the 1800s i think that's what my history lesson tells me i have a hard time reconciling this against public policy from the dna i know the dr recommend take drs for code compliant projects it goes against the policy i'm reading in the housing element and you know the neighborhood the average unit t is 15 hundred square feet my house is 13 hundred plus i refinance here we have knocking down an affordable house from $1.5 million we've cabin over this ground and building two very, very large luxury units 2 thousand of

hundred and 2 thousand 6 hundred at 12 hud's hundreds a square feet and 2.8 open is conservative size it's a speculative project you're going to be to be where little cable cars climb halfway to the stars affordable housing and someone said we're destroying the fabric of the neighborhood this project did not go on the street mr. aluminum a lot of our clients are mowing into this big house. >> yeah. please. >> the condition of the house is in very, very poor shape they actually have two children and 15 hundred square feet house the way it's configured it's a

disconnected home it's not a historic resource it's in bad shape we didn't approach this to be considered as a would you say a derelict property. >> they think it's 4 units to keep it within the neighborhood. >> if zoning loud it they would go for a 3 unit building they, however, this is zoned for american people rh2 district so they can't do that. >> what do other commissioners think i have heart burn on this way one. >> commissioner antonini. >> i think the issue of the number of floors is not coincidental because what matters is the height tests been represented this the 34 point one inches is that the correct

type of that structure and does that include it's a stair penthouse on the top is it true. >> yeah. it appears the building measures 34 feet on the mropt. >> that includes the structure on the top. >> the stair penthouse is above that. >> awning you would be close to the 40 foot limit. >> yeah. the stair penthouse is exempt. >> is there a roof-deck or what's the purpose. >> there is a roof-deck it's a set back. >> that would be a possible change i might entertain the idea of building two large structures there are a lot of people with two or three children and having three or four bedrooms or 4 bedrooms i

think that bedroom and 3 and a half bath is fills a lot of needs it would be the same as. >> single-family home but you've got two of them that moinz makes up he i'm not you need that additional deck open the very top it might please turn off all electronic devices. please the neighborhoods but stavpd out in the neighborhood fib you kept it to 34 feet and it's zoned for 34 feet it might be a better project it's sdoentd rh2 as presented i think the sale price was $1.5 million or $1.35 million it is not two year 0 away from mother considered affordable. >> 1.56 so something like that

it's anyway not going to accepting sell for less so it's approaching what we not deemed affordable housing by mia any stretch of the imagination i'll be supportive of the project but i would be without the deck and the stair penthouse on the top commissioner moore. >> i'd like to take a slithering different take because i this my responsibility it to look at the project that are comparable with the neighborhood we are in rh2 zoning we've not ask do architect and owner as to whether they have considered adding to the existing building and dealing indeed with the neighborhood grain and altitude with an look at how the building

vocabulary which is in keeping with the neighborhood mr. alumni will i answer that have i looked at an expansion to meet the families needs and no in order to build the two unit and sit within not having to demolish the knowledge it is impossible but the time it is set to expand in the front on the side and bank and above it will be a de facto demo. >> i appreciate that the next step if by the move forward to replace it that building is indeed more in keeping with the overall situation of the neighborhood this building looks like too much like many of the

speculative look alike building we paragraph it in a less sensitive neighborhood i believe that woody allen is where i want to downsize this building one is slithering larger and more sensitive to 3 stories rather than 4 stories to massing that is underway very extensively a building to its max the buildings are older in massing that are indeed remnant of two forms sent of whatever the matter it this building is it is what it is it t so if we're entertaining to approving two units i'll ask the architect takes a different approach with some guidance to perhaps a unit mix of a slightly

larger family unit and one which is marginal that deals with more variety in massing and site and overall massing expressions completely eliminating 9 idea of thinking about urging the roof of the fourth floor to come up with some that is indeed for compatible with a small-scale neighborhood that's my idea for sending this project back and asking it to be spent more time on the neighborhood concerns that were well expressed and sensitive but this building is not approval without taxiing dr i courage the architect this this commission is open to the two unit building in an each other unit neighborhood but be

more creative. >> commissioner richards. >> the question how the process will work in designing the building. >> you take dr and you could certainly take dr and direct staff to work with the architect or you could provide the architect with the recommendations and disconnections you provided and continue the matter and have it turned. >> i think that's a good idea i'll make a motion to do that take dr and to continue it with the direction. >> continue the matter until it comes back. >> take dr. >> not to take dr but to continue it. >> work with some of the challenges that was expressed by the other commissions and two commissioners could meet and be perpetrate with staff starts to have communications that's

happened before. >> do i hear a second. >> i second it. >> thank you commissioner johnson and. >> support a continues i like the idea from going from one unit to two there's another issues i'll lay them out here quickly and the continuance this will be fast or faster so i echo many of the commissioner moore's comments buyout relation of the current building to the streetscape and the surrounding property but i won't repeat those but i will just ask a question of the project sponsor and make one other point the first one is about the parking the counter property has no parking a think about the street parking you can

park. >> i'm sorry. >> it's an easy park street. >> okay. i'll still ask my question though right now there's a no off-street parking to put the driveway as populated you need to keep away a parking stott spot did you consider a project with no parking? >> sir, you need to come up to the microphone. >> you're required to have a parking space per unit. >> we can condition it. >> i just asked the question so okay. >> great. >> just the public hearing closed i'm not sure. >> we're in the midst of

commissioner comments. >> we've not closed the public hearing and the public hamburger period is closed. >> you're answering because unifying your representing the project sponsor. >> okay, i will just is this is a my one question misunderstood and my one i definitely like going from one unit to two i have no particular anonymity towards two or three it would be nice to say units in the mix of the units that are there when you look at the design of the building and have it better respond to the neighborhood the unit size will not necessarily restrictism i have no comments on the current design i think the unit size will be more

responsive to the neighborhood so thank you. >> commissioner hillis. >> so, i mean i can support a continuance we need direction we're hearing things from the neighborhoods my kids go to ma kindle some people want to keep the building as is i'll support a more dense development and walk done straight street it's very dark there are single-family homes but directly across the street the rear building and on to straight street there are more 1930s bulky buildings i'll categories this as architecture not small cottages this doesn't realize to

the extraordinary circumstances i can see the impact somewhat smaller building adjacent to it it seems like the massing works better with the building on the audio again we've seen this before and depraved them if you want to continue i know the goal it work with some of the neighbors that are adjacent that's the impacts to the neighbors increase going to be impacts you're going from a small single-family home to ta a large-scale it's not inconsistent with what's said i'll vote for a continuance this doesn't rise to extraordinary circumstances that's my point. >> i can also support of the

continuance i think that for me especially the roof-deck seems extra i do like the idea of going to two units but more moves to toward two modest units or something else in that direction i agree with commissioner hillis we have approved projects kind of like this on google mass it looks at like on state street i think there can be more designed refinement. >> councilmember sharp. >> yeah. i'll express my interest in perhaps of removing the deck on the top and the stair we'll drop it down to 34 feet fits in better with the height of the structures there are a number of floors incessant

incessantly so long as their is light and air where the buildings can be brought in slithering i know you've matched the light wells to be respectful but whatever you can minimize the impacts with the neighbors that's fine the larger square footage doesn't bother me tests okay. it have larger bedrooms and baths it's if it's a little bit a larger than the square foot square footage but to try to work with the neighbors and with staff to try to make the facade soft fit in with the traditionally homes along the street and give it the feeling of a sort of a rustic sort of street those are the things i

want to see. >> sxhefks. >> i think translating with commissioner president wu said was modest medians shorter and smaller those are like track homes in tracey they don't belong in our neighborhood there so monstrous on steerldz i live in the neighborhood they're two big you can do it, it's a code compliant it's 756 i've been here 8 hours. >> commissioner moore. >> the only comment the same factor of oversized buildings in a neighborhood where they don't belong and no one can spend

speculative development of we only build for ourselves and time to build speculative the offer riding exception i want this commission to community and still expect people to build in context that's understanding the scale, etc., etc. that's really important so this is i think the message i want to leave the architect and hope he can come back with the holidays i don't want to say vegetation but creative serious challenges so we can be proud of what you're delivering and commissioner a motion and second not a date. >> i would look towards. >> and would think it takes 8 weeks. >> i know i'd like to have

input from the project sponsor to see how long a revision like this about approximately take please. >> it looks like there's a possibility of january a 8 are the 15 or anywhere out from there. >> that's correct. >> okay. >> does the department have enough time we're a week from thanksgiving four more weeks. >> compared to what we've continued. >> a complete redesign. >> i'm getting a sense the commission is kind of sorry. >> it's between you and the architect if the architect feels tests not coming together you can communicate with each other and we'll schedule the date. >> i was go back to say we can

continue it to the 8th and if staff doesn't feel it's ready continue it out further. >> commissioners there's a motion and second to continue to january 8th commissioner antonini commissioner hillis sxhobs commissioner moore commissioner richards commissioner fong commissioner president wu so moved, commissioners, that passes 7 to zero and place ion general public comment i have no speaker cards. >> any general public comment seeing none, general public comment is closed. - >> i just want to say thank you all of you good evening. >> any additional general public comment seeing none, general public comment is closed.

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>> we came to seven straight about 10 years ago. -- 7th street about 10 years

ago. the environment is huge. it is stronger than willpower. surrounding yourself with artists, being in a culture where artists are driving, and where a huge amount of them is a healthy environment. >> you are making it safer. push, push. that is better. when i start thinking, i see it actually -- sometimes, i do not see it, but when i do, it is usually from the inside out. it is like watching something being spawned. you go in, and you begin to work, excavate, play with the dancers, and then things began to emerge. you may have a plan that this is

what i want to create. here are the ideas i want to play with, but then, you go into the room, and there maybe some fertile ideas that are becoming manifest that are more interesting than the idea you had initially set out to plan. so there has to be this openness for spontaneity. also, a sense that regardless of the deadline, that you have tons of time so the you can keep your creativity alive and not cut it off and just go into old habits. it is a lot like listening. really listening to watch what is going to emerge. i like this thing where you put your foot on his back. let's keep it. were your mind is is how you build your life. if you put it in steel or in failure, it works. that works. it is a commitment.

for most artists, it is a vacation and a life that they have committed themselves to. there is this notion that artists continue to do their work because of some kind of the external financial support. if that was taken away, artists would still do their art. it is not like there is a prerequisite for these things to happen or i will not do it. how could that be? it is the relationship that you have committed to. it is the vocation. no matter how difficult it gets, you are going to need to produce your art. whether it is a large scale or very small scale. the need to create is going to happen, and you are going to have to fulfill it because that is your life.

>> commissioner? >> >> okay. this is a meeting with the recreation and parks. please call the roll. >> commissioner low, commissioner bonilla,