we see cars at the sidewalk u crosswalk and they're tired and impatient so their constantly moving every inch i've seen criminalists and kids you maneuvering their way to get out of the ways of cars it is scary for me as well i had two or three questions i wanted to ask to get comments and this was specific to sfmta either to peter or aaron i guess now we've compiled the data and the effectiveness of having a pco enforcement either the hand signaling what's the next steps for sfmta to make the pilot permanent? or - poor cameron whoever wants

to come up i think our residents wants to know this work is great we're excited about the pilot we want to see that permanent and the next steps >> peter albert from the mta i work with aaron there were recommendations that came out of the pilot but i want to go back to the assessment a lot of what liz has shown it is one piece of the puzzle but they all interlock when we look at the recommendation of making it a permanent project how do we take that point and look at the future those waves of development and the abstraction multiple modal incentives i have a lot of confidence if we talked

about the 3 workers the transportations demand management is brown where you make headway we work with carlly right now trying to codify regular transportation management measures that help people understand what is laws are and the benefits of using easiest modes and behaving in a civil way i will refer to cameron but i want to make a plug for transportation demand management we reach to the giants and the warriors if they have fans coming into the area that's a great opportunity to pitch education and awareness. >> mr. albert i don't want to take away from the larger network don't block the

intersection it is only one thing that's education we i support of the longer study and support the commemorating management pricing and in the downtown area and i'd love to do work with the major employers to pilot that but in the meantime i don't want to have no more work but while we continue to do all the another amazing work to make selma flow better. >> hi again, i want to start with my presentation is additionally provide 6 pcos up to 6 pcos going to first identifying which locates and

agreeing to which locations we want to tackle first, i building that education again, the 3 workers we've talked about that i want to start with education some outreach to make sure that everybody understands what the rules are and after that do another assessment with engineering to make sure that we have the proper signage, striping whatever it takes and then bring on the enforcement i'm proposing we do that on december 1st especially okay. we'll start off again with the intersections we've identified and gun to make different sweeps of different intersection whether it's two pcos at an intersection or 3 intersections doing various active enforcement that includes citation issuance

yeah. >> supervisor cohen. >> i have a quick question i take a 6 pcos and cover the south of market that leaves a funnel someplace else. >> true we're also struggling to prioritize pcos staff and during those times i've looked at those and done an exhaust look at what i'll be taking away sort of taking it back a step we're actually going through a step from an jill audit for the pco beats and staffing and rather than saying i need more pcos i the want to say i want to utilize them whether street cleaning or driveway claiming and or double parking and and double parking

and just to go on that point i actually created a saturation team oh, about 6 months now we've done pretty good in areas but what takes away is something else is a shuttle program i think that we are going to and will continue will have a better assessment of what our resources are our resources needs and how we allocate them among the various details. >> supervisor kim. >> thank you i know this is an impression that many residents have but it seems like sfmta doesn't have trouble citing parking tickets in the city and it's hard for a lot of the residents to accept

the fact this is a real capacity issue investigating the pcos giving out ticket in the south of market area we immediately get a parking tickets the moments our meters go out but have the responsiveness around the issue and pcos will be more importantly giving out those tickets that being said i want to see that december is not too late how to do more education

and . >> signage of stickers or subsidy enforcement changed a lot of enforcement we often don't do things in a orderly fashion. >> i have one more question and then one last question for mta you had mentioned that the counterpart stilt u shuttle took away the - the one there's per stop was going to fulfill cover the costs so we shouldn't be using the pcos it should be funded on its own. >> i did not let me correct that we're not pulling those

people away it is fully funded through the process it takes a lot of time to do any of those types it changes what we do and adds for resources 0 or to a daily we explicit anticipate so to shift the existing one we did the 10 pcos to do the detail they're only doing that daily the a.m. and p.m. peak so it splits their time and only to fill in the afternoon it is on this that filling in the afternoon that leaves a gap we have to fill if everything was equal across the board you, you know meter time it would be easier to move people around but when we start splitting things up it adds holes in our ability to manager the people that's all

i meant to say. >> i have one final question not sure to you cameron or another member of sfmta i have been talking to edward reiskin to augment the work that the pcos do for tickets for people that run red lights it makes sense that the same cameras can catch people that are 0 blocking boxes stuck in the intersection be able to photograph their license plate and send them a tinting to augment the limited human resources we have in the agencies i know we made a request to attorney general go harris i was wondering where we're at i know when we hope to get a message back but where

we're at i will give you the best an answer eave not been involved in the work kate has been watching over that all we know at this point, we're waiting for a decision from the attorney general and if the decision comes in favor of the inform being able to allow don't block the box enforcement or red light enforcement we'll get the red light cameras but if it is not in favor we'll have to initiate another process i don't know what that is. >> i appreciate the answer i appreciate we're successful i believe that supervisor wiener worked on this prohibiting the right turn on octavia we were able to get emily harris to look at that i encourage you to write her office to make sure we get

it competed. >> that will help us too. >> thank you. >> great supervisor kim and thank you for calling for this hearing i'm really glad to hear a pro-active approach moving forward and i'll say that in terms of double parking and the saturation we'll be recohen that hearing early in the next year so we will compare assaults from what we received a year ago for the progress so i'll await that data and also want to reiterate what supervisor kim said about comparing to damn having going through it as we did for many different areas housing and traffic and other areas we

thought it can't possibly get worse like in 1999, or 2000 in terms of evicts and pedestrian and low and behold this is not like a pet stop doouchl whatever happens are the the ups and downs economy we're on a different trajectory in san francisco as are a lot of cities in terms of everyone understanding the city is an amazing place in san francisco first and foremost so we're going to continue to grow by another one hundred and 50 thousand people between now and 200 and 40 and now is the time whether improving muni or getting our heads around this kind of improvement for traffic management we need to be making those decisions and implementing those fixed now and the gridlock

we see south of market and south of market is definitely the most extreme in so many ways i look forward to try to slow down the traffic it is going to spread in supervisor cohen's district tens of thousands of units coming online like 07 thousand more units and stuff happening south of market and in the planning commission mission we're growing in the transportation system all the kinds of enforcement techniques have to do that this is a can do type of city if no additional comments. >> i forgot to thank our residents with our city agrees and sfmta and ta for your work i look forward to marking this a permanent program and thank you

to the gentleman in sacramento who wrote a letter to our deputy attorney general to make it quickly to allowing san francisco to not block the box we'll share the lowers so thank you committee and thank you to everyone that's been involved. >> thank you, supervisor kim would you like to file this hearing or continue it to the to the call of the chair. >> supervisor kim has made a motions to file item number 2 madam clerk, any other business before this committee? >> there's no further business. >> then we're adjourned

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this meeting of the historic preservation commission to order. . >> welcome to the san francisco histosfoerk preservation commission meeting to order. i would like to remind members of the audience the xwhition does not tolerate any disruption of any kind. please silence any mobile dwietions that might sound during the meeting. please speak before the commission. i'd like to take roll. commission hasz, here. commission johnck, here. commissioner john, here. and commissioner matsuda. here. members of the public may address the commission on items of interest that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission except for agenda items. with respect to agenda items your opportunity

to speak will be afforded when the agenda is reached. i have no speaker cards. >> thank you, come to the podium please. >> good afternoon, commissioners, the ruth goldberg building, she is on her way but i think we might miss our opportunity so i went ahead and jumped up. we want to thank you for being placed on the nofr 19 agenda, we are moving forward, we're excited about our report and the progress in trying to preserve our building. thank you so much and we'll see you on the 19th. >> any other member of the public wish to speak on an item not on our agenda? seeing none we will close public comment. >> commissioners, that will place you under department matters. item 1, department report. >> tim fry, department staff. the director's report was included in your packets. happy to answer any questions you may have about the report.

>> seeing no questions, we will move on. >> item 2, review of past events at the planning commission, staff report and announcements. >> commissioners, again tim fry, department staff. nothing to report from previous planning commission hearings, just wanted to reiterate something from your advance calendar. we did move the goldberg building from this hearing to your next hearing given the amount of time we had in reviewing the draft designation report from the consultant we needed another week to complete our review, which is why that was bumped. just wanted to let you know. but certainly available to answer any questions should you have them. >> thank you. seeing no questions or comments, move on. >> commissioners, that will place you under commission matters, item 3, president's

report. >> no official report or announcements. >> item 4, consideration of draft minutes for october 15th, 2014. >> commissioners, any corrections, alterations? seeing none, we will open up public comment on this. any member of the public wish to comment on the draft meeting minutes? seeing none, we will bring it back to the commission. >> i move to approve. >> second. >> thank you. >> on that motion to adopt the minutes from october 14th, commissioner hyland, yes. commissioner johnck, yes. commissioner matsuda, yes. commissioner wolfram, yes. that passes unanimously 7-0 and places you on item 5, commission comments and questions. >> commissioners, any questions or comments? or disclosures? seeing none we will move on. >> moving right along, commissioners. that will place us under your consent calendar. all matters

constitute the consent calendar and are considered routine by the historic preservation commission and may be acted upon by a single roll call vote. there will be no separate discussion unless a member requests in which case it will be removed. i have 1 dr item under consent, no. 6 at 3224521st street, request for certificate of appropriateness, i have no speaker cards. >> thank you, commissioners, would any of you like to pull this off consent? seeing none, open up to the public. any member member of the public wish to pull this off consent? seeing none, bring it back to the commission. >> i move to adopt the consent klepb ker. >> commissioner hyland, yes. commissioner johnck, commissioner. commissioner matsuda, yes. commissioner wolfram, yes. and commission

president hasz, yes. that passes unanimously 7-0 and places you under your regular calendar, item 7, the 5m project draft environmental impact report. please note that this public hearing is intended to assist the commission in its preparation of comments on the draft eir comments made by members of the public at this hearing will not be considered comments on the draft eir and may not be responded to in the final eir the planning commission will hold a public hearing to receive comments on the draft eir on november 20, 2014. written comments on the draft eir will be accepted at the planning department until 5:00 pm on november 21, 2014. >> commissioner hyland is voting we recuse him. >> i make a motion to recuse commissioner hyland. >> on that motion to recuse commissioner hyland, commissioner hyland, yes.

commissioner johnck, yes. commissionment hasz. >> for the record his firm worked on this project. thank you. >> good afternoon, commissioners, my name is michael jacinto, project staff and coordinator for the 5m project. the item before you is preview of the draft eir project. briefly, this project is demolition and construction on a roughly 5 acre site. the project would result in retention and rehabilitation of the dempster building. the project would result in demolition of six existing buildings on the site which include 910 howard, 912 howard, 924 howard street as well as 190 fifth and once the site is cleared the project would involve implementation of one

of two schemes studied in the eir, either an office scheme (inaudible) the eir found through evaluation that the 430natoma building would be eligible for inclusion on the histostoerx register. the no project alternative code compliant cull attorney tif, unified zoning alternative and in this case the preservation alternative. commission members were transmitted draft copies at the beginning of the review period which will end on december 1st. we are here to provide an opportunity for the commission to receive public testimony and discuss historic resource issues pertaining to this project. staff is not here to answer comments or questions today. comments will be responded to in writing in the

comments and spoopbses document which we will respond to all verbal and written comments received and make revisions to the draft eir as appropriate. that concludes my presentation and i am available for questions if you have any questions. once again, as the commission secretary said, the planning commission is having a hearing on the draft eir november 20th and so for members of the public who would like to make testimony on that eir may comment in person at the planning commission on november 20th. thank you. >> commissioner wolfram. >> i had a question about in the -- it wasn't included in the preservation alternative, but there was a discussion about the is it the cannoline building, the potential of building it which would then move the impact to less than significant, but is one of the criteria for moving it, one of the criteria was that it had to be moved off the 5m site and no

site was found to be suitable off the site. why was that a criteria? did you consider moving it within the 5m site? >> this is something we can respond to in writing in the comments and responses document and i believe what you are ruefr *r referring to is the alternatives considered but rejected section. we will provide some more detail in response to your question in the cr >> anything else? >> i have a lot of comments but i can wait until later. >> okay, commissioner johns. >> has there been a presentation of this item to the commission before i arrived? there hasn't? i guess i'm surprised about that and was expecting that today, that there would be a presentation in order to, that we can look at the environmental document in context and particularly environmental documents, while absolutely critical to the understanding of the project,

they can be kind of mechanical and kind of functional and what you miss is an overall vision for what we're trying to achieve here. because this is a huge change in the city, it's very exciting but let's say i was expecting a presentation. and the other question i have, at some point i think it would be important to have one, however we can work that. the other question, i was a little confused about the establishment, the description of our jurisdiction in the environmental report. both on page s15 and then on 72 it says, well, we have to, the jurisdiction of our commission is over any demolition and a permit to alter but it was just describing maybe one or two of the buildings. frankly, i saw our jurisdiction sort of spread all over the