of if chapter we have to do a much better job of talking to our parents and school administrator and our community partners when the real impact of charter schools on the public utilities system and we don't have to say which i don't say even though allison park

hive skeptical of this not seeing the drama improvements nor anyone else but i don't go around saying there's nothing good about them it's terrible and something evil about those who propose this it is not that at all there is this alternate realty this sort of oh, they're really public utilities students and echo that defines schools and interesting enough the chapter association has begun to court to assert legally that charter schools are not public utilities yet define them as public utilities i find absolutely bizarre and just we have - so i think this chapter in particular says we have a responsibility to percipient and tell the truth about the impact

of the schools i know there are people that have good experiences and appreciate that there are people with good experiences if privately fund and government schools as well as you publicly privately manages and governed schools but not public utilities we have here this kind of ab ration where the petitioners here have used language to actually put out the idea they're the keepers of our vision and i think we all of us should be careful and think seriously because if we want to accomplish as much of the enormously enormous vision the last thing we should do it is we can't do it await private people to limited experience,

etc. to do it for us and show us the way thank you. >> thank you commissioner wynns the superintendent has something to say. >> thank you president fewer i completely respect the commissioners where they're coming from out of fairness to the petitioners i want to be clear publicly as a superintendent there are a number of community individuals that request to meet with me on a regular basis the petitioners have met i say to partners two seminal documents our impact where they impact lives and vision 2025 if you if not to impact lives and vision 2025 i had that conversations with the

passengers i want to be fair, any alignment to vision 2025 at my assistance the same as anyone i've met with wanting to collaborative or meet with the district i wanted to be fair by again, i respect where the board is coming from i want to be clear. >> thank you superintendent commissioner mendoza. >> thank you so i guess i have a different prospective on this first of all, i want to precious the committee i know if our committee if we go through a much for detailed report and thinking b around that and having said in some of the conversations there are certainly some concerns that were brought up but this is one is a trick for me because there are many supporters with that are part of the new schools i

have a tremendous amount of respect for and go to them and ask what do you think is this something we should consider when i see christine a or eric before us have been partners with us in a variety of things it holds a lot of wealthy and the engagement of the contingent is also when your coming in with something you have a great vision and idea about you're trying to show it to the community and you get community response like you have i think that two holds quite a little bit of weight and i think that you also have expressed a desire 0 work with the school district as aableer in partnership this

is admirable your coming in we've had chapters will have come in and said that's okay. we're going to go through the exercise but you guys are trying to make an effort to understand the vision and goals of the district and want to incredulous what we believe into our school so as i was reading to the petition i saw a lot of who we are and want to be going forward there are a lot of things moving quickly as a district we have a hard time moving things quickly we have a lot of heart and passion and ideas and but we're running an desire school district not only a school so what is challenging i see, you know, a lot of the movement that charter can do we can't frustrates me because there are

many things i see in our petition i appreciate and support and like that i want our kids to have been an opportunity to be part of it is a lot of what we want to be offering to our kids in vision 2025 and in particular what stood out was the global community having raised a child that spent a lot of time thinking global who traveled and now lives in spain and comes back home and has a completely different view of life there's a true correction around what we offer and the experiences we give to our kids so there's a lot of there's energy around that and the other thing i think that was really helpful for me to kind of see the direction you want to go is who you're looking to partner with and 3 in particular, the

last school at ucla i've done research on it for folks that have been part of that the exploratorium is one of my great partners in a place we wholeheartedly send our children to an our regular was not any children but in the school district and another school that is an interesting model and the idea that all of those districts are mentoring you as you build out your capacity is critical so much of your goals and purpose in my mind is aligned to the vision in our school districts i have so big concerns about capacity in our district and the growth of our city and the option that our families have i'm like commissioner wynns view

our charter schools are our public utilities we're very, very selective about our charter schools we're a sdrekt that's not approved the new up and coming chapter is schools we're one of the districts we talk about not taking over we don't want to be a charter school district we charter great schools year after year but i feel recycle there are options that we can support and options that we want to be part of and i guess maybe i shouldn't be saying the way i want to be part of that's how i view new schools yes. there's questions and challenges and i actually would support new school if we were looking at it as a k 5 and

because it's being put in front of of us as a k 12 that as pa district sets precedent is a expression of a new opportunity and i wish that it would have come to us a a k 5 i think many of us would have given different consideration and going to do a charter process is bumper to bumper but that's not why i want you to do a longer k through 12 because of the process but stevedore having this opportunity to see your school bloom as a k 5 would have been a much better option for me so i wish we could have be able to support commissioner haneys proposal i would have like to see this proposed as a k 5

unfortunately, it's an opportunity we're missing and as a district that want to be more innovative to provide great experiences for our kids i unfortunately think it's a missed opportunity thank you for your hard work i talk about that oftentimes as being courageous and i think this is what you've done and thank you for that. >> commissioner racing i didn't. >> i want to thank mr. chapman and you'll see supporters that come out i'll not be supporting this i'll explain why my priorities is the success of existing schools and in my view a charter school to fill a gap i

have a supported for example, the charter schools or 5 key schools in our jails clear up our district is not meeting the niece of folks in jail another example the life learning academy open treasure island development authority board to address some of our kids that have been most directed if our system and who find a really welcoming home in that charter school and i just don't see the same level of meeting the gap of laying out a program we're not already doing in our existing schools a speaker talked computers we have one at glal lae low and marsha new gaming academy kids learn how to make games and a maker lab thanks to

the mayor who worked with commissioner mendoza and the sales force we've embraced the practices and building our schools are putting equality into action and my final concern about our educators we've heard loudly and clearly from our united creators that are union members that fight for living wages and benefits we're in the middle of tough negotiation but i believe in the value of our union workforce and typically we have a higher burn you out rates a level of commitment to the workforce as reflected in our union partners so i'll not be supporting the charter tonight. >> thank you commissioner haney. >> yeah. i lastly want to thank the co-off and on of the school

and for everyone that come out to tonight to speak in favor i like what commissioner mendoza had a difficult times with this there is a lot in here that's tremendous and exciting and folks said exactly the direction we want to go as a district and reflects the vision 2025 and appreciate that you really stuck to that and thought about where we are going and how you can partner with us and all of that i want to commend you and thank you for that i think there's a couple of things i struggle with around it you know one and this was mention as well i know a lot of this sounds amazing and there's so much in here imagining the ability to be successful here in this inspection is hard to do

particularly with you put on top of it is truly offering something different or planning in our schools it you know and i think those two things in light of the fact this is a model that is somewhat new our you all you haven't run a school with that that model and folks mentioned enumeration folks that have been at the principle level that are closely involved it is a bit of a jump for us as we do your due diligence on the decision that was a challenge to get past that and i struggled with that i think that you know, i also want to commend you for reaching out to the community if doing in a short amount of time i was doing breakfast with someone who

was from magic that said i took some of the students to a program and she said she give me of the toughest students but the extraordinarily well in the program i'd like to see more of an opportunity for the model to be deemed in that way my minority response to that i wish they were starting a summer program or after-school program we could pardon with in that way i struggled it with a lot of reasons that were discussed around being a charter school and the responsibility of your school being skeptical successful and the impact on our schools and what we're doing all of that to say as i made the motion i want to hear it as a k

5 it is much more of a k 5 proposal for the reasons that commissioner mendoza i think i'm not going to be able to support it as a k 12 and not be supporting it i commend you and thank you for your effort i don't think this is the last we'll see of you in whatever capacity and hope we continue to collaborate in whatever capacity we can i know from spending time with you and getting to know the commitment to the community and wish you the best of luck. >> in comments so to the petitioners i want to say thank you for a well-thought-out petition except for the 512 thing and you've

been responsive everything i didn't see in the petition and for the listening audience i didn't see anything about the proposal and didn't see i wanted more information about the led and the issues and felt that was a low measure of achievement for students and didn't see a measure where it was comparing really english learnings with english only students around xhuchlt i feel we'll also have a gap and in the many meetings just everything ami i've asked you for you've been quick to respond with the precise answers i think the one thing we're grasping with the the ability to present a stable k c 12

curriculum and our school is designed for k through 12 penal dynamic a fan of a k 12 model in vision 2025 we're creating citizens that are confident enough to go out into the world when you go from an emergency room to a middle school in our district you go from a smaller you know cancel school to a larger school and once you've done that user you have this confidence to go on to high school that is larger and sometimes there are 2 thousand students and have that under our belt and ucla with 50 thousand people and, hold our own like any children go to erecting beyond the scope and china because you have in our confidence you've been in. >> variety with a variety of people if different cultures.

>> you see everyone as a peer and feel confident you can conquer that word that's the scene of vision 2025 so not a k through 12 fan but also want to say i'm a fan of a lot of the things you put into our petition and he think that it is difficult for us to translation from a k through 12 but to renew when we looked at renewals we're looking to renew the same so kip middle school we're not looking to renew something new we haven't seen this is the stretch i'd like to say i thought that

would be changing for you to meet a population that is reflective of our own conversation but i had a deep discussion with you all right what we have before us is a really exciting petition what our schools could be like but also i've told you very transparently i feel a huge responsibility for our children we have to have a extraordinarily and k through 12 i just don't see it where our petitions supports that we give your sale of approval we're telling all the students and school age children that this is a school that we put our sale of approval on we say that it will be successful and i can't is that k through 12 i really can't

i don't know if i verify if you would like to submit again, this process is really daunting and i think with those comments ms. costco we're ready for a roll call vote. >> mr. haney no improving ms. maufas no arrest ms. mendoza-mcdonnell no president fewer arrest nay ms. norton. >> no ms. wynns. >> no oar president fewer no that is the petition is denied. >> thank you very much so, now we're on to our second oh, yes - you president fewer. >> the board has just the voted no to deny the petition. >> that requires a finding of the fact as to the reasons therefore i've given president fewer the statutory language that findings, in fact, go i ask

she read it and we have boards consensus that is, in fact, finding. >> general council the petitioners are demonstrative unlikely to successfully implement the program successful in the petition by agreement thank you now we're on to the next item and thank you for waiting san francisco flex amendment this is petition 449 s p one authorization to grants or deny the renewal for flex academy charter school it was moved e moved and seconded. >> may i have a report from the budget committee. >> yes. >> a report from the budget committee