and things like that we're about to head up but certainly a true definition of retail workers and people shopping for kids how do you think about that and balancing that right there. >> i know that for apartment workers many of them that we've informed our legislation from say that sometimes employers will offer hours to temp workers that's the consideration in our definition of fair neutrons for apartment workers not just any job in jobs are different from apartment workers that's the hours with the same qualifications with the same type of job i think the office of lash enforcement will have to look at it but that's my understanding the employer could offer that to

a different working but the same qualifications and experience levels that apartment worker should have the right to those hours not a temp worker or someone to create nor apartment workers when many of the apartments workers need those hours to pay and support their family. >> i totally appreciate that again, i question around a full-time person does that go to permeate people that's not the staffing model what with it looks like this is my question. >> and then we're not talking about small businesses but large clangz like the one in candle stick point and in the mall or the gap or different types of employers that can give more

hours to part time workers. >> so. >> few other things contractors of formula retail folks so the macy's hires a janitorial staff that's not a formula retail organization is that the question for the da or whether it applies to the smaller entity because it applies to the major retailer. >> it is going to apply to custodial theirs part of the janitorial entity and like those folks the custodial workers need rights and this provides that level of security four many of the hard working custodians. >> so the custodian team

they're there. >> i did want to clarify that the requirements for let's see for property service contractors perform security are in the chiu and the mar so it's consistent as well. >> okay and just out of curiosity i understand that maybe this was a committee last weekend that kind of the waving for alcoholic bargaining was taken out i understand that exists in other ordinances just terms of policy prospective on having that out to understand - and so we wanted to legislation to be as board and covered as possible taking that waiver out for collective bargaining agreement was

important and covering hass as many as possible and local 2 brought up the small number of employees in the hotel who are employees of the hotel not for example, soft story building that is in the hilton that's one of the important ones that as people testify i'll be working closely with the coalitions and the city attorney to craft something that is clear legislation. >> i think that makes sense what you were talking about i had a few other questions and appreciate our indulge of my ramming up literally open the topic here in the legislation and i know supervisor avalos has other questions. >> i will make two motions first is to remove the

addressing the 2 hundred employee or they recalled for worker retention provisions in the mar, carmen chu or supervisor campos legislation that's one motion. >> sorry clarify added in. >> that was added in on wednesday and my motion is to remove that second is supervisor avalos at wednesday meeting moved to change the 20 employee or more threshold the definition of employer in into owners to one so it went from 20 to one from my understanding and my motion is to add that 20 employee or more threshold back in and the rational for me it will help some of the smaller franchises and there's data that i know

marsha restraining order hospital from supervisor chiu's office or working to show there's a relatively small number of employees that is impacted and along with president chiu harding this back in to 20 is a critical part especially for those types of small franchises that are being sensitive to our legislation. >> actually, i, second the first amendment i really don't understand the rational for going back up to the threshold of 20 anyhow mecca that work we want to be able to establish retention policies and predictable scheduling in small businesses through this

legislation. >> formula retail i don't see the size of the business it should matter when overriding policy is to build retention policies for scheduling why shouldn't he apply to those businesses because their smaller seems like the workers will have the same need of predictability if we're creating a position where the scheduling is enhancing the employment capacity of the store or the franchise it is a policy we want to create we want to create better jobs we're doing that it is two-fold i'm not clear why we want to weaken the legislation. >> if i could through the chair respond. >> i'll just say i won't speak for president chiu but a difference of employees with h

and m or jay crew that can transfer employees across different stores from downtown to the san francisco westerfield center but when it's a franchise like a mcdonald or k f c that hazard employees for that franchise it's a different story they can't have the employees coming from the other franchise it's a small number and makes sense given the smaller picture of moving forward with the legislation that flexibility for those types of franchises. >> okay supervisor you have two motions and the third around the six months effective date i'm in agreement from a number of speakers from the public six months effective date but not on the six months ramp up that's a

discussion based on decide from the office of economic workforce development and on that was the original lead in the legislation to me it makes sense to extend that to six months but not nor the ramp up to eliminate the six months ramp up period. >> so to be clear six months ramp up now a 9 - >> mr. iga in her. >> john gibner, deputy city attorney so going into the last wednesday the ordinance had a months paragraph active day not going into effect until months later an amendment made on wednesday extend it back to 6 months the entire amendment not

practitioner all until the six months period supervisor mar wants to keep that an additional contemplate once the ordinance becomes app operative the vice president can't issue penalties and supervisor mar is proposing today to eliminate the second six months. >> okay. i appreciate that. >> so supervisor mar a total of 3 amendments. >> okay supervisor avalos what would be your presence to do roll diddling. >> yeah. >> i don't want to support the 20 they recalled. >> okay. so colleagues from my prospective just as we've talked about this ordinance i'm getting up to speed in committee i know it's a committee report to be

heard tomorrow i would say i'll be confront into this discussions as i've talked with people i; right have no doubt there's been a lot of feedback and the final strokes you have merit to continue to work on that from a labor side and american people employer side but i understand the desire to move that forward and this makes sense as well so i'm happy from my perspective i'll be supporting outline your amendments but i don't know about the items for tomorrow i'm happy to support a no recommendation coming out of committee and do it with recommendation i'll reserve my ability to vote yes or no madam clerk can we do a roll call vote

on supervisor mar's legislation individually. >> motion one by supervisor mar supervisor mar so this is a motion to remove adding the 2 had had they recalled for worker retention provisions in the supervisor mar supervisor campos ordinance and on that motion. >> supervisor mar supervisor avalos supervisor farrell there 3 i's. >> okay motion passes. >> and motion number 2 is to change the 20 employee or the one employee or more up to or more as a threshold in 9 definition the employer in both ordinances my motion to change that back to 20 the original. >> on that motion. >> supervisor mar supervisor avalos no supervisor farrell 2 i's one no.

>> that motion passes and my last motion the third one to change the operative date from months to have months which is what we did but to remove the 6 month ramp up period that goes after the operative dated for both ordinances. >> on that motion supervisor mar supervisor avalos supervisor farrell there are 3 i's and that motion passes par so supervisor mar those items again your call or supervisor avalos with recommendation or without. >> i support the underlying ordinances and will follow supervisor mar's lead on that so i'd like prefer to send it out with recommendation with a vote and thank my colleagues and the city attorney's office for

all the work and i know there will be further decision to with a positive recommendation as a committee reporter for the board meeting tomorrow november 18, 2014, okay. we have a motion that i supervisor mar roll call vote. >> supervisor mar supervisor avalos supervisor farrell no there are 2 i's one no. >> okay items pass. >> they can colleagues madam clerk, any other business before this committee? >> no, mr. chair. >> thanks everyone we're adjourned

leaders. >> hi everyone i'm patrick the director of earthquake safety forever for the stoifbl and we have the ryan white fair to teach people about the made sure soft story ordinance and connect them with the services they need you can save thousands of lives and if those buildings are rooiftd people will be allowed to sleep in their own beds while

the city is recovering. >> we're here at the earthquake ryan white center for people to comply with the ryan white or do a ryan white on their property to connect with the resources they need. i came here wondering what to do as a owner of an apartment building moderate to comply with the must rules that went into effect last year >> we don't want to go to 10 different events people said so we advise people of the event.

so we try to be incentive not everyone is going to be able to come 0 so this fans the afternoon and the einstein >> i've decided to be here it's amazing to see all those people's here it's critical to be prepared and to recover from disasters as finishing as possible. >> i've been to a lot of shows and this one was a trufk turnout a. >> since the structure the building represents the super structure the lower part of this particle on the buildings on the corner they shack quite a bit. >> so for the floors above as shaking that top floor is fog

go-go have no more mass and we saw in 1984 more structure destruction where we're ryan white this by adding a steel frame typically you want to brass in both directions and see how strong the building is. >> we've adapted a thirty year implementation program i worry about that was a retrofit requirement this is what we do to mitigate the shom and have's evacuation for the people and our partners. i had questions about what kind of professionals are involved in this i want to start to put together a team of people to help me get through this.

i'm a structural engineer and i'm thrilled at the quality of the contractors and engineers >> we've taken one civic awesome and put all the vendors in one place. >> you have financing and engineers and contractor and they come here and every we're rebuilding are that the office of the city of administer and the depth thought i environment and other partners. >> all those things one little piece of a resilient piece of - >> and i felt more positive about things i thought about how to pay for this. >> we didn't want to have one

financing option it didn't work. >> we found information about financing they are different options for different types property owners. >> we've seen them offering financially and a pool of styles for a complicated way of saying they'll be able to pay back their loans over the next two years. >> we have 3 options and secondly, to get a loan for the ryan white and the third becoming in the past program participants in that. it is encouraged along coastal easier where we have set time like sand and a high water table

to a cause the sand to shake i'm going to get this visitation on the same bridge you'll see the water come to the surface this knocks the foundation over and pushes out the ruptured pipeline >> it is intimidating i'm talking to people as a layman who needs help. >> this is a difficult process for people to navigate we're only focused on outreach so we've got the informational and we've spoken to many different owner groups and community groups all across the city. >> outreach is critical for the

retrofitting program the city has to get out to the community and help people said what they have to do and do it and raise finances so this program is an advocate and resource for the community. >> so why not skip to the theme. foremost and most to come we've been presenting community meetings and going face to face with community owners and helping people understand what to do >> you may be wanting to know about the sf green but this will allow you to have is a loan for the property so if you have the property the loan will be summoned by the new owner and

this is pay back for your property taxes and the low rates this is a fantastic option. >> i'm in favor of the program obviously we're going to have a earthquake this is from an investment stewardship. >> after a few minutes with folks even if you don't agree you understand the concept. >> we've talked about being able to do this now we're going to be forced to do this it's a good thing but to pay for it. >> it's not only protecting their property but every dollar is for mitigation it truly is protecting our investment overall the city. >> it's the right thing to do. you can look at the soft story

building and theirs like the buildings that collapsed in the earthquake and your shufrtdz to see this >> people are getting caught to get this done and if people can find a place in our homes of shelter it will keep people in their homes. >> together we'll work out of getting out of 0 disaster and making the community bringing back to what we love. >> as a level of folks we've talked about we make recommendations to make everyone mitigated their soft story problems no other jurisdiction has tried to tackle this

ordinance and we're set to have our program complete by 20/20. >> the quality of the people are here because of the leadership. >> it's a great conversation statewide how to do this and i can only stress this enough if we didn't have the community of the san franciscans that are concerned people, you know, talking about our financing is options and our engineering requirement if you altercated all our work it's consensus driven to provide options we don't have one path but one relative for people to get there. >> it's been an excellent consumption of the services i think i'm going to need if i go think i'm going to need if i go through this yeah, i'm very

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>> good morning. welcome to the land use committee i'm scott wiener the chairman of the committee to my left is malia cohen or committee vice chair supervisor kim will be joining us shortly our clerk is andrea ashbury and i want to thank sfgovtv for broadcasting today's hearing specifically jonathan please turn off all electronic device